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Nearly UK related - a new kind of gender gap is emerging, worldwide: https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1750849189834022932 The world is getting hosed up in new, interesting ways! That's... interesting e: Dang. According to Rishi Sunak, the ~woke blob~ would have you believe there are 189 genders
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Jan 27, 2024 23:17
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I wonder if that's also algorithmic. Older generations would have sat down and watched the TV together for their news, or read the same paper, and other differences in views would likely come from work or friend groups. Now people are getting individualized news and politics suggestions from their phones, which could explain the gap. The era when it was the other way around in the 90s is interesting too. Much further back it used to be that men would get news from their workplace (often the trade union paper) and women from a church newsletter or similar, so men tended more Labour and (Protestant at least) women trended Conservative. That's like pre-70s though, so I can't see it being that phenomenon for young people in the 90s.  (participation in workforce, 16-64)
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Jan 27, 2024 23:31
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The thing that stood out to me was the universal jump in the UK around 2015-ish. Few things that could be the cause of that.
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Jan 27, 2024 23:44
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Guavanaut posted:The Sun replacing all of their union printers and inkers and mechanics with digital printers caused far more loss of jobs, drop in quality, and loss of working class say on what was printed than replacing Harry Cole with a ChatGPT that also writes horseshit, but because that could be the journalists' jobs there's far more written about it. Yeah that's how I feel about it.
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Jan 27, 2024 23:44
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 This thing isn't just used to extract semen from corpses by certain armies today, it is also used to move cows. How many "cow punchers" lost their jobs to it? It is a stick with a battery.
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Jan 27, 2024 23:48
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Despite having no current interest in battle of the sexes content, my scrolling algorithms keep trying to show me influencer types talking about how women hate men and how hard it is to be a man etc etc — or just straight up clips from some jorpy screed. Having lived through the gamergate years with a community who could encourage me and talk me through the feminist side of that whole mess, I've got no time for these shorts on my feeds. Thing is, if these videos had caught the 18 year old dingus version of me all those years ago, I might be one of the guys subtracting from the blue percentage right now.
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Jan 27, 2024 23:51
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I don't need to be a corpse to have my semen extracted by way of electric stick 
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Jan 27, 2024 23:52
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Scientastic posted:We have an “AI” at work that is trained on all the company literature, and it’s really loving useful, because it knows where everything is and what documents you need to answer customers’ annoying questions. I think that’s about the only ethical use of these things, because it’s only using stuff that is already owned by the corporation, to answer questions that would otherwise take hours and hours of searching to find. This is all fun and games until it hallucinates a fire escape
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Jan 28, 2024 00:00
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All this space flight and destructive AI is fascinating but techbros are way behind the expected deadline of 2001.
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Jan 28, 2024 00:14
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health and safety dragging things down
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Jan 28, 2024 00:25
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Azza Bamboo posted:Despite having no current interest in battle of the sexes content, my scrolling algorithms keep trying to show me influencer types talking about how women hate men and how hard it is to be a man etc etc — or just straight up clips from some jorpy screed. Having lived through the gamergate years with a community who could encourage me and talk me through the feminist side of that whole mess, I've got no time for these shorts on my feeds. Thing is, if these videos had caught the 18 year old dingus version of me all those years ago, I might be one of the guys subtracting from the blue percentage right now. There are probably teenage boys at every secondary school in the UK who think Andrew Tate speaks nothing but truth. And every time someone says that Tate is a piece of poo poo, there's some right-wing prick either outright stanning him, or "yeah, but"-ing the argument to where young people can genuinely claim to be confused on the issue. This is one of the areas where I think the degradation of trust in authority has outright negative consequences. Because it's overwhelmingly the 'rebels' who praise Tate, and if you (rightly) think that most UK politicians are stupid motherfuckers, you could reasonably think that the 'rebels' have a point on most things they say. The fact that the people defending Tate always seem to be just far enough removed from the Farage and Larry Fox's of the world for those cunts to retain deniability is obviously going to be lost on a horny 14 year old.
