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bull3964 posted:That's not the Phase II Enterprise though. Yeah, it is. Probert designed the Phase II Enterprise and then the design went through several modifications before Magicam actually built the model that got used in TMP. That's the Phase II Enterprise, you can tell by the nacelle struts in particular.
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Jan 28, 2024 20:44
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Soul Dentist posted:I like Enterprise better than Voyager also. I don't think there's high points in Voyager at all Enterprise has better characters, and that carries it for me. Whether or not the characters actually do anything worth watching is up for debate.
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Jan 28, 2024 20:49
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See, the nacelle pylons look the same to me, but I'm just now noticing the deflector dish. There apparently exists TOS back glass for it, but it was scrapped early on.
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Jan 28, 2024 20:52
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ENT and VOY are both bad. Which one is worse depends on the day. Neither are anywhere near as bad as Discovery, which is the worst Trek by far.
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Jan 28, 2024 20:52
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Accipiter posted:ENT and VOY are both bad. Which one is worse depends on the day. The worst episode of Discovery is better than the best episode of Enterprise, though the best episode of Discovery would be very subpar for Voyager. From what everyone says, Picard is possibly worse than any of the three, but I don't intend to find out.
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Jan 28, 2024 21:01
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disaster pastor posted:The worst episode of Discovery is better than the best episode of Enterprise, though the best episode of Discovery would be very subpar for Voyager. No sorry this is insanity Enterprise and Voyager both have pretty rubbish characters but I think at least Enterprise has a solid 4 and Voyager only has...two?
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Jan 28, 2024 21:10
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Taear posted:No sorry this is insanity IIRC, you think Far Beyond the Stars is bad, so I'm not surprised we're on opposite sides of "is Enterprise good?"
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Jan 28, 2024 21:16
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Taear posted:No sorry this is insanity The Doctor didn't spend years in the delta quadrant for you to question his solidity!!
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Jan 28, 2024 21:17
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disaster pastor posted:IIRC, you think Far Beyond the Stars is bad, so I'm not surprised we're on opposite sides of "is Enterprise good?" I said why though - when you're watching it week on week an episode of "whoa what if it's not real" just doesn't hit I can't get over that initial feeling either. I get what the episode is saying, I get the use of it. It just wasn't what I wanted at that time
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Jan 28, 2024 21:22
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bull3964 posted:Star Trek Strategic Operations Simulator from 1983. bull3964 posted:There was a sign on the machine that said they only ran it on the weekends to maintain stability.
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Jan 28, 2024 21:30
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Taear posted:I said why though - when you're watching it week on week an episode of "whoa what if it's not real" just doesn't hit They're very clear that Sisko is having a vision; Bashir explicitly compares what's going on in his brain to the time he found B'hala. Unless you're talking about the end when Sisko sees Benny's reflection in the window, but that's just a narrative conceit, not a "whoa, all this is fake!" moment.
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Jan 28, 2024 21:31
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Soul Dentist posted:I like Enterprise better than Voyager also. I don't think there's high points in Voyager at all Yeah, this is me. Enterprise has bland characters but I still generally like them more in a "I can tolerate their presence on screen" kind of way. I realized in my last attempt to use Voyager as background noise while working that I just straight up can't stand Tom and Harry. Janeway is basically the only consistently entertaining character and only because Kate Mulgrew is some kind of wizard who managed to do a ton of work with wildly inconsistent and sometimes insane writing for her character. Enterprise is often very bland, but I don't find myself annoyed with it most of the time. Paradoxish fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jan 28, 2024 |
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Jan 28, 2024 22:49
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bull3964 posted:Star Trek Pinball, 1978. That is so cool, thank you for the pics and writeup. But the important part: is it a fun table to play? (The TNG pinball machine from the 90s was legitimately good.)
