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3 DONG HORSE posted:When can the Gavin Newsom era start??? He's not popular in California but nobody is fixing California and he can lay waste to people in debates. He's probably our next president to be honest edit: I know a lot less about politics than you all just thinking out loud
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kiimo posted:He's not popular in California but nobody is fixing California and he can lay waste to people in debates. He's probably our next president to be honest I don't like him one bit but honestly I kinda enjoy how divisive he is.
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kiimo posted:edit: I know a lot less about politics than you all just thinking out loud Everything I know about politics comes from Newsmax as my mom watches it religiously, and the lol@trump thread in GBS. All I really know is Socialism Is Good (personal experience via the US military), Trump is bad, and everything on Newsmax is true if you look at it as if it's Opposite Day.
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Freaquency posted:These people don’t just spring from the loving ether, you have to actually have quality candidates at local and state levels to have a chance in hell of getting what you want. Lot of good it’ll do to support local candidates (which I do anyway) when the democrat overloads decide to roll with Biden anyway because “it’s just a speech impediment!” Edit Neil Armbong posted:I think the DNC not actively working against progressives would be a start. They can't weed out good candidates that are a scooch further left than they'd like to uplift empty suits like mayor pete and gavin loving newsom. The national and state parties are 100% responsible for their bench lacking quality candidates. This nailed it, imo Amy Pole Her fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Jan 26, 2024 |
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Amy Pole Her posted:Lot of good it’ll do to support local candidates (which I do anyway) when the democrat overloads decide to roll with Biden anyway because “it’s just a speech impediment!” I agreed with you until you edited this to be snarkier, and the speech impediment thing is a dumb and lazy response to things that are a reasonable concern so I’ll own that. I’m not happy that he’s the candidate either. I’m also bringing feelings I have about other online spaces that seem to treat his less-than-stellar health with a sort of sick glee, so I’m overreacting when it’s brought up here.
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American politics are largely incomprehensible to me but I have to admit I find Trump amusing and don't think it matters who runs poo poo, the lizard people will always be in control.
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Freaquency posted:I agreed with you until you edited this to be snarkier, and the speech impediment thing is a dumb and lazy response to things that are a reasonable concern so I’ll own that. I’m not happy that he’s the candidate either. I’m also bringing feelings I have about other online spaces that seem to treat his less-than-stellar health with a sort of sick glee, so I’m overreacting when it’s brought up here. I’m not taking any glee in it—I’m laughing so I don’t cry at how these geriatric fucks are going to drag us all into the grave with them because they refuse to give up their insider trading gigs.
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The official Joe Biden campaign web page literally doesn't have an "issues" page. Like, it contains zero reasons to vote for him, not even some boiler plate about reproductive rights or bragging about the infrastructure bill or protecting social security and health care. I think the top people in the Democratic party care far more about maintaining control over the Democratic party than they do about winning elections. I also think Gaza is going to massively drive down voter participation among young people, the left wing of the party, and Arab and Persian voters (who have been pretty solidly democrat since around 2004), it's on the news every single day and on the front page of every national paper, so you don't have to be internet brained to feel incredibly strongly about it. Like none of them will vote for Trump because they know he won't be any better, but they won't vote for Biden.
