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RadiRoot: Feb 3, 2007

DoubleDonut posted:

when Putin dies do you think they will find a new bogeyman who will be Like Putin But Somehow Even Worse! or will we find out that well actually Putin was a real moderate compared to [new guy]

Putin can never die for as long as he�s in our hearts.

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Nichael: Mar 30, 2011

chair lunch dinner posted:

One of the worst days in recent memory is whatever day liberals found out about "gently caress Around And Find Out"

loquacius posted:

I'm still mad someone taught them the word "tankie"

# ? Jan 29, 2024 02:41

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

and now for some local succ:

[OPINION] Why we are forming a new socialist party

quote:

For decades now, we have been promised that we shall all rise again � and yet we continue to sink deeper instead.

Unemployed or paid meager wages, crushed by the increasing cost of living, and cut off from social services, so many of us still struggle to make ends meet, find time for our loved ones, and cultivate our talents. Hunger and homelessness remain rampant. Women are still deprived of control over their bodies; LGBTQ+ continue to live second-class lives; people with disabilities are still denied not only amenities but also respect. Climate change is accelerating; our planet is burning. All this as tons of food rot in warehouses, thousands of houses stand empty, and billionaires wallow in luxury.

The root cause of this civilizational decay � one we have been experiencing within and beyond our country � is not merely �bad governance� or �corruption.� We are witnessing ecological collapse and we suffer from various forms of degradation in the midst of abundance because capitalism � the system which prevails in our country and across the globe � is inherently destructive and dehumanizing. Together with sexism, racism, ableism, and other forms of domination and discrimination, this system is driving us towards climate apocalypse while crippling us all and keeping us in chains.

It should be clear by now that simply reforming capitalism will not suffice to resolve this crisis. The problem is systemic so the solution must also be systemic: what we need is to build a socialist society that is founded on justice, solidarity, equality, democracy, and dignity for all.

But for us to make more progress, a deep re-evaluation is also needed. Why, despite the immense sacrifices of its adherents, has the Left become even more marginalized � while right-wing forces are gaining ground? Is it time to consider new strategies for building the new world we envision?

The world we seek to transcend has changed profoundly. The proportion of wage and salary workers among employed persons in the Philippines has surged from only 33% in 1960 to over 60% today. Services now account for 60% of the country�s output, employing almost 57% of the workforce. The share of food and raw materials in the country�s total exports has also declined from 90% to just 10% while the share of manufactured goods has soared from around 5% to 80%. From a food exporter, the Philippines has become one of the world�s biggest rice importers.

For all its much-lamented �weakness,� the state has also become stronger. Unlike tsarist Russia�s or pre-revolutionary China�s, it no longer just relies on coercion to secure people�s submission; it has also become capable of wielding concessions, disciplinary conditioning, and symbolic violence. Working with or as part of civil society, it has succeeded in narrowing people�s imagination and channeling their grievances away from revolution.

....

Now that capitalism has become thoroughly established in its own distinctive way in the Philippines, we start out from the premise that our immediate task now is to make capitalism at least less vicious than it is � while simultaneously creating the conditions for its abolition now rather than in some constantly postponed future.

We also begin from the view that the repressive forces of the Philippine state cannot be opposed through strategies that always subordinate other forms of struggle to the imperatives of rural or urban armed struggle. Buttressed by both coercion and hegemony, this state can only be overcome through long-term, open mass mobilizations aimed at first countering its ideological, disciplinary, or infrastructural ramparts before eventually targeting its coercive core.

In line with this, we propose a different path: what we call �revolutionary democratic socialism.�

Socialism because we seek to establish a society in which the means of production are owned collectively and managed as part of the commons. Democratic because we seek to establish not a �dictatorship of the proletariat� but a democratic leadership of the oppressed, capable of preventing the oppressors from coming back to power and upheld by the consent of the freed. And revolutionary because while we pursue non-violent forms of resistance under present conditions what we seek are not just reforms but nothing less than an entirely new civilization.