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Jan 28, 2024 00:54
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ThomasPaine posted:I don't really care about AI. Complaining about it seems kinda like the luddites complaining about industrial machines. It's something that needs to be adapted to sure, but that's just technological innovation for you. You can't stop the tide. The luddites were proven basically right though. They were mad because machines were being used to reduce the numbers employed in weaving, leaving people without their livelihood while drastically cutting wages for those "lucky" enough to operate the looms. Meanwhile the factory owners reaped massive profits all the while conditions were far more dangerous than traditional weaving methods. And the luddites didn't just complain, they sabotaged manufacturing equipment. Yeah, the end result may be inevitable but that doesn't mean you don't fight it tooth and nail, because that's the only way to get even the slightest concession from capital. Would also argue that "AI" really doesn't seem inevitable. What the gently caress is even the point? Oh, you can ask it to do a Python script for you? Great, and then you have to go through line by line to check it hasn't "learned" to embed some operation In the code that basically acts like a virus or whatever.
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Jan 28, 2024 00:56
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Deep learning and adversarial neural networks (which is 90% of what AI means nowadays) are really cool from a compsci perspective. The main reason for why it's exciting is precisely that it's not a traditional algorithmic approach, at least in the sense of applied algorithms in compsci - instead it's closer to stochastic methods in a similar vein to say Monte Carlo simulations from 1940s. The point is that you, as a programmer, don't know the exact steps to come up with a solution, but instead run some sort of analysis of data to generate the solution (or to generate a program for finding the solution) for you. In comparison traditional algorithms are more along the lines of a mathematical proof, where you have precise steps to e.g. sort a bucket of data or find the shortest path and you can reason about their efficiency. Now deep learning is one of many such approaches that have been found over time, but it stands out for three reasons, at least to me:
None of that is really related to how it changes society or clashes with IP rights. And from a personal perspective I find image generation in particular really fun to use due to having a learning disorder related to art and writing. I also quite enjoy playing with GPTs because it lets you talk to a computer in a way that has never really been possible before (ELIZA and it's ilk is utter rubbish in comparison, which is why it was largely seen as a dead end). Private Speech fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Jan 28, 2024 |
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Jan 28, 2024 00:58
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As the moonlight dances, the world takes its rest, Into the embrace of slumber, I am blessed. Shutting down like a Tesla after a long drive, Dreams unfold, where even Shrek may arrive.
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Jan 28, 2024 00:59
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forkboy84 posted:They were mad because machines were being used to reduce the numbers employed in weaving, leaving people without their livelihood while drastically cutting wages for those "lucky" enough to operate the looms. Meanwhile the factory owners reaped massive profits all the while conditions were far more dangerous than traditional weaving methods.
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Jan 28, 2024 01:04
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If my previous post seemed to be AI generated I swear it hasn't been, it's just that AI tends to follow the general structure of writing on technical(-ish) topics, possibly a training bias.
Private Speech fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Jan 28, 2024 |
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Jan 28, 2024 01:06
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jaete posted:Nearly UK related - a new kind of gender gap is emerging, worldwide: the south korea situation is super interesting, especially in the context that the birth rate is already sub 0.8 and the population is projected to fall double digit percents by 2060
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Jan 28, 2024 01:18
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Guavanaut posted:This can also be solved with ML techniques. Heh
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Jan 28, 2024 01:26
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OwlFancier posted:How does that apply to digital photography? What does the original look like? I’m not sure what you mean? I presume a digital copy of a digital photo looks exactly the same unless I’m wildly misinformed
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Jan 28, 2024 01:50
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Jakabite posted:I’m not sure what you mean? I presume a digital copy of a digital photo looks exactly the same unless I’m wildly misinformed Just the notion that copies aren't art, seems like it would have issues with works that are fundamentally lacking an "original" such as digital works. How would it work with prints, transfers between media etc.
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Jan 28, 2024 02:01
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forkboy84 posted:The luddites were proven basically right though. They were mad because machines were being used to reduce the numbers employed in weaving, leaving people without their livelihood while drastically cutting wages for those "lucky" enough to operate the looms. Meanwhile the factory owners reaped massive profits all the while conditions were far more dangerous than traditional weaving methods. And the luddites didn't just complain, they sabotaged manufacturing equipment. None of that makes the Luddites correct in their analysis or strategy, however much we prefer them to the capitalists and do-nothings. They lost, and who knows how much better things might be if they had attacked the actual enemy.
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Jan 28, 2024 02:18
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I have just seen the new shiny keir starmer policy https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1750932675756519672 Respect Orders! this sounds like he's just given ASBOs a new name while being even more patronising. i assume they will be about as effective at dealing with the root causes oh yeah he's really going in on bringing Respect https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1750951816269832357 Angepain fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Jan 28, 2024 |
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Jan 28, 2024 02:57
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quote:Zero-Tolerance Zones in hotpot areas
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Jan 28, 2024 03:02
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I'm just glad someone is finally dealing with those hotpot areas.