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LeeMajors posted:I’m not taking any glee in it—I’m laughing so I don’t cry at how these geriatric fucks are going to drag us all into the grave with them because they refuse to give up their insider trading gigs. No, no one here is doing that and I reacted poorly. I’ve wound up with a few too many of the sort of people in my feeds that think the only way we can fix the mess we’re in is by burning it all down and hoping this one is the revolution that sticks, and since I’m out there trying to fix things the old-fashioned way that obviously strikes me as somewhat wrongheaded. I’m also deeply frustrated because our “liberaltarian” governor keeps doing big brain dipshit stuff, one of the progressives we had on city council got booted because she was more concerned with her brand than with actually doing anything, and the rad as hell organizer we got into the state legislature is more into throwing bombs than playing politics so she got kicked off of her committee. We also elected the spiritual embodiment of white bread as mayor instead of the progressive Latina that wanted to get poo poo done so I’m at a bit of nadir, politically speaking. e: Air Skwirl posted:The official Joe Biden campaign web page literally doesn't have an "issues" page. Like, it contains zero reasons to vote for him, not even some boiler plate about reproductive rights or bragging about the infrastructure bill or protecting social security and health care. I think the top people in the Democratic party care far more about maintaining control over the Democratic party than they do about winning elections. I also think Gaza is going to massively drive down voter participation among young people, the left wing of the party, and Arab and Persian voters (who have been pretty solidly democrat since around 2004), it's on the news every single day and on the front page of every national paper, so you don't have to be internet brained to feel incredibly strongly about it. Like none of them will vote for Trump because they know he won't be any better, but they won't vote for Biden. Yeah there are a lot of liberals out there doing the whole “oh you don’t want to vote for Biden? Well good luck in the camps!” thing and they’re loving just as bad as the ones I complained about above. They are trying to coast on the not-Trump candidate message and it’s going to bite them if they don’t get their heads out of their asses. Freaquency fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Jan 26, 2024 |
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Freaquency posted:I agreed with you until you edited this to be snarkier, and the speech impediment thing is a dumb and lazy response to things that are a reasonable concern so I’ll own that. I’m not happy that he’s the candidate either. I’m also bringing feelings I have about other online spaces that seem to treat his less-than-stellar health with a sort of sick glee, so I’m overreacting when it’s brought up here. Okay that’s more fair. I’ve just run into too many “actually Biden and Kamala are two of the best leaders we’ve EVER had” rhetoric and I got trigger happy. Me scuzi
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I am finally watching Fast X. I really appreciate that in an entire franchise of Big Dudes the guy who plays Reacher still manages to be a Big Dude.
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No one’s really happy about Biden vs Trump 2, but unless one or both of them dies before November, that’s who our two choices are. It sucks, but that’s the system we have, not the system we want.
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Silly Burrito posted:No one’s really happy about Biden vs Trump 2, but unless one or both of them dies before November, that’s who our two choices are. It sucks, but that’s the system we have, not the system we want. What’s most frustrating is that democrats had a chance to energize young people and immigrants and promptly looked in the mirror and asked how they could get more racist. Now there’s no clear path to reproductive freedom, reasonable healthcare, affordable higher ed, or really any path for young folks to enjoy home ownership or even reasonable rent and Dems just continue to gaslight them about the Most Progressive President In History* But you’re right. It’s all we have. I just won’t blame young folks or immigrants for not turning out because Biden has given them literally zero reason to vote for him. Kids are still in cages. Roe is still repealed. Student loan repayments are back in progress. Inflation is out of control on transportation and shelter and food. And if I’m wrong and Trump loses to shuffling corpse twice, it’ll be intensely loving funny. *to the right of LBJ
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A second trump presidency validates openly attempting a coup, and could be the last time we elect anyone for anything. I'm sufficiently convinced that that's a nonzero risk with Trump (like, maybe not a "high likelihood" but I actually think it's on the table, if you'd asked me six years ago I'd have said lol no way) that it's Biden 100%. I genuinely don't care that Biden's brain is melting, because as toxic and ineffectual and lame and even genocide-supporting as the democratic party is, it's not actively attempting to turn american democracy into russian-style strong man eternal "elected" dictatorship. I've never been a member of the democratic party and I'll vote for someone else in the primary (I just sent in my "please let me vote in the dem primary this year even though I'm not a registered dem" card) but biden will be the nominee and I'll vote for him and encourage everyone else to as well. It's less of a vote for biden or even a vote against trump, and more of a vote for getting to keep voting in the future. e. inflation is in fact falling and has been for months though, including on food and rent and transportation. That doesn't mean rent prices are going down, but the "inflation is out of control" line is republican party "keep saying it so people believe it" fabrication that flies in the face of the actual economic data. this is the right thread to follow for actual economic news with no tweets allowed, and not in a politics forum. It's as close to real a data-driven information channel about the economy as I've found and more people should participate. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Jan 26, 2024 |
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wandler20 posted:Is there any chance Biden could or would pick a different VP? There's plenty of precedent but the VP is there to win like, 1-2 states. Dem leadership only views candidates in box checking and a woman of color is a good "fit" next to their vision of Biden. But like why would they change that person when Harris is already the youngest member of their leadership lol
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wandler20 posted:Is there any chance Biden could or would pick a different VP? Not really unless Harris screws up something big. You’d be alienating multiple constituencies depending on who you replaced her with.
