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https://twitter.com/ft/status/1751855979665268770 https://twitter.com/FT/status/1751937666726154278 Is Orban finally going find out that his miserable, lovely actions have consequences, or is the EU going to back down yet again again?
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He seems to have finally pushed his blackmail game a little bit too far. Great to see the rest of the EU growing a spine.
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Jan 29, 2024 19:24
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Blut posted:It looks very likely. The polls have only been moving in only one direction in regards to support for Le Pen/RN over the last 20 years, and are now showing she'll likely get a majority: I completely missed the 2022 election, but this trend is uh ... not great 2027 is gonna suck
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V. Illych L. posted:marine le pen is in with a real chance of becoming president of france. she has developed the precise degree and kind of racism which is electorally optimal and will not be moved from it. once she had to affirm that france was a country with religious freedom in the face of some (LR? Renaissance? i forget) other right-wing politician going on a genuine islamophobic tirade on television. it was interesting because it shows that she has very clearly thought through exactly how far she's going with this stuff in public appearances Just for the record, I was more just making fun of how she shivved her own dad in the liver to get a chance at power. That was extremely funny. The rest of it sucks, however. How was I to know a night of long knives would prelude tragedy?
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Jan 30, 2024 11:43
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golden bubble posted:https://twitter.com/ft/status/1751855979665268770 I guess we all read about it but Orban folded like a house of cards
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Feb 3, 2024 08:12
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golden bubble posted:https://twitter.com/ft/status/1751855979665268770 This is like at least 10 years too late and I really wish the EU just acted on the threats without Orban knowing. It'd be the one wakeup call the Hungarian nation needed and now he'll be even more powerful while posturing as a strong man to his nation who will vote for him until he dies.
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Feb 3, 2024 10:19
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Yeah it is especially galling they did this over ukraine of all things instead of all the last decade of constant sabotage.
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Feb 3, 2024 10:36
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He had his PiS buddies in Poland covering his rear end so that wasn't possible to do earlier
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Feb 3, 2024 10:39
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golden bubble posted:https://twitter.com/ft/status/1751855979665268770 "Nice economy you get there. It'd be a real shame if something were to happen to it.".
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Feb 3, 2024 11:50
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Jon Pod Van Damm posted:I'm sorry but these extortion tactics makes the EU look like a mafia syndicate. That's just politics for you, sometimes you have to enforce compliance.
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Feb 3, 2024 11:58
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Jon Pod Van Damm posted:I'm sorry but these extortion tactics makes the EU look like a mafia syndicate.
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Feb 3, 2024 12:06
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:What, exactly, do you propose they do, that they haven't already tried?
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Feb 3, 2024 12:11
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Additional Trianons.
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Feb 3, 2024 12:15
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Drone strikes.  Would be a good lesson for Slovakia too
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Feb 3, 2024 12:18
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:What, exactly, do you propose they do, that they haven't already tried? Dangle a very large piano above
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Feb 3, 2024 12:34
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A strongly worded letter.Jon Pod Van Damm posted:People have a tendency to revolt when basic needs like access to warm shelter and food are not met. Could we see something like an Arab spring in Europe this winter? Any day now, buddy. beer_war fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Feb 3, 2024 |
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Feb 3, 2024 12:40
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Jon Pod Van Damm posted:I'm sorry but these extortion tactics makes the EU look like a mafia syndicate. That has the implication that Orban is an innocent business owner that EU-mafia is forcing to pay protection money to, when in reality it is the EU funds that are keeping Hungarian economy afloat. So in effect mafia is in this case threatening to close off the funds they were giving the business owner that kept his business afloat because that business owner has sabotaged the workings of the syndicate for years and they've just got tired of him. EU even gets to be the evil mafia syndicate in this metaphor still, if you don't agree with helping Ukraine. Gotta keep the dynamics of the situation closer to reality with these comparisons! Similar comparison to EU mafia were made during Brexit negotiations, and it was just as important to use more factual dynamics of those threats. It wasn't that EU-mafia was bullying innocent UK, it was EU just removing the privileges of being a member of mafia syndicate from those leaving the mafia!
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Feb 3, 2024 13:10
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Yeah lol Orban's been undermining not only the EU objectives but democracy and rule of law in Hungary and has been a pain in the rear end for years. I thought this would be common knowledge as well as that mechanisms for dealing with him are pretty limited, it's either money or voting rights. This is from last year for example: quote:BRUSSELS (AP) — The four biggest groups in the European Union’s legislature added more pressure on Hungary on Monday to counter what they see as steadfast deterioration in rule of law and democratic principles in the central European member state. beer_war posted:A strongly worded letter. We're getting closer though! https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/1753703584196182107?s=20
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Feb 3, 2024 13:30
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:What, exactly, do you propose they do, that they haven't already tried? You could still say certain votes need more than a simple majority, but a single Russian puppet shouldn't be able to cockblock important EU decisions.
