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Act 3 Bhaal goons in the city being offended during combat at a character wearing Sarevok helmet, such a fun detail
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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:How is doing that not explicitly against the oath of ancients lol I interpreted the undead thing as more about raising skeletons and zombies and such, rather than free-willed undead, especially because the game did not have an issue with me freeing Asterion and keeping him around, even when he had definitely murdered a lot of people and bitten more than a few. I figured extrapolating from the test case would be fine! grack posted:You released a bunch of insane, mostly feral vampire spawn out into the wild to wreak havoc. Of course that's going to break your oath. That's why I didn't buy out of the oath-breaking anyway, I decided that I hadn't made a mistake, just found a time when I disagreed with the tenets, so I should live with being an oathbreaker.
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Lawman 0 posted:The tadpole did it. Paladins in 5e are not deity-based but instead are subject to principle-based Oaths that determine their subclass. BG3's selection is limited to Ancients (life), Devotion (honorable justice), Vengeance (FFXIV Dark Knight's justice), and Oathbreaker (the Way of Oops).
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Runa posted:Paladins in 5e are not deity-based but instead are subject to principle-based Oaths that determine their subclass. BG3's selection is limited to Ancients (life), Devotion (honorable justice), Vengeance (FFXIV Dark Knight's justice), and Oathbreaker (the Way of Oops). I'm running a mod for deity options for paladins.
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Lawman 0 posted:I'm running a mod for deity options for paladins. Oh fair enough
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I really pity the Dragonborn who don't look look like dragons and are instead the Goomba from the 1993 Super Mario Bros movie
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Further Reading posted:I found a nice solution to my oathbreaker problem. Travel back to the grove and kill the druid who opens the gate. I broke my Devotion oath by ambushing the Absolute cultists on the dock behind Moonrise. Which is weird to me that I have to challenge them to honorable combat or something and give them the chance to send the entire tower at me, but oh well.
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Vampires (as well as liches and the like) are in a weird place in D&D because culturally we see Vampires as free-willed, if normally selfish creatures that can either embrace what they are and become little sociopathic cannibals or try to fight what they are and become sadboy martyrs. In D&D though when you become a vampire your evil switch gets turned on and you become an rear end in a top hat automatically. The game tries to have its cake and eat it too (and I mean, fair enough, vampires with agency are way more interesting than human-adjacent monsters that automatically become cackling villains the second you turn them). If you believe that vampires have some agency and can at least choose to be better - as Astarion apparently has - then it is still at least nominally morally better to release them because some of them might choose to be murderers and some might choose to be heroes and it's not really your place to decide for them. If you accept that almost all of them are just automatically going to be cartoon badguys in the same way that birds fly and fish swim, then you're basically just unleashing mutant super monsters on the world. I think 'vampires have free will and their circumstances make them likely to choose and justify their evil' is much more interesting than, 'vampires are compelled to twirl their mustaches as part of their curse' but I don't make the rules.
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Also the game very much precursors your decision on the whole vampire thing by showing both examples on-your-face beforehand as you approach the scene.
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D&D has notoriously had a longrunning issue with Always Alignment, directly related to the problems with the concept of codifying personal values as "Alignments." Alignment is both the laziest and least interesting way to treat morality or agency in a setting and having designated Always Evil entries was always a sign of hack writing. Even in Tolkien's work, having Always Evil races was a weakness of his worldbuilding and he was deeply conflicted about its implications once he had time to reflect.
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Mendrian posted:Vampires (as well as liches and the like) are in a weird place in D&D because culturally we see Vampires as free-willed, if normally selfish creatures that can either embrace what they are and become little sociopathic cannibals or try to fight what they are and become sadboy martyrs. I thought the game was suggesting vampire spawn don't necessarily get the Evil switch turned inherently the way full Vampires do, but instead do evil because they are the helpless thralls of evil vampires.
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One of Astarion's first conversations about being a vampire and the bits you get of Cazador's backstory make it clear that vampires have very strong motivations to be huge bastards. A vampire who isn't a selfish paranoiac would basically destroy the entire system, so they keep their spawn on a tight leash and beat them until they learn to be one.
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Like a lot of vampire fiction, it is a metaphor for the cycle of abuse yes.
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I think the problem with vampires/spawn being allowed out and about in the world too is even if they have good intentions by their very nature they need a blood diet to live. And Astarion makes it quite clear that dining on animal blood is far less satisfying than human(elf etc) blood. How many in the long run could resist the lure of preying on other people to satisfy those urges?
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Runa posted:D&D has notoriously had a longrunning issue with Always Alignment, directly related to the problems with the concept of codifying personal values as "Alignments." Alignment is both the laziest and least interesting way to treat morality or agency in a setting and having designated Always Evil entries was always a sign of hack writing. I'm glad they deemphasized it but I still think it would have been useful for players to have (alignment) next to the gods name. For example I totally forgot that Talos was chaotic evil. 