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Leperflesh posted:A second trump presidency validates openly attempting a coup, and could be the last time we elect anyone for anything. I'm sufficiently convinced that that's a nonzero risk with Trump (like, maybe not a "high likelihood" but I actually think it's on the table, if you'd asked me six years ago I'd have said lol no way) that it's Biden 100%. I genuinely don't care that Biden's brain is melting, because as toxic and ineffectual and lame and even genocide-supporting as the democratic party is, it's not actively attempting to turn american democracy into russian-style strong man eternal "elected" dictatorship. Yeah, youre exactly right on the money here. Im just bitching at the liver and onions the democrats are giving me
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Leperflesh posted:e. inflation is in fact falling and has been for months though, including on food and rent and transportation. That doesn't mean rent prices are going down, but the "inflation is out of control" line is republican party "keep saying it so people believe it" fabrication that flies in the face of the actual economic data. Almost no one besides economists cares about the data on this, if the economy feels bad to the person experiencing it then that person will say that it's bad. Not saying the data are wrong but we're firmly in the era of Feels-Based Politics, so data take a backseat to the lived experiences of voters.
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wandler20 posted:Is there any chance Biden could or would pick a different VP? the democratic party doesn't do that they insist on putting in the years and climbing the ladder as a loyal party member, harris is the vp and so she's the next presidential candidate, if the insiders chose differently that would be a betrayal of custom and is also why we had a hillary clinton candidacy before, and why biden was the candidate last time, he'd been a vice president going against the internal rules gets you quietly blacklisted by the party apparatus, bernie's not played by the dem party rules (being an independent) and hillary did so hillary had to be the candidate, see? one of the reasons biden won the last primary was because black voters in southern states overwhelmingly preferred him, and I haven't seen polls but I wonder if that's still the case it's important to remember that old people are still the most reliable voters, so "biden's too old" still doesn't fly with the people who always show up to the polls, and "let's get someone young that appeals to the kids" is still an incredibly risky strategy Anyway we're maybe gonna elect a soon-to-be convicted felon and witness the end of democracy and it'll be because biden is utterly uninspiring, not because of specific policies about israel or the border or student loans or environment or red sea shipping or even the economy. IMO there's one possible exception which is abortion and if the dems really hammer on abortion throughout october, maybe they have a chance becuase despite everything, the actual majority including in the swing states want abortion rights. One thing we really ought to have learned by now is that most policy positions mostly only matter to the people who were gonna vote their party line anyway, the election for president is actually won or lost by inspiring extremely low-information swing voters - a tiny minority - in specific swing states, to show up and vote. Trump inspires powerful emotions in both directions and Biden doesn't. IMO Biden won in 2020 because of votes against Trump in the swing states outweighing votes for him, and that'll be the determining factor again, just how inspired the "stop trump" vs. "let's have him back" arguments sway those weird 1-2% of voters in places like Wisconsin.
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C-Euro posted:Almost no one besides economists cares about the data on this, if the economy feels bad to the person experiencing it then that person will say that it's bad. Not saying the data are wrong but we're firmly in the era of Feels-Based Politics, so data take a backseat to the lived experiences of voters. I tend to agree except I think people here are also responding to how the economy feels to influential twitterverse people and the star posters in c-spam. But the reality is that, even accounting for the deep flaws in how we count unemployment, we're doing really good in terms of employment, real wages are rising faster than inflation the last three months, new housing starts are looking better, and as the fed starts flattening and then lowering interest rates this year a lot of people are going to start getting some relief on their loan rates. Consumer spending this holiday season strongly suggests that actually a large majority of Americans are feeling OK about their finances. You get a very skewed view of what "everyone" is thinking about the economy if you restrict yourself to most of the economic news threads on SA, or just to the poo poo that runs across the twitter feed, or even just look at the headlines on major news outlets.