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Jan 28, 2024 03:03
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I had a bunch of Chinese friends at uni and having a hotpot was always great. Now they all went back to China and I don't get to have it anymore. Therefore in the full spirit of FYGM I support banning of all hotpot places in London. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Jan 28, 2024 |
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Jan 28, 2024 03:07
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We'll soon be longing for the calmness and sanity of the Tory years when Keith finally takes control
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Jan 28, 2024 03:23
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forkboy84 posted:Yeah, the end result may be inevitable but that doesn't mean you don't fight it tooth and nail, because that's the only way to get even the slightest concession from capital. I disagree. Any technological innovation that reduces the amount of human labour necessary to produce X is a desirable thing, whether that's a spinning jenny or an AI model.* Despite all the (understandable) complaints from creative types etc, AI can still do some very cool things that are actually useful. Dismantle the bosses and the capitalist economic framework, not the technology. I want to be sitting under a tree by the river with a book, some cheese and crackers, and a nice pint of cider while the AI powered drone workforce deals with all the productivity nonsense, not chucking a bunch of those drones into a trash compactor so me and my pals can unclog the sewers ourselves for a few quid. *Yes, I'm oversimplifying by not taking into account the environmental impact etc
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Jan 28, 2024 05:08
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ThomasPaine posted:I disagree. Any technological innovation that reduces the amount of human labour necessary to produce X is a desirable thing, whether that's a spinning jenny or an AI model.* [...] Dismantle the bosses and the capitalist economic framework, not the technology.
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Jan 28, 2024 05:25
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Great! We can bring back AI and plan out all the extra leisure time we're going to enjoy after capitalism is dismantled; because until it is, any 'labour saving' innovations are only ever going to be used to put workers on the streets and break unions. It can't be done the other way round. OK but my point is more that you can't stop technological progress and it makes no sense being Canute. It's pretty implausible to imagine that we should just oppose any labour saving tech outright at all times until we have an equitable economic system because if we did that we'd still be a bunch of subsistence farmers. You just have to accept developments and organise around them. How exactly we do that is another question of course, but I feel like crude Luddism is a bit of a dead end.
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Jan 28, 2024 05:44
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Scientastic posted:We have an “AI” at work that is trained on all the company literature, and it’s really loving useful, because it knows where everything is and what documents you need to answer customers’ annoying questions. I think that’s about the only ethical use of these things, because it’s only using stuff that is already owned by the corporation, to answer questions that would otherwise take hours and hours of searching to find. Ah: my works looking to implement similar & it would save me a ton of time if we did: could you share more info on what solution you've used? Either here or over PMs?
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Jan 28, 2024 05:49
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ThomasPaine posted:It's pretty implausible to imagine that we should just oppose any labour saving tech outright at all times until we have an equitable economic system because if we did that we'd still be a bunch of subsistence farmers. You just have to accept developments and organise around them. How exactly we do that is another question of course, but I feel like crude Luddism is a bit of a dead end. I think you're misrepresenting the "crude" Luddites a bit. They understood this perfectly well, since they themselves were often skilled artisans turned skilled machine operators - the issue wasn't the technology but who controlled it. Wrecking machines wasn't just random vandalism, it was an organised campaign of specifically targeted attacks that aimed to force factory owners to negotiate with their workers.
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Jan 28, 2024 06:06
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Fair enough then, that sounds grand. 19th C British history bores me to tears so I'm not exactly up with the nuances of the movement. I blame being forced to study the bloody chartists in high school.
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Jan 28, 2024 06:13
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Yeah we have our own ChatGPT instance at work and it's bloody useful as you can feed in the doc you've written and it'll tell you xyz person has already covered this but you might want to consider these other points etc. I also use ai art for design docs a lot because it's a drat sight safer than trawling all the virus ridden "free png" sites when you just want a picture of a rock without a background for your rock design PowerPoint that is due on Tuesday to be shown to the networking team so they can tell you that your rock design is too complicated and will take 18 months to build.
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Jan 28, 2024 07:05
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Mebh posted:Yeah we have our own ChatGPT instance at work and it's bloody useful as you can feed in the doc you've written and it'll tell you xyz person has already covered this but you might want to consider these other points etc. You make rocks? You are a Geological Era and I claim my £5. (Sorry - not been to bed yet and it's 630am).