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Ginette Reno posted:I think the problem with vampires/spawn being allowed out and about in the world too is even if they have good intentions by their very nature they need a blood diet to live. And Astarion makes it quite clear that dining on animal blood is far less satisfying than human(elf etc) blood. Buddy this setting has no shortage of monsterfuckers. There's the dude with his dragonborn husband, there's the drow lady who wants to be bitten, there's evidence that at least some druids will just cheerfully turn into animals to bone down, and so on. A vampire spawn could straight up just go down to Sharess' Caress and say "I'm a vampire spawn" and they would consensually have all the blood they could possibly drink, plus some spending money on top of that
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Angry Diplomat posted:Buddy this setting has no shortage of monsterfuckers. There's the dude with his dragonborn husband, there's the drow lady who wants to be bitten, there's evidence that at least some druids will just cheerfully turn into animals to bone down, and so on. A vampire spawn could straight up just go down to Sharess' Caress and say "I'm a vampire spawn" and they would consensually have all the blood they could possibly drink, plus some spending money on top of that One of the weirdest and funniest banters in the game is Wyll using his first trip to the docks in a while to bring up his dad's collection of mermaid erotic fiction and quoting it from memory. The entire forgotten realms flies a freak flag.
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I'd expect no less from a setting that sprung fully-formed from Ed Greenwood's hornybrain, quite frankly.
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Lawman 0 posted:One of the weirdest and funniest banters in the game is Wyll using his first trip to the docks in a while to bring up his dad's collection of mermaid erotic fiction and quoting it from memory. The entire forgotten realms flies a freak flag. shart remarks on his good taste if you have her there too
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mycot posted:I really pity the Dragonborn who don't look look like dragons and are instead the Goomba from the 1993 Super Mario Bros movie I kind of like the snake looking dragonborns like that one in Act 3 who was working for the hag
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It's also made clear that, for the thousands of spawn who were kept in cages for their whole unlike, it's a terrible existence of unending misery. Ending them all is a mercy kill especially since we know the afterlife exists and it's probably hella better than living off random animals on the underdark.
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It's perfect.
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Morrow posted:It's also made clear that, for the thousands of spawn who were kept in cages for their whole unlike, it's a terrible existence of unending misery. Ending them all is a mercy kill especially since we know the afterlife exists and it's probably hella better than living off random animals on the underdark. do vampires get to go to the afterlife?
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Saraiguma posted:do vampires get to go to the afterlife? I definitely sent Cazador to hell
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All these deep and interesting questions and y'all ignore the most important ones: Is Larian surreptitiously adding more incense to the Gauntlet in patches and hotfixes? I say yes, my full analysis coming soon
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grack posted:All these deep and interesting questions and y'all ignore the most important ones: Is Larian surreptitiously adding more incense to the Gauntlet in patches and hotfixes? I say yes, my full analysis coming soon If you sell all of the incense in the Gauntlet it is worth approximately 60,000GP.
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Saraiguma posted:shart remarks on his good taste if you have her there too She gives feedback to the BDSM priest while he's beating you with a mace, which was something I missed my first couple rounds through.
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That was the moment I vowed to marry her
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mycot posted:I really pity the Dragonborn who don't look look like dragons and are instead the Goomba from the 1993 Super Mario Bros movie My hornless Dragonborn Vengeance paladin looks like Kermit the Frog when he emotes and a I love him.
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Honestly I'm shocked well the default dark urge model animates.
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Runa posted:D&D has notoriously had a longrunning issue with Always Alignment, directly related to the problems with the concept of codifying personal values as "Alignments." Alignment is both the laziest and least interesting way to treat morality or agency in a setting and having designated Always Evil entries was always a sign of hack writing. Alignment is a legacy of when D&D was a wargame and your alignment was what team you're on. You can see this in some of the really weird baggage of early editions like alignment languages, which are special secret languages that are spoken by everyone of a particular alignment and instantly forgotten if you change to a different alignment.
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Thuryl posted:Alignment is a legacy of when D&D was a wargame and your alignment was what team you're on. You can see this in some of the really weird baggage of early editions like alignment languages, which are special secret languages that are spoken by everyone of a particular alignment and instantly forgotten if you change to a different alignment. lmao that does explain Alignment languages. the explanation doesn't stop it from being dumb as hell but now I understand the thought processes behind it
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22 Eargesplitten posted:She gives feedback to the BDSM priest while he's beating you with a mace, which was something I missed my first couple rounds through. Yeah I just did this for the first time and I was gonna romance gale this run but, gently caress, now I have to romance shadowheart again
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There's been a recent breakthrough in Honor Mode speedruns where instead of slowly killing Ketheric with an invis poition and Level 1 Witch Bolt you send a 300kg Shadowheart in owlbear form from the top rope. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnndQrM7Zi4&t=587s
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Runa posted:Oh fair enough If you start as a cleric and then multi class into paladins the game will actually give you dialogue options labeled as ‘paladin of Selune’ or whatever, I did it on my first run. I assume it’s mostly just relabeling cleric dialogue, but I’m not entirely sure.
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exquisite tea posted:There's been a recent breakthrough in Honor Mode speedruns where instead of slowly killing Ketheric with an invis poition and Level 1 Witch Bolt you send a 300kg Shadowheart in owlbear form from the top rope. I regret not thinking of doing this to Grym on the playthrough where I had a Moon Druid.
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Lore question: Why does Gale set up a telescope while camping indoors? 
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