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Shiroc posted:I think it maaaaaay have been a mistake to say that the vaccines were absolutely perfectly protective against infection with zero side effects and that anything suggesting otherwise is lunatic antivaxx. Now, now. This is how we defeated the vibedemic
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NeonPunk posted:My brother finally popped positive after 6 days of symptoms so it does really wildly varies. Yeah, that's also how I got got more than a year ago. Brother was symptomatic on Monday, tested negative on PCR and rapid, fully recovered but started sneezing repeatedly on Saturday when he went to say his good byes.
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Jan 29, 2024 00:22
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Didn't someone post an article a while back on how people perceive "flu shot" and "influenza vaccine" differently? Anyway, if people are internalizing "covid's just a flu" but still getting only flu shots, maybe someone in public health policy should I dunno figure out why and do something about it? Just a thought...
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Jan 29, 2024 00:27
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silicone thrills posted:I stopped after number 3 because each time i got one the side effects were getting worse for me and that was with switching it up on brands. I stopped after four even though I'm technically high risk, the side effects were just so extreme and would knock me out for days and then three months after getting vaccinated a new variant would be dominant and that protection meant nothing. I wear my Aura when I go out, I'm only ever out for thirty minutes a week, and people close to me are pretty good about masking so it just doesn't seem worth it anymore.
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Jan 29, 2024 00:32
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Precambrian Video Games posted:Didn't someone post an article a while back on how people perceive "flu shot" and "influenza vaccine" differently? "God gave you two arms, one for the flu shot and one for COVID."
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Jan 29, 2024 00:36
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Shiroc posted:I think it maaaaaay have been a mistake to say that the vaccines were absolutely perfectly protective against infection with zero side effects and that anything suggesting otherwise is lunatic antivaxx. It’s like every one of those intense propaganda efforts, about saving proper masks for healthcare workers, just the flu, the vaccine is perfect one and done etc etc has created more and more knock on effects. People are right to be skeptical because they have obviously been lied to for years now, but with no ability to discern what the lies where and why they were told, they end up believing the virus was never real or whatever.
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Jan 29, 2024 01:26
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"lmao" doesn't quite cover it.https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2024/01/25/library-congress-covid-oral-history/ posted:Library of Congress launches covid oral history project
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Jan 29, 2024 02:15
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Hellequin posted:I stopped after four even though I'm technically high risk, the side effects were just so extreme and would knock me out for days and then three months after getting vaccinated a new variant would be dominant and that protection meant nothing. I wear my Aura when I go out, I'm only ever out for thirty minutes a week, and people close to me are pretty good about masking so it just doesn't seem worth it anymore. If you haven't gotten Novavax yet it might be worth checking out. I had increasingly strong reactions to each mRNA shot, from basically nothing from the initial one to two days of pain from the new booster in September. I got Novavaxxed maybe two weeks ago and all I had was some minor pain at the injection site for a day. I know vaccines don't do that much but if you can get 'em for free they're better than nothing.
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Jan 29, 2024 03:06
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I think probably the biggest cause of vaccine hesitancy is the antivaxxers vocally blaming every goddamn thing on the vaccine, and since covid is just a cold now, being almost unchallenged. The government can't come out and say these increases in heart attacks and strokes are actually because of the loving virus that we knew from almost day 1 caused clots and worse. When my friend told me he had to take his kid to the ER with heart palpitations, of course I didnt crow about "not normal for a healthy 12 year old to have heart trouble, how many times has he had covid????" because im not a complete dickhole. If it actually got real bad, I don't want to be the guy who made him feel like he permanently damaged his son because he abandoned all precautions. But the antivax assholes in his life are sure to tell him it was the vaccine! Maybe he gets angry at them, but it's sure to stick in his mind. And he's not gonna get the kid vaxxed again, that's for sure. "Boys get myocarditis from the vax, everyone knows that now". It's gotta be public health hammering the truth home, not an individual responsibility. But they've been telling white lies and "meeting people halfway" for four years now.