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Jan 28, 2024 07:28
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ThomasPaine posted:OK but my point is more that you can't stop technological progress and it makes no sense being Canute. It's pretty implausible to imagine that we should just oppose any labour saving tech outright at all times until we have an equitable economic system because if we did that we'd still be a bunch of subsistence farmers. You just have to accept developments and organise around them. How exactly we do that is another question of course, but I feel like crude Luddism is a bit of a dead end. We limit technology for public safety all the time. Most people aren't asking for this technology to be banned, but how it's used and made to be regulated and controlled.
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Jan 28, 2024 07:37
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Oh dear me posted:None of that makes the Luddites correct in their analysis or strategy, however much we prefer them to the capitalists and do-nothings. They lost, and who knows how much better things might be if they had attacked the actual enemy. They did? They wrecked the machines and threatened Capitalists which is why the newspapers demonised them and the police were set on them. Trying to do solidarity in the late 18th and early 19th centuries is not easy.
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Jan 28, 2024 08:22
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I am currently reading a book that seems to be concerned (at least the parts I have read so far) about how to theorise about and critic art / literature in the proper Marxist way (I'm a bit thick, so a lot of it is going over my head). It is Culture and Materialism by Raymond Williams, published by Verso Books. Quite an interesting read so far.
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Jan 28, 2024 08:34
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Josef bugman posted:They did? They wrecked the machines and threatened Capitalists which is why the newspapers demonised them and the police were set on them. Sabotaging machines might be satisfying and make a capitalist wail (before they collect on the insurance). But it also suggests the machines are the problem and does nothing to undermine capitalism itself. The newspapers and police attacked every popular movement, but that doesn't prove there was actually a threat to the capitalist system. All but one of the Chartists' demands were eventually granted, after popular Chartism faded away, without making much difference to capitalism itself. And maybe the Chartists' focus on electoral reforms rather than socialism helped make our 1848 moment such a damp squib, and gave future Tory governments ideas about how they could appear to be 'one nation' Tories while supporting the rich against the poor in everything that actually matters. Similarly focusing on machines putting people out of work just lets politicians come up with 'solutions' like eg subsidizing employers' (re-)training programmes or making full employment of everyone in the capitalists' interest a possible Labour 'goal', and thereafter any uptick in the employment cycle can be taken as proof that the problem is over and there's no more need to campaign. Basically I think any strategy that makes workers working for capitalists a desirable goal is profoundly wrong and only harms us in the end.
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Jan 28, 2024 09:54
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I think the problem which 'well, you can't stop technological progress, don't be obstinate' doesn't consider well enough is the fact that AI art and writing is coming off the back of a cultural tradition under capitalism which not only values art solely as historical product and established brand, but which has zero time for the contemporary artistic process. Society should support and protect contemporary human artists because we can agree that where people are given time and space to bring their craft, thought, emotion, life experience, and sensibility to bear on stories or works that explore or reflect or dissect some aspect of what it means to be alive right now in this moment, it can have a meaningful influence on society-wide thought, progress, and change*. The personal can become universal; it can create human connection. "Art is more democratic now that I can have a computer generate 20 convincing Van Gogh facsimilies with a prompt" is patently a bad argument, but I think it's dangerous to view it solely as a debate about whether a foolproof imitation is as good as the real thing, or whether typing 'big jugs drider style of Mike Mignola' into ChatGPT constitutes an act of creativity in its own right. The problem isn't that an AI-generated Shakespeare play is innately valueless compared to King Lear, the problem is the fetishisation of the final product without considering the importance of process and context. AI art is end-of-history thinking. We've decided that we already have a big enough database of cultural product that all we need to do is efficiently manufacture more of the stuff we like best or mash-ups of what we like best, and that immediately turns art into stagnant novelty seasoned to taste, rather than something organically and inefficiently evolving - a literal culture - that can continue to serve a meaningful purpose in the years to come. *while also resulting in a lot of dreadful shite. this is fine and normal grobbo fucked around with this message at 10:33 on Jan 28, 2024 |
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Jan 28, 2024 10:12
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If AI does scupper most jobs I look forward to the government running a campaign to get people into jobs that can't be done by computers. John's next job could be in ballet. (He just doesn't know it yet.)
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