We believe this entails a multi-pronged, undogmatic, and always mutable approach. For one, it means participating in elections in a new way: by campaigning autonomously from liberal parties, by openly professing our identities as socialists, and by measuring victory not in terms of number of votes gained but in terms of number of minds freed.

Beyond elections, we will establish our own network of socialist cooperatives, social centers, community gardens, disaster relief channels, cultural and sports clubs, and so on. In short, we will build alternative institutions from within capitalism in order to supersede capitalism.

The goal is not to capture state power in the misguided belief that one can bring about socialism through an accumulation of reforms but to achieve collective self-liberation: to free the spirits of the oppressed from the prisons built by oppressors and to help create new subjectivities � ones that are willing and able to engage in the protracted struggle to build a new civilization.

To accomplish all this, we seek to found a qualitatively different party: an openly and proudly socialist party that is above-ground but still radical in its orientation.

Such an organization, to be most effective, must be grounded in the oppressed. It must be vigilantly autonomous from elites. It must uphold the autonomy of social movements. And it must build on lessons from other socialist projects, break with the self-defeating practices of the past, and dare to build nothing less than a new culture within and beyond the Left.

In line with this, we have adopted a Party Charter that introduces a number of innovations. To ensure that rank-and-file members are empowered, we shall assign leadership roles partly through sortition. We shall have not one chairperson but three �over-all facilitators� with limited terms in office and who are always subject to recall. And we shall put in place processes to ensure zero tolerance for all forms of violence and to attack cisheteropatriarchy in our own ranks. This is the prefigurative politics we seek to put into action � a party that by its very practices already gives us a glimpse of the free society we envision.

While our �mass base� is still narrow, we shall strive to expand beyond our current middle-class core. But more than that, we seek to try new ways of building such a movement � one in which everyone becomes their own leader and one in which the very act of participating in struggle becomes an act of collective self-liberation.

We recognize that we will face obstacles encountered by those just starting out and trying to do things differently. But we also hold that to not try at all because we are still small or new is to lose without even fighting. As we go through the birth pains of building a mass movement, we will welcome criticism and strive to be a party constantly seeking to renew ourselves.

Some will argue that it would be best to create a new party under better conditions. But we can�t afford to wait. Today, the apocalypse has already become a reality for all but the most sheltered. Even for those whose heads are still above water, life has become a daily struggle for dignity.

Fortunately, the old world is crumbling and a new one is struggling to emerge, its foundations having been built in part through the heroic accomplishments of existing socialist parties. To help make this world finally rise from the ground, we must ask questions long unasked and embark on routes previously shunned. The stakes could not be bigger. To borrow from Rosa Luxemburg and other comrades: we have a world to win and a world to defeat.

# ? Jan 29, 2024 02:45

Harik: Sep 9, 2001; From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars; Plaster Town Cop

is every ousted speaker titled 'emerita' or is it just pelosi (and then immediately afterwards McCarthy, lol)

# ? Jan 29, 2024 02:46

sullat: Jan 9, 2012

Harik posted:

is every ousted speaker titled 'emerita' or is it just pelosi (and then immediately afterwards McCarthy, lol)

I think she just gets it to remind everyone that she still calls the shots, like how Plutarcho was the 'Maximum Chief' even after he was no longer president.

# ? Jan 29, 2024 02:51

fizziester: Dec 21, 2023

mawarannahr posted:

Eh, she's probably not wrong. Putin has become very pro-Hamas for larger geopolitical reasons, and we know that his administration has a history of attempting to exert political influence in the US by funding and supporting various groups that oppose mainstream US political stances, especially on things like foreign policy, while also using social media and propaganda outlets to spread anti-establishment messages. It's unlikely that this is primarily responsible for the protests, but I'd be shocked if Russia wasn't at least trying to help out in the very few ways it's capable of doing.