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Jan 28, 2024 23:20
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Paradoxish posted:Yeah, this is me. Enterprise has bland characters but I still generally like them more in a "I can tolerate their presence on screen" kind of way. I realized in my last attempt to use Voyager as background noise while working that I just straight up can't stand Tom and Harry. Janeway is basically the only consistently entertaining character and only because Kate Mulgrew is some kind of wizard who managed to do a ton of work with wildly inconsistent and sometimes insane writing for her character. Usually my partner goes to sleep first, so I put on Star Trek to fall asleep to. The last time I finished DS9 I switched to Voyager and she said she preferred the other show basing it exclusively on it being background noise.
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Jan 28, 2024 23:25
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Paradoxish posted:Yeah, this is me. Enterprise has bland characters but I still generally like them more in a "I can tolerate their presence on screen" kind of way. I realized in my last attempt to use Voyager as background noise while working that I just straight up can't stand Tom and Harry. Janeway is basically the only consistently entertaining character and only because Kate Mulgrew is some kind of wizard who managed to do a ton of work with wildly inconsistent and sometimes insane writing for her character. Enterprise at least remembers how its characters feel about each other. Voyager never remembered that Janeway and Tuvok are besties, or that Chakotay and Paris hate each other.
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Jan 28, 2024 23:25
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Paradoxish posted:Yeah, this is me. Enterprise has bland characters but I still generally like them more in a "I can tolerate their presence on screen" kind of way. I realized in my last attempt to use Voyager as background noise while working that I just straight up can't stand Tom and Harry. Janeway is basically the only consistently entertaining character and only because Kate Mulgrew is some kind of wizard who managed to do a ton of work with wildly inconsistent and sometimes insane writing for her character. Yep, it's this. Paris and Kim go between utterly forgettable and actively annoying, Chakotay is a big slab of nothing, and Neelix is nails on a chalkboard.
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Fighting Trousers posted:Chakotay is a big slab of nothing His ability to summon a pan flute is second to none though.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Enterprise at least remembers how its characters feel about each other. Voyager never remembered that Janeway and Tuvok are besties, or that Chakotay and Paris hate each other. Didn't Chakoyay just hate Tom as part of the plan to expose the mole?
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:Didn't Chakoyay just hate Tom as part of the plan to expose the mole? It's one of the first things we learn about Tom and Chakotay, in the second scene of the show. quote:JANEWAY: Maybe. That ship was under the command of another former Starfleet officer, named Chakotay. I understand you knew him.
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Also, if I recall correctly, Chakotay wasn't in on the plan to sus out the mole. Janeway deliberately kept him in the dark so that his getting on Tom's case over his insubordinate behavior and Tom's subsequent desertion would appear genuine to the mole.
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Given how Chakotaybisnkind of a father figure to Torres makes that all extra funny.
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i remember getting a good lol at Chakotay's "Was anybody on that ship working for me?" after Seska. Chakotay's crew had more moles than the Tom Cruise IMF smh
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Powered Descent posted:But the important part: is it a fun table to play? (The TNG pinball machine from the 90s was legitimately good.) I'm honestly not good enough at pinball to judge objectively, but it seemed fine when I played it.
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Taear posted:No sorry this is insanity This is Tuvok erasure, though the credit for the character is to the actor and not the writers (most of the time). As one of the ENT defenders in the thread, I reluctantly have to agree that when VOY is firing on all cylinders, it can be better than ENT. But it's such a rare occasion that VOY can get everything pointed toward a great ep that ENT wins by a significant margin on the average episode. ENT also stretches toward seriality, while VOY stubbornly hit the reset button at most every opportunity.
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anyone have that gif of voyager smashing into the giant reset button at the end of Year of Hell?
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Pinterest Mom posted:It's one of the first things we learn about Tom and Chakotay, in the second scene of the show. Remember that unusually for a first episode of a Star Trek show, “Caretaker” is NOT an episode about the Captain. It’s actually a Paris episode, and a big part of the climax is Paris proving he’s made of sterner stuff than he says he is when he goes back and saves Chakotay on the collapsing staircase. When Voyager gets dumped into the Delta Quadrant Janeway sends him to Sickbay to help out the EMH; it’s Paris rediscovering his Starfleet courage that gets her to make him a bridge officer instead.