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C-Euro posted:Almost no one besides economists cares about the data on this, if the economy feels bad to the person experiencing it then that person will say that it's bad. Not saying the data are wrong but we're firmly in the era of Feels-Based Politics, so data take a backseat to the lived experiences of voters. “The second derivative of core inflation is flat! Bidenomics!” I say as mortgage interest rates are near 20yr highs, home prices haven’t declined, rent is unaffordable for anyone without two income streams and grocery suppliers continue to gouge their way to record profits. I don’t doubt that absolutely smashing the working class over the knee of the fed has been at least somewhat effective here on economic indicators but the economy still does not work for most people.
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Leperflesh posted:Consumer spending this holiday season strongly suggests that actually a large majority of Americans are feeling OK about their finances.
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LeeMajors posted:What’s most frustrating is that democrats had a chance to energize young people and immigrants and promptly looked in the mirror and asked how they could get more racist. Stuff like this is why I am convinced the online left is infested with rightwing ops, where 99% of the emphasis is in getting people not to vote, and maybe if you are lucky 1% goes towards advancing something progressive. I am not saying any posters here or even wherever they get information from is an op, but somewhere in the left media ecosystem someone is leaking in "facts" like Donald the Dove that are not true and there is little benefit to leftist causes to promote Trump when you can just not vote for Biden without whitewashing Republicans. Some of the points are literally untrue, and the rest of it is effectively unwinnable because it is not things the president can directly control. In the 2020 primary Biden was one of my least favorite candidates, probably only higher than Bloomberg and random guys who no one even knew, but I find it hard to believe Biden is why Roe is still repealed, or the Supreme Court impeded student loan forgiveness. I was all aboard the goon leftist zeitgeist until a few years ago and I still consider myself to the left of the Democratic party, but I fell off because it seems more about getting that sweet online engagement by being perpetually aggrieved like the right has been doing for 30 years. It was also kind of like that tweet someone made about Musk (no idea who these people are, it came up in a google search): https://twitter.com/bgrahamdisciple/status/1607172467231174658/photo/1 Once people started talking about stuff I knew about, I realized they had no idea what they were talking about. Pain of Mind fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Jan 26, 2024 |
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Fifty Three posted:I'm not an economist but I wonder how that spending relates to U.S. consumer debt also being at an all-time high A lot of buy now pay later got record spending over the holidays
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Alfred I like you man. Like I could have a beer with you and talk sports.
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It's always the election talk that gets RG3 back. Not the week long discussion about RG3
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Kimo that trailer you posted was boss. Seriously. Hope It is box office success man.
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LeeMajors posted:“The second derivative of core inflation is flat! Bidenomics!” I say as mortgage interest rates are near 20yr highs, home prices haven’t declined, rent is unaffordable for anyone without two income streams and grocery suppliers continue to gouge their way to record profits. household debt service as % of disposable income is near 40-year lows: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TDSP real (inflation-adjusted) median personal income is near 50-year highs: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N median rent asking prices in the US have been flat since the fed starting raising rates, and recently declining: https://www.rent.com/research/average-rent-price-report/ consumer sentiment is at its highest level since mid-2021: http://www.sca.isr.umich.edu/ i get that you're consistently doom and gloom but... maybe things aren't so bad for most of the middle class? i mostly just see trump MAGA and DSA left agreeing that the economy is apocalyptically bad
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Neil Armbong posted:I think the DNC not actively working against progressives would be a start. They can't weed out good candidates that are a scooch further left than they'd like to uplift empty suits like mayor pete and gavin loving newsom. The national and state parties are 100% responsible for their bench lacking quality candidates. This is 100% intentional. The party leadership knows they make more money being Republican Lite than being progressive.
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For those not following, Trump just got a verdict against him for defaming E. Jean Carroll of $83.3m.
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Mr. Nice! posted:For those not following, Trump just got a verdict against him for defaming E. Jean Carroll of $83.3m. 
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