I can't even really blame her for being suspicious about the protests. As someone who's been in politics for decades, she's extremely familiar with how the vast majority of the American people, historically, have never given the slightest poo poo about Palestine. The fact that people are out there protesting against the slaughter of innocent Palestinians by the Israeli army is just another sign of how absolutely bonkers US politics have gotten in the past few years; something like that would have been unthinkable a decade ago.

syq

# ? Jan 29, 2024 03:05

Nichael: Mar 30, 2011

Harik posted:

is every ousted speaker titled 'emerita' or is it just pelosi (and then immediately afterwards McCarthy, lol)

it's a title that's existed for a long time but only with pelosi did they start saying it. curious!

# ? Jan 29, 2024 03:08

fizziester: Dec 21, 2023

insane clown pussy posted:

Eh, she's probably not wrong. Putin has become very pro-Hamas for larger geopolitical reasons, and we know that his administration has a history of attempting to exert political influence in the US by funding and supporting various groups that oppose mainstream US political stances, especially on things like foreign policy, while also using social media and propaganda outlets to spread anti-establishment messages. It's unlikely that this is primarily responsible for the protests, but I'd be shocked if Russia wasn't at least trying to help out in the very few ways it's capable of doing.

I can't even really blame her for being suspicious about the protests. As someone who's been in politics for decades, she's extremely familiar with how the vast majority of the American people, historically, have never given the slightest poo poo about Palestine. The fact that people are out there protesting against the slaughter of innocent Palestinians by the Israeli army is just another sign of how absolutely bonkers US politics have gotten in the past few years; something like that would have been unthinkable a decade ago.

syq

# ? Jan 29, 2024 03:09

fizziester: Dec 21, 2023

Mostly Lurking posted:

Protesting against the current administration and eroding support in the aims of throwing the election to Trump are definitely things Putin wants.

Terror attacks against Israel have been one of the biggest boons to Putin in the whole war against Ukraine.

syq

# ? Jan 29, 2024 03:14

RadiRoot: Feb 3, 2007

fizziester posted:

syq

it�s true. this coming from a paid agent of the russian propagandist wing. good signing bonus too if you want in.

# ? Jan 29, 2024 03:24

Dr. Jerrold Coe: Feb 6, 2021; Is it me?

Yes please tell us why you think that George Soros (rich dude / left-wing donor that a ton of anti-semites make conspiracy theories about because he is Jewish) is trying to sow discord and chaos within America. To everyone who steadfastly refuses to understand that you get associated with your allies, this is an example of the people you are walking arm in arm with and getting yourself and the organizations you are in generally associated with.

# ? Jan 29, 2024 03:36

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

Uncle Wemus posted:

How wonderful! I would love to see the former Democratic First Ladies come together also. President Biden has accomplished more than any other President in his first term and he isn't done yet. People just got a little too used to flashy trashy drama and forgot that dignity, decency and decorum from the White House is the norm. I love our President Biden and the example he and Dr Jill set for all Americans.

when you can't tell whether it's syq or satire....

# ? Jan 29, 2024 04:08

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

screaming "allahu akbar" near ground zero and the White House so I can get my putin bux.

# ? Jan 29, 2024 04:11

Uncle Wemus: Mar 4, 2004

Russia has a history of fomenting protests in the U.S. to serve their agenda, so I wouldn't put this past them.

# ? Jan 29, 2024 04:15

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1751695741519610150
https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1751706721649627451

the open source intelligence community has zero long term memory

the iraq war was my political awakening and goddamn is it painful to have to live with knowing that nobody faced any consequences and nobody learned any lessons.