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Eason the Fifth posted:anyone have that gif of voyager smashing into the giant reset button at the end of Year of Hell? 
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Admiralty Flag posted:This is Tuvok erasure, though the credit for the character is to the actor and not the writers (most of the time). The thing about Tuvok is that his best feature is kind of a broken fourth wall. He's fun because you can empathize with his open disdain for the other characters, but it's very clear that the writers want you to think that he's a big old stick in the mud who hates fun. So I like Tuvok but also recognize that I'm not supposed to be cheering when he chokes holo-Neelix to death.
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Tuvok, the Squidward to Tom and Harry's Spongebob and Patrick.
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Paradoxish posted:The thing about Tuvok is that his best feature is kind of a broken fourth wall. He's fun because you can empathize with his open disdain for the other characters, but it's very clear that the writers want you to think that he's a big old stick in the mud who hates fun. So I like Tuvok but also recognize that I'm not supposed to be cheering when he chokes holo-Neelix to death. What No, the writers want you to be aware that he’s a mean old Vulcan stick in the mud who’s also a caring father and has relatable emotions and experiences he’s dealing with as a Vulcan. There is an episode where Tuvok dreams about showing up for a bridge shift and then realizes he’s naked. There are multiple episodes where Tuvok lands a punchline on Paris, Kim, or Neelix and they only realize they’ve been owned after he exits stage. There are episodes about him being a caring father to alien children. You are absolutely supposed to be laughing along when Tuvok lets rip. His “open disdain” is the part you’re reading into Tim Russ’s performance, but his comedic moments are absolutely intentional. e: to be fair, leaning into the occasional sarcastic utterly devastating comedic powers of Vulcan nature was Nimoy’s trick first, but Russ is very good at carrying the torch forward. Arivia fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Jan 29, 2024 |
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Paris: Well if we can't transport it out, we'll just have to fly in and grab it. Tuvok: Perhaps you weren't paying attention when the Malon freighter imploded? Tuvok, the Chandler of Voyager. the character from Friends of course, not the profession, although 98% of people are going to think that anyway so I don't know why I'm bothering to clarify this.
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Arivia posted:What I am saying that the best part of Tuvok is reading open disdain into his performance. Because the other characters are terrible, you see.
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Taear posted:This is what they say about it: I hate that. It diminishes the effort made by Starfleet Academy graduates.
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thotsky posted:I hate that. It diminishes the effort made by Starfleet Academy graduates. The cadets couldn't handle the Hospitality course's Kobayashi Maru: party of 12 who all have special orders, don't tell you they want to split the bill until after they're done, present you with coupons you've never seen before, and keep making bad jokes.
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In the future humanity has evolved beyond coupons.
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thotsky posted:I hate that. It diminishes the effort made by Starfleet Academy graduates. It's funny because he probably got turned into an urn or some bushes when that ancient alien archive began reformatting the ship and it was up to all those serious Starfleet people to solve the problem
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Knormal posted:Being a waiter on the Enterprise would be waiting for roughly the same 1,000 people repeatedly, with some occasional crew turnover. And they nearly all have a superior officer you can file a complaint with. You wouldn't have to deal with random assholes wandering in like you would in, say, Joseph Sisko's restaurant. Not just that, but the food literally tastes the same every time. No one reasonably is gonna go "send it back it doesn't taste right" or "where's my food, i ordered 35 seconds ago"
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V-Men posted:Not just that, but the food literally tastes the same every time. No one reasonably is gonna go "send it back it doesn't taste right" or "where's my food, i ordered 35 seconds ago" "I literally just told the replicate to make exactly what you told me to tell it to make. If you're food sucks that's on you buddy." And yeah, other than alien take overs/space anomalies, you really shouldn't have to worry about people causing trouble as like a third of the people in their are probably going to be in security anyway, and if some how no securities there you can probable get some to beam in, in like less than a minute. Worst you'd have to deal with I guess with be any non federation guest that are a bit surly or whatever.
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dr_rat posted:Worst you'd have to deal with I guess with be any non federation guest that are a bit surly or whatever. Sounds like a problem for the diplomatic team!
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