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mawarannahr posted:Karl Poppers Karls Popper
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Jan 25, 2024 17:00
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In Training posted:cracked open Foreigner's Guide to Socialism with Chinese Characteristics and it's fairly sick. thanks for putting the work in Roland I keep trying to find that in piratable epub format but alas,
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Jan 25, 2024 17:47
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Mandel Brotset posted:I keep trying to find that in piratable epub format but alas, Roland Boer Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners 9789811616211, 9789811616228 Is this it? You can find it.
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Jan 25, 2024 18:39
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I am in fact reading a pirated PDF myself. Not an epub but I'm sure it's out there.
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Jan 25, 2024 18:50
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mawarannahr posted:Karl Poppers quite the butt-fuckable bitch
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Jan 25, 2024 20:06
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anybody else have PTSD at popper's name from some dipshit in old d&d that loved him
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Jan 25, 2024 20:12
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Already had PTSD from a mandatory philosophy of science course at uni. Popper can kiss my whole rear end in a top hat.
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Jan 25, 2024 22:13
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Raskolnikov38 posted:anybody else have PTSD at popper's name from some dipshit in old d&d that loved him i just associate it with ultra gay raving now for some reason
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Jan 25, 2024 23:01
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Orange Devil posted:Already had PTSD from a mandatory philosophy of science course at uni. Popper can kiss my whole rear end in a top hat. Among other things, the justification for a lot of social policies being invalidated can be traced back to not having “scientific validity”, even though they had efficacy. Like, there is a concrete benefit in having investment in the arts for education, but because it is immaterial in quantitative terms and thus are entirely subjective, reproducibility becomes questionable. For example, art classes in schools located in wealthier neighborhoods provide “more” in certain metrics, but art classes in poorer schools do not provide the same effects; because this scientific discourse advocates for historical indeterminacy, saying that art education is socially inefficient is completely valid because historical circumstances must not factor in order to make it a true hypothesis.
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Jan 25, 2024 23:02
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oh yeah? care to falsify that? oh what's that? you can't? heh...
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Jan 25, 2024 23:12
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Paul Feyerabend, one of Popper's students, super hated that bullshit and wrote Against Method, which is an excellent book that I highly recommend. It even has a synopsis at the beginning, so it's easy to pick the chapters that sound interesting. He spends the book trying to show that science is fundamentally irrational, and that what most people think of as science is a collection of knowledge-traditions that have been so celebrated that they have excluded all others. A given knowledge-tradition might be useful for finding truth in a certain domain, but we can't expect one monolithic method to encompass all possible ways of knowing.Against Method by Paul Feyerabend posted:True, science and related institutions play an important part in our culture, and they occupy the centre of interest for many philosophers (most philosophers are opportunists). Thus the ideas of the Popperian school were obtained by generalizing solutions for methodological and epistemological problems. Critical rationalism arose from the attempt to understand the Einsteinian revolution, and it was then extended to politics and even to the conduct of one's private life. Such a procedure may satisfy a school philosopher, who looks at life through the spectacles of his own technical problems and recognizes hatred, love, happiness, only to the extent to which they occur in these problems. But if we consider human interests and, above all, the question of human freedom (freedom from hunger, despair, from the tyranny of constipated systems of thought and not the academic 'freedom of the will'), then we are proceeding in the worst possible fashion. For is it not possible that science as we know it today, or a 'search for the truth' in the style of traditional philosophy, will create a monster? Is it not possible that an objective approach that frowns upon personal connections between the entities examined will harm people, tum them into miserable, unfriendly, self righteous mechanisms without charm and humour?
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Jan 26, 2024 01:21
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:Roland Boer i made a rogan-brained extended family member buy me this for secret santa. i recommend getting it that way if you can.