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Jan 29, 2024 03:47
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Baddog posted:I think probably the biggest cause of vaccine hesitancy is the antivaxxers vocally blaming every goddamn thing on the vaccine, and since covid is just a cold now, being almost unchallenged. The government can't come out and say these increases in heart attacks and strokes are actually because of the loving virus that we knew from almost day 1 caused clots and worse. "Vaccinated people are immune and can't spread the virus" isn't a white lie, though. Neither was shortening the isolation period to five days (and in CA to one now). Or telling people masks don't work and only grudgingly and haltingly admitting that wasn't true after months. Or putting infectious people in nursing homes. Public health officials killed tens of thousands of people who didn't have to die, maybe hundreds, because it was politically expedient and number needed more blood. Like I get what you're saying but the authorities aren't on the side of the angels. The entire immunity debt canard is anti-vax conspiracism getting mainstreamed into public health via the back door, for example. I'm not really trying to make point at your expense or suggest you should shout at your friend about his kid being in the ER because of the virus, but at this point anti vaxxers and almost the entire PH institution in the West are going to bat for the same side: interventions are bad, number is good, the disease is mild, back to normal.
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Jan 29, 2024 04:25
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The Oldest Man posted:"Vaccinated people are immune and can't spread the virus" isn't a white lie, though. Neither was shortening the isolation period to five days (and in CA to one now). Or telling people masks don't work and only grudgingly and haltingly admitting that wasn't true after months. Or putting infectious people in nursing homes. Public health officials killed tens of thousands of people who didn't have to die, maybe hundreds, because it was politically expedient and number needed more blood. Like I get what you're saying but the authorities aren't on the side of the angels. The entire immunity debt canard is anti-vax conspiracism getting mainstreamed into public health via the back door, for example. Yah I used "white lie" from their perspective... cus I dont think most (any) of the people in public health are actually evil. But the school of thought that you need to twist the truth to make it more palatable, or for what someone deems the greater good (save masks for healthcare, don't cause a panic, get more people to take the initial vaccine), and only push as far as not getting too much pushback... Expediency like you said, above all. I think that is pretty much at the root of why antivax won. Politicians running public health, not scientists.
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Jan 29, 2024 04:50
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Leaping to kill masking in order to undermine OSHA rules was pretty loving evil though, beyond any (best faith) deeply misguided messaging lies.
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Jan 29, 2024 05:09
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Baddog posted:Yah I used "white lie" from their perspective... cus I dont think most (any) of the people in public health are actually evil. But the school of thought that you need to twist the truth to make it more palatable, or for what someone deems the greater good (save masks for healthcare, don't cause a panic, get more people to take the initial vaccine), and only push as far as not getting too much pushback... Expediency like you said, above all. I think that is pretty much at the root of why antivax won. Politicians running public health, not scientists. You'd need to be criminally incompetent to be a public health official and honestly consider messaging strategies like this as "white lies." The most generous possible interpretation is that some people viewed lying as legitimate harm reduction, but only in the sense that they believed economic harm outweighed nearly any number of dead bodies. These narratives were harmful in ways that were incredibly obvious to non-experts and shouldn't have required a moment's thoughts for people involved in any kind of healthcare or public health management.
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Jan 29, 2024 05:20
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Baddog posted:Yah I used "white lie" from their perspective... cus I dont think most (any) of the people in public health are actually evil. But the school of thought that you need to twist the truth to make it more palatable, or for what someone deems the greater good (save masks for healthcare, don't cause a panic, get more people to take the initial vaccine), and only push as far as not getting too much pushback... Expediency like you said, above all. I think that is pretty much at the root of why antivax won. Politicians running public health, not scientists. I mean just curious but if someone believes they told a white lie and that resulted in like ten thousand deaths, is that evil to you
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Jan 29, 2024 07:00
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Shiroc posted:Leaping to kill masking in order to undermine OSHA rules was pretty loving evil though, beyond any (best faith) deeply misguided messaging lies.
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Jan 29, 2024 07:32
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https://x.com/anordinarygirl/status/1751640601437544755?s=46
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Jan 29, 2024 07:38
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Ugh, you could afford better Brad Pitt, if the purpose of that is to keep you from getting covid.
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Jan 29, 2024 07:43
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Or even paint fumes. It's for covid though.