# ? Jan 29, 2024 04:38

fizziester: Dec 21, 2023

Dr. Jerrold Coe posted:

Yes please tell us why you think that George Soros (rich dude / left-wing donor that a ton of anti-semites make conspiracy theories about because he is Jewish) is trying to sow discord and chaos within America. To everyone who steadfastly refuses to understand that you get associated with your allies, this is an example of the people you are walking arm in arm with and getting yourself and the organizations you are in generally associated with.

syq

# ? Jan 29, 2024 04:42

fizziester: Dec 21, 2023

Uncle Wemus posted:

Russia has a history of fomenting protests in the U.S. to serve their agenda, so I wouldn't put this past them.

syq

# ? Jan 29, 2024 04:43

fizziester: Dec 21, 2023

Willa Rogers posted:

screaming "allahu akbar" near ground zero and the White House so I can get my putin bux.

syq

# ? Jan 29, 2024 04:48

my bony fealty: Oct 1, 2008

chair lunch dinner posted:

One of the worst days in recent memory is whatever day liberals found out about "gently caress Around And Find Out"

didn't it originate with anarchists? it was always liberals

# ? Jan 29, 2024 04:54

my bony fealty: Oct 1, 2008

gradenko_2000 posted:

and now for some local succ:

[OPINION] Why we are forming a new socialist party

I am begging social democrats to just once comprehend Marxism

# ? Jan 29, 2024 04:56

PhilippAchtel: May 31, 2011

In Training posted:

From?

Check your Putin messages

# ? Jan 29, 2024 04:59

MadSparkle: Aug 7, 2012; Can Bernie count on you to add to our chest's mad sparkle? Can you spare a little change for an old buccaneer?

Uncle Wemus posted:

Russia has a history of fomenting protests in the U.S. to serve their agenda, so I wouldn't put this past them.

Nancy aipac sock puppet trying to dilute potency of protests and indirectly threaten, wouldn't put it past her either

# ? Jan 29, 2024 05:08

Vim Fuego: Jun 1, 2000; Ultra Carp

CLAM DOWN posted:

# ? Jan 29, 2024 05:11

RadiRoot: Feb 3, 2007

https://twitter.com/kilday_morgan/status/1751400375645605907

taxes are up like mine? you can thank trump for that.

# ? Jan 29, 2024 05:14

The Demilich: Apr 9, 2020; The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.

joepinetree posted:

Remember when Clinton made it so that immigration decisions were not subject to judicial review and that anyone ever caught illegally in the US was barred from even applying for a visa? No way republicans can call democrats soft on immigration after that

Remember when even minor interactions with the police, like traffic stops, required a check of immigration status of a person, leading to an all time record of deportations? No way republicans can call democrats soft on immigration after that

Remember when the Obama went to court to declare that it did not have to provide sanitary conditions to the children it was detaining? No way republicans can call democrats soft on immigration after that

Remember when Obama ramped up the "Consequence Delivery System" to brutalize immigrants so much they decide not to come? No way republicans can call democrats soft on immigration after that

Remember when Biden made it so that the border wall did not have to comply with a bunch of regulations? No way republicans can call democrats soft on immigration after that

Anyways, if only Biden makes it so immigration officials do not even have to wait for asylum decisions to start kicking people out, I am sure there is no way republicans can call democrats soft on immigration after that

Yeah but have you considered VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!???

# ? Jan 29, 2024 05:14

the_steve: Nov 9, 2005; We're always hiring!

The Demilich posted:

Yeah but have you considered VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!???

You're right, orange man is bad. We can't focus on any of these other glaring issues when orange man is bad and tweets rudely.

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Plank Walker: Aug 11, 2005

imagine thinking the us is bad

you cant without the help of uncle vlad

# ? Jan 29, 2024 06:26

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

RadiRoot posted:

https://twitter.com/kilday_morgan/status/1751400375645605907

taxes are up like mine? you can thank trump for that.

nothing she said makes any sense.

and if she isn't an enrolled tax agent she shouldn't be loving with friends & family taxes.

# ? Jan 29, 2024 06:33

RadiRoot: Feb 3, 2007

Willa Rogers posted:

nothing she said makes any sense.

and if she isn't an enrolled tax agent she shouldn't be loving with friends & family taxes.

its because trump

also

https://twitter.com/kilday_morgan/status/1751502416141242481

# ? Jan 29, 2024 06:41

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

I was right: she's full of poo poo.

also she shouldn't be doing other people's taxes if she's this much of a dumbo.