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Jan 26, 2024 02:02
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Cuttlefush posted:oh yeah? care to falsify that? oh what's that? you can't? heh... falsify that 🖕
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Jan 26, 2024 09:19
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dead gay comedy forums posted:If I am guessing right, a lot of your issues come from what we call "scientific discourse" in general terms, as established by people like Karl Popper in his ideas of epistemology. For this crew, what can be defined as "scientific" is essentially a criteria that can be only met in the physical sciences; falsifiability is something that excludes almost all possibility of "science" in the social field. Ironically, by similar conditions and circumstances, Darwinism isn't "scientific" and this led Popper to devote some rather huge efforts into criticizing it, even though scientists in biology were hitting back hard and going "dude wtf" at him and others for being ridiculous - biologists did already address and solve many of the concerns Popper raised during his critique. What's especially funny about the Popper case is that after fielding those criticisms, Popper finally admitted in his later lectures the validity of what he would term a "metaphysical research program" — that is, a framework for generating testable theories — to give the evolutionary biologists their due. He was kinda quiet on the implications of this for his dismissal of Marxism, for some reason!
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Jan 26, 2024 15:21
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this Roland boer book slaps. Probably too textbook-y to be an instant recommend from me, but absolutely a fantastic resource I will revisit and reuse to share with comrades who still have vestiges of western liberalism impeding their understanding of China and the state of global socialism. It's very nice to have well thought out, English translated perspectives on Chinese Marxism that cuts through so much worthless sinophobia and apocalyptic nihilism. Still early - just going through the perspectives of deng and the development of dialectical materialism as the foundational philosophy of multiple sciences. Especially like the perspective of non-antagonistic contradictions, and the ability of a mature socialist state to peacefully develop a "unity in struggle" approach. very funny quote from Chinese Marxists at a conference who viewed revolution as "the easy part". the west is so so so underdeveloped lol
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Jan 26, 2024 18:15
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lol revolution is absolutely the easiest part nobody finished building socialism after all, so creating the alternative is a tremendously experimental process even today
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Jan 26, 2024 19:14
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In Training posted:It's very nice to have well thought out, English translated perspectives on Chinese Marxism that cuts through so much worthless sinophobia and apocalyptic nihilism. with the amount of manpower the cpc has its disposal they should dedicate some ppl to this imo
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Jan 26, 2024 22:20
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mila kunis posted:with the amount of manpower the cpc has its disposal they should dedicate some ppl to this imo ben norton is going to school at a chinese university, i imagine that’s about as close to cadre training as it gets
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Jan 26, 2024 22:28
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I wasn't familiar with Popper - I'll be cautious about the term falsify in the future. That's not what I was trying to say . I'll try to clarify it a bit. First - I'm fully on board with LTV and surplus labor. While there may not be 'perfect' unfettered free capitalism examples, every execution of capitalism in practice has exploited labor. There's also a mountain of evidence to support it, many statistically sound studies. The counter arguments even in theory are rather weak. The 'perfectively competive' market theory starts failing with simple additions like barriers to entry. One of the most horrifying things I've witnessed first hand is watching two different people struggle with the basics of finance get introduced to Capital and "getting it". A light bulb goes off and they understand their path to "success" or self enrichment is best achieved by exploiting others. In regards to the IMF specifically, they're not "opposite" Marxism. There's many different economic theories and the reality is complicated enough there aren't really opposites, rather many varying theories. I suspect the IMF uses TRPF as one of many variables in long term forecasting. As biased as they are, they're more of a for profit bank than they are a research institute. I'll have a follow up about trpf more specifically.
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Jan 27, 2024 04:38
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I started listening Matt Christman's series on the Spanish Civil War, I can't imagine we're getting any more episodes given his health stuff. Is there a good book about the build up + the war?