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Jan 29, 2024 07:44
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Plague Inc is on sale on PlayStation. Recommendable?
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Jan 29, 2024 07:57
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Frosted Flake posted:I went for a light nordic ski, I planned for about 3 hours, yesterday after work. About 2 hours in I felt nauseous, then clumsy, then weak, and then I could barely get out of my bindings and stay conscious while I sat down and propped myself up against a tree. It took me about 20 minutes to recover. from a few pages back but after I had COVID in Nov I asked this thread and then followed a more conservative version of this https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/how-and-when-to-start-exercising-again-after-covid-19 the first couple times I went alpine skiing I noticed that even taking it easy my max heart rate would spike to higher than last year's max by about 5%. Concerning. However, now I've skiied a total of about 24hrs (not incl lift time) over 12-14 days out for 100k vertical and I do not feel at all impaired compared to last year and my max, avg and recovery HR is the same as it's been the last few years. I'm not ruling out a random heart attack or stroke until something else kills me, though lol nordic, do you hate yourself THAT much?  god dang canadians, they're so close to me physically but they act like a different species
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Jan 29, 2024 08:32
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The Oldest Man posted:"Vaccinated people are immune and can't spread the virus" isn't a white lie, though. Neither was shortening the isolation period to five days (and in CA to one now). Or telling people masks don't work and only grudgingly and haltingly admitting that wasn't true after months. Or putting infectious people in nursing homes. Public health officials killed tens of thousands of people who didn't have to die, maybe hundreds, because it was politically expedient and number needed more blood. Like I get what you're saying but the authorities aren't on the side of the angels. The entire immunity debt canard is anti-vax conspiracism getting mainstreamed into public health via the back door, for example. Yeah, since public discussion happened entirely within the parameters set by the capitalis class we had one side that had a bunch of wunderwaffen that would/had solved covid and that time people were supposed to feel bad when meeting friends after work was a lockdown. The other side was just demolishing germ theory. Both agreed that any interference in capitalist run production processes was the height of authoritanism.
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Jan 29, 2024 09:25
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Insanite posted:bumming ppl out by accurately describing reality is a lockdown
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Jan 29, 2024 09:44
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DominoKitten posted:Ugh, you could afford better Brad Pitt, if the purpose of that is to keep you from getting covid. you're a millionaire/billionaire and yet you wear some garbage, like gently caress come on Steve Yun posted:Plague Inc is on sale on PlayStation. Recommendable?
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Jan 29, 2024 09:49
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my flo spray is almost out and last week i went to buy some only to balk as it was near $30 for a bottle prices are now back to new normal hmm wonder why 
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Jan 29, 2024 09:54
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The Oldest Man posted:I mean just curious but if someone believes they told a white lie and that resulted in like ten thousand deaths, is that evil to you I'd rather talk about how antivaxxers have somehow completely shifted consensus by just screeching "it's the vaccines" over and over. At least after public health almost completely vacated the conversation. A few doctors trying to have earnest one on ones with their patients about vaccine efficacy is not going to move the needle at this point. You're kind of hung up on this morality and general philosophy tangent though - because of my word choice while I was trying to make a point? Ok, if we are weighing up the stains on someone's immortal soul, or whatever proxy for a soul you believe in, yes I think intentions matter considerably. Not just outcomes. Someone can be narcissistic, egotistical, unprepared, dumb, lazy, weak, manipulative, obtuse, even all-of-the-above but still not be "evil".
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Jan 29, 2024 10:35
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Jan 29, 2024 10:55
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 beat on first try. I guess I knew what traits to evolve thanks to uh, the last 3 years
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Jan 29, 2024 11:20
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Steve Yun posted:beat on first try. I guess I knew what traits to evolve thanks to uh, the last 3 years 
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Jan 29, 2024 11:24
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new HK3 diss track dropped, JN1 spiraling https://x.com/00bohr/status/1751362209123352670?s=46
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Jan 29, 2024 11:42
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Steve Yun posted:new HK3 diss track dropped, JN1 spiraling HK.3 has already been clowned on by JN.1 worldwide, so I doubt it. If I were to guess, all of the (very tiny amount of) sequences are from a single lab, which for one reason or another mostly has HK.3.