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Feb 3, 2024 14:04
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Yes but guess what you need to remote veto rightsquote:According to Verger, what the social media posts “forget to mention is that it’s national sovereignty that applies when making these kinds of changes… It is the member states that decide. Every time there is an institutional change, it is the subject of a treaty that must be signed by every member state and ratified by all of their parliaments. It is legally, and even politically, impossible for the European Parliament to decide anything in this regard.”
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Feb 3, 2024 14:20
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Jon Pod Van Damm posted:I'm sorry but these extortion tactics makes the EU look like a mafia syndicate. Hungary has been in gross violation of EU law for years now in various areas and can be sanctioned almost at will due to this. Goodwill from the rest of the EU is what keeps the money flowing and goodwill is not an infinite resource. Also, what gets everyone so much riled up about this is his obsession with this particular issue, i.e. blocking support for Ukraine. He has no obvious reason to push this hard back here. So the suspicion is that he either has an implicit understanding with Putin that once Russia dismantles Ukraine, Hungary will receive some of the territory or that he even explicitly made some deal with the Kreml on this.
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Feb 3, 2024 14:33
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Collateral Damage posted:Remove veto rights. ok and how would you implement that in practice, without anyone vetoing it?
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Feb 3, 2024 14:59
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BabyFur Denny posted:ok and how would you implement that in practice, without anyone vetoing it?
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Feb 3, 2024 15:14
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Jon Pod Van Damm posted:I'm sorry but these extortion tactics makes the EU look like a mafia syndicate. What do you think the EU is?
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Anyone who votes against it loses EU funding/drone strikes. How do you implement that voting rule without anyone vetoing it?
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BabyFur Denny posted:How do you implement that voting rule without anyo-ne vetoing it?
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A Buttery Pastry posted:How many divisions do the departments responsible for disbursing EU funds have? no idea, how is that relevant?
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quote:Italy’s far-right government submits plan to decriminalise abuse of office https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/06/italy-far-right-government-plan-decriminalise-abuse-office Just as we banish one bunch of right-wing assholes, another one pops up  BabyFur Denny posted:no idea, how is that relevant? "how can they actually enforce it"
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mobby_6kl posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/06/italy-far-right-government-plan-decriminalise-abuse-office It's fun how this didn't catch airtime in Italy but also how a lot of civil servants would applaud it if it ever did. We spend more time doing paperwork for the anti corruption stuff than proper purchasing but going full anarchy in response is madness.
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Feb 10, 2024 15:04
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:What, exactly, do you propose they do, that they haven't already tried? In the 19th century, Europe would have just send troops and killed a bazillion people. I think it's better this way.
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Feb 10, 2024 16:52
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I mean sure, Napoleon was a dictator and killed a whole lot of folks, but Oh, you mean the other Europeans. Yeah, those folks were loving grim.
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Germany’s Days as an Industrial Superpower Are Coming to an End More fuel to the fire that Europe's economy is on a probably permanent downward slide, I wonder if we'll start to see mass migration the US again as the gap continues to widen.
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Well it was self inflicted
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Well, Germany has had a history of terrible decisions leading to a self-inflicted wound.
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 This surfaced a few times on my FB feed and if it's true I'm flattered as a Croatian but also worried that everywhere else it's worse. You can walk around the main train station or main bus station (or anywhere else that comes to mind) alone at any times of night and it's OK. An acquaintance who's a social worker claims a big part of it is old school police authority. Police can frisk you if you look suspicious, no probable cause required. It happened to many friends of mine when we were younger. Making you take your shoes off in a park, looking for marijuana, and similar bullshit. It never occurred to me that police authority varies across Europe. What can they do in your country and do you think it affects street crime?
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Interesting, I wonder where they get their stats from? It's also worth noting that this is a ranking relative to each other, it doesn't necessarily mean that walking alone at night in Norway is unsafe.
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Feb 16, 2024 11:48
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Ah, I looked it up and it's from Numbeo... It's crowd-sourced, self-reported perception of safety. Not scientifically sound but useful to a degree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbeo
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It's completely worthless for ranking safety though. Crime perception and crime are not necessarily correlated(or have become anti-correlated in many places due to sensationalist media reporting). It's still useful for understanding public anxieties about safety though. IIRC Spain has one of the lowest murder rates on the planet, which is usually correlated with low violent crime. I doubt it would show up in the last few places in a real safety ranking.
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GABA ghoul posted:It's completely worthless for ranking safety though. Crime perception and crime are not necessarily correlated(or have become anti-correlated in many places due to sensationalist media reporting). It's still useful for understanding public anxieties about safety though. Last few places of a selection of European countries, omitting states like Franke, the UK, Germany and Italy.
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The countries included by itself should throw up red flags for likely having very questionable veracity. It includes Georgia and North Macedonia, but not EU members like Belgium, Ireland or Sweden that would have more reliable, and more comparable to the rest, data. Numbeo is also completely trash for things like this, its entirely subjective reporting on how safe someone felt walking down a street. For all you know the person doing the reporting is some fedora wearing American who's on their first trip outside of Kansas.
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