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Jan 29, 2024 17:01
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The East Is Still Red by Carlos Martinez is also really good at dismantling the various myths about China. It also has a billion footnotes which helps if you want to use the same western sources Martinez used to shoot down the cinophobic scarestory. It's quite fluently written iirc
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Jan 29, 2024 17:42
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it’s been a decade or so since I’ve read it but I think beevor’s book on the SCW was fine. he definitely covers Spain preceding the second republic as I can remember an amusing story of the (then) last king of Spain getting his car stuck in the mud e: like he definitely has an anti-communist and anti-Stalinist bent to his analysis but if you want basic facts and overview of the war it’s fine e2: Spain in our hearts is also very good but focuses on the American volunteers and FDRs complicity in Franco’s victory Raskolnikov38 has issued a correction as of 17:59 on Jan 29, 2024 |
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Jan 29, 2024 17:55
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Raskolnikov38 posted:it’s been a decade or so since I’ve read it but I think beevor’s book on the SCW was fine. he definitely covers Spain preceding the second republic as I can remember an amusing story of the (then) last king of Spain getting his car stuck in the mud absolutely adore that the americans who fought with the Spanish Republicans and returned to america after the war were entirely frozen out of command roles in the US army even though they were among the only people available in the US who had any experience of modern war
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Jan 29, 2024 19:25
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bedpan posted:absolutely adore that the americans who fought with the Spanish Republicans and returned to america after the war were entirely frozen out of command roles in the US army even though they were among the only people available in the US who had any experience of modern war they were considered politically unreliable. it's an important consideration for a state that its officer corps be loyal to the regime, so it's imo just a consequence of the US being a bourgeois state. veterans of spain were also systematically denigrated in social-democratic countries like norway and denmark, which is imo more galling.
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Jan 29, 2024 19:59
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V. Illych L. posted:they were considered politically unreliable. it's an important consideration for a state that its officer corps be loyal to the regime, so it's imo just a consequence of the US being a bourgeois state. veterans of spain were also systematically denigrated in social-democratic countries like norway and denmark, which is imo more galling. also known as "left anticommunism"
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Jan 29, 2024 20:01
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Raskolnikov38 posted:it’s been a decade or so since I’ve read it but I think beevor’s book on the SCW was fine. he definitely covers Spain preceding the second republic as I can remember an amusing story of the (then) last king of Spain getting his car stuck in the mud I read this a few years ago and yeah even with Beevor's obvious anti-communist slant it was an informative read and made it very clear that despite whatever Beevor's feelings are re: the USSR they were Republican Spain's most important ally in the war (and their only real ally other than Mexico). You get a lot of detail on the farcical "non-intervention" committees, and you get a palpable sense of disgust for how the ruling classes of the UK and America implicitly aided the nationalists in dozens of ways. I got the impression Beevor was pretty even-handed with all the atrocity propaganda, and through his research and others it's made very clear that the nationalist death toll is at least 4-5 times the Republican death toll. There was an excellent documentary series that was made in the late '70s or early '80s by a British production company after Franco died. Major figures in the war like Enrique Lister and La Pasionaria were still alive at the time so it was interesting to hear their perspectives on the war several decades later after I'd read a lot about them from Beevor's book. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu5f9hp0IP4 MeatwadIsGod has issued a correction as of 20:25 on Jan 29, 2024 |
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Jan 29, 2024 20:22
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mila kunis posted:with the amount of manpower the cpc has its disposal they should dedicate some ppl to this imo I have started reading this since it was mentioned in the book: en.qstheory.cn It's dry as hell but also fascinating. Can't even fathom a western govt publishing an ideological journal like this as part of the regular function of the govt. Even a bourgeoise or reactionary one. I guess the equivalent is like The Economist.
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Jan 29, 2024 22:14
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V. Illych L. posted:they were considered politically unreliable. it's an important consideration for a state that its officer corps be loyal to the regime, so it's imo just a consequence of the US being a bourgeois state. veterans of spain were also systematically denigrated in social-democratic countries like norway and denmark, which is imo more galling. not really galling but instead revealing imo
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Jan 29, 2024 23:33
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homage to catalonia is short and probably worth a read as well if just for the comedy of the most oblivious british gringo stumbling blindly through the civil war
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Jan 30, 2024 00:10
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this is going to be long, and I could be completely wrong about this, but I've had this idea in my head for about a week and I need to let it out. first, a segment from Andreas Malm's "Fossil Capital"     ...    Malm's point here is fairly simple: the distributive characteristics of water-power made it, by its very nature, anti-competitive and requiring of a level of collective coordination. If you relied on water mills as your source of power, whatever money you saved from not needing to buy fuel would be counteracted by things like an inability to scale up easily, being bound to the geography of the land, having to run any changes in your power consumption through the rest of the people settled along the river, and so on and so on. And that's [part of] why it was summarily rejected by capitalists in favor of coal power, which had none of those, from their perspective, restrictions. ___ next, a segment from Mike Davis's "Victorian Holocausts"      ...  here, Davis is describing the hydrological struggle in China, and particularly how successes and failures to control waterways was a determining factor in the fate of entire regimes. I don't know if I'm just tilting at watermills, grasping at straws, whatever, but I can't help but feel like a big difference between the acceptance of centralization between the Chinese and English scenarios is that it was never existential for the English. For them, the decision to engage in water-based engineering was merely a matter of profit-taking. For China, they lived and died by the course of the Yangtze/Yellow rivers, and the subsequent flooding and irrigation that it produced.