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Jan 29, 2024 11:57
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I am not at all well-versed enough in this to grasp this article, but I don't like the sound of the title of this article. If someone with the knowledge to do so would like to give it a read and comment, that would be very nice. "Epigenetic repression of antiviral genes by SARS-CoV-2 NSP1" https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0297262 posted:Abstract
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Jan 29, 2024 12:25
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Haven't seen the European measles numbers before. It is pretty impressive! The article is pretty dumb, so I don't recommend the read:https://www.ft.com/content/0961aebd-b15f-460b-9fbc-9c2acd1f1570 posted:The worrying return of a nasty virus
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Jan 29, 2024 12:29
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Pingui posted:I am not at all well-versed enough in this to grasp this article, but I don't like the sound of the title of this article. If someone with the knowledge to do so would like to give it a read and comment, that would be very nice. It's nice that we're doing some research on the rest of the virus instead of focusing solely on just the spike protein at least.
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Jan 29, 2024 13:19
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Zantie posted:(..) Sadly this might be permanent. https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1act8c5/nitter_is_dead/?rdt=64205 posted:(..) Until they expire, other instances than the main can be looked up here: https://twiiit.com/
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Jan 29, 2024 14:30
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curse this predictable and foreseen result of enclosure
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Jan 29, 2024 14:36
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Thoguh posted:Welp, got the ‘Give up on trying to avoid COVID or go on the spreadsheet’ ultimatum. Attempting to at least hold my ground on indoor dining. gently caress public health and all authorities in this country and may my and my child’s cases be mild and infrequent. Sadly this sort of thing became inevitable when "wait, you don't want to be sick??" became the norm. Because then it makes you the weirdo/pain in the rear end who buzzkills everyone else's fun. Pingui posted:Haven't seen the European measles numbers before. It is pretty impressive! The article is pretty dumb, so I don't recommend the read:
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Jan 29, 2024 14:52
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Paradoxish posted:The most generous possible interpretation is that some people viewed lying as legitimate harm reduction, but only in the sense that they believed economic harm outweighed nearly any number of dead bodies. "The economy" such that it exists in the US is a vacuum cleaner directing the economic output of hundreds of millions of people into the pockets of 150 families, so "people must die to keep the economy healthy" is an evil thing in and of itself. There's no reason we couldn't have made permanent adjustments to how we do business and handle schooling and healthcare in this country to keep people alive and well; we just didn't because it meant some minor percentage of economic activity would have been spent on those things rather than being siphoned to the top. And that would have been the true horror scenario.
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Jan 29, 2024 15:40
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:"The economy" such that it exists in the US is a vacuum cleaner directing the economic output of hundreds of millions of people into the pockets of 150 families, so "people must die to keep the economy healthy" is an evil thing in and of itself. There's no reason we couldn't have made permanent adjustments to how we do business and handle schooling and healthcare in this country to keep people alive and well; we just didn't because it meant some minor percentage of economic activity would have been spent on those things rather than being siphoned to the top. And that would have been the true horror scenario. 
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Jan 29, 2024 16:08
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Baddog posted:I think probably the biggest cause of vaccine hesitancy is the antivaxxers vocally blaming every goddamn thing on the vaccine, and since covid is just a cold now, being almost unchallenged. The government can't come out and say these increases in heart attacks and strokes are actually because of the loving virus that we knew from almost day 1 caused clots and worse. I'm in a similar boat, a friend of mine just had a miscarriage. She had covid early on in the pregnancy, I know that covid increases the chances of a miscarriage, but I'm not going to tell my friend that her being reckless with covid may have caused her miscarriage. Especially right now while she's really sad that she's not having a baby anymore. In a more sane world public health would be putting out PSAs about covid and the many potential problems it can cause.
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Jan 29, 2024 16:34
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Shoot I'm looking at the wastewater data and it's showing a decline. And yet I doubt that's the case because right now it does seem like we're on the rapid rise again. Several coworkers called out, my little sister and her boyfriend is sick and my mom is being inundated with tons of calls to get her sub for tons of teachers out sick (but it's okay because it'll be a light workload because tons of students are out sick too)
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