# ? Jan 29, 2024 06:43

Sancho Banana: Aug 4, 2023; Not to be confused with meat.

https://twitter.com/Roots_Action/status/1751040948640067642?t=73D988DlSdcK2npc-JKqSg&s=19

# ? Jan 29, 2024 07:20

Nichael: Mar 30, 2011

Sancho Banana posted:

https://twitter.com/Roots_Action/status/1751040948640067642?t=73D988DlSdcK2npc-JKqSg&s=19

wow! based white house!

# ? Jan 29, 2024 07:26

galagazombie: Oct 31, 2011; A silly little mouse!

is pepsi ok posted:

the iraq war was my political awakening and goddamn is it painful to have to live with knowing that nobody faced any consequences and nobody learned any lessons.

Plenty of people learned the lessons, they�re just kept locked out of any form of political power, elected office, or media visibility by the powers that be.

# ? Jan 29, 2024 07:28

Lin-Manuel Turtle: Jul 12, 2023

[LAURENS & HAMILTON/LAFAYETTE/MULLIGAN]
Ev�rybody sing:
Whoa, whoa, whoa (whoa, whoa, whoa)
Hey!
Whoa (Whoa)
Wooh!!
Whoa! (Whoa)
Said let �em hear ya! (Yea)
Let�s go!

# ? Jan 29, 2024 07:40

Ytlaya: Nov 13, 2005

Punished Turtle posted:

[LAURENS & HAMILTON/LAFAYETTE/MULLIGAN]
Ev’rybody sing:
Whoa, whoa, whoa (whoa, whoa, whoa)
Hey!
Whoa (Whoa)
Wooh!!
Whoa! (Whoa)
Said let ‘em hear ya! (Yea)
Let’s go!

I'm getting excited from this music, and dancing IRL. Hit my foot on the elliptical in my room, but I'm still smiling as I imagine Lin Manual Miranda dropping some beats while also informing the public about American history.

# ? Jan 29, 2024 07:48

fizziester: Dec 21, 2023

Punished Turtle posted:

[LAURENS & HAMILTON/LAFAYETTE/MULLIGAN]
Ev’rybody sing:
Whoa, whoa, whoa (whoa, whoa, whoa)
Hey!
Whoa (Whoa)
Wooh!!
Whoa! (Whoa)
Said let ‘em hear ya! (Yea)
Let’s go!

syq

# ? Jan 29, 2024 07:49

Seyser Koze: Dec 15, 2013; Mucho Mucho; Nap Ghost

The only time I've heard the phrase "moral luck" used was in a sci-fi novel as a thought experiment. (We agree that somebody who doesn't properly care for their vehicle, who ends up killing a pedestrian when their brakes fail, is guilty of manslaughter. So logically, we should check other people's brakes and, if they're not up to snuff, charge them with attempted manslaughter).

The character who proposed the idea was a possibly-malevolent alien speaking to a mentally ill woman who believed The President (no particular president, just The President) was secretly sending her orders to kill subsersives.

I have no idea what kiwifarms lady is talking about.

# ? Jan 29, 2024 08:27

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Seyser Koze posted:

I have no idea what kiwifarms lady is talking about.

"sure, supporting Palestine just happens to be the morally correct position to take, but you're not actually a morally upstanding person, you just lucked into it"

# ? Jan 29, 2024 08:30

Seyser Koze: Dec 15, 2013; Mucho Mucho; Nap Ghost

alright I guess that makes se- wait no it doesn't

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# ? May 24, 2024 15:08

1stGear: Jan 16, 2010; Here's to the new us.

Didn't you get assigned all the ethical and political stances you would have to take for the rest of your life when you turned 18?

# ? Jan 29, 2024 08:39

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