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Jan 30, 2024 04:45
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gradenko_2000 posted:this is going to be long, and I could be completely wrong about this, but I've had this idea in my head for about a week and I need to let it out. Do the books go into detail with regards to the United States' attempts at canal building shortly before the railroad boom? Although I guess it does reinforce the thought you've been bouncing around. Since the United States can basically burn all the fossil fuels in the world to enable their individualist lifestyles for decades on end it is easy for the average American to be convinced that they don't need any such thing like city planning or infrastructure maintenance. It's also reflected in the different uses of contemporary technologies. EVs in the US are basically all big luxury automobiles while BYD in China got their start with EV public transportation and then moved onto EV automobiles.
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Jan 30, 2024 06:52
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Raskolnikov38 posted:it’s been a decade or so since I’ve read it but I think beevor’s book on the SCW was fine. he definitely covers Spain preceding the second republic as I can remember an amusing story of the (then) last king of Spain getting his car stuck in the mud Thanks! Even Matt mentioned in the podcast episode that most histories he found were very liberal, kind of surprised there hasn't been a "leftist" book on the war. There is a pretty active Lincoln Brigade organization that publishes old letters and stuff if anyone is interested. https://albavolunteer.org/
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Jan 30, 2024 18:04
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there is for sure 100% a fair amount of left-wing stuff by people not named george orwell in other languages than english menn i mørket is a norwegian-language autobiographical account where a fifth or so is about spain and the rest is about being the head of Communist Gladio in occupied norway, and ung må verden ennu være is a novel where about a third of it is in spain. there's several radicals who've written academic texts about it in norwegian, and about the experience of norwegian volunteers to spain, the Spanish Aid, etc. i don't know of a general history á la beevor in norwegian from that perspective, but if our tiny language has this amount of stuff there surely must be something to be found in german, spanish, french, italian or russian
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Jan 30, 2024 21:23
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https://archive.org/details/spanishnotebooksmaisky whole bunch of stuff here, idk which ones are good though: https://www.marxists.org/subject/spain/index.htm
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Jan 30, 2024 23:08
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My kid asked me what marxism is today. I put him off by telling him it was bedtime but someone post a quick rundown of Marxism for a 10 year old please. Thanks in advance.
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Jan 31, 2024 06:10
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sullat posted:My kid asked me what marxism is today. I put him off by telling him it was bedtime but someone post a quick rundown of Marxism for a 10 year old please. Thanks in advance. here ya go "What is Marxism?", Emile Burns, 1939 posted:Marxism is a general theory of the world in which we live, and of human society as a part of that world. It takes its name from Karl Marx (1818-1883), who, together with Friedrich Engels (1820-1895), worked out the theory during the middle and latter part of last century.
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Jan 31, 2024 06:15
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sullat posted:My kid asked me what marxism is today. I put him off by telling him it was bedtime but someone post a quick rundown of Marxism for a 10 year old please. Thanks in advance. does he understand dialectics yet?
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Jan 31, 2024 06:30
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sullat posted:My kid asked me what marxism is today. I put him off by telling him it was bedtime but someone post a quick rundown of Marxism for a 10 year old please. Thanks in advance. obvious solution here is to read Capital to him every night
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Jan 31, 2024 06:38
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Boy is about to want some linen shirts.
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Boy is about to want some lenin shirts.
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