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Shumagorath posted:Soooo... what are some good ZFS / Backblaze / Plex capable vendors if QNAP isn't reliable and iX Systems boxes are overpriced? QNAP has SEO'd everything to death. What is it you're actually trying to do here? "Can run ZFS" seems like a very large list. Almost anything can backup to Backblaze. Almost anything can run Plex. I use a Synology NAS with Plex in a Docker container on it. It can backup to Backblaze. How many drives do you need? Does it have to be of a particular physical size? Do you need a specific amount of memory? Do you need ECC? What is your budget? How much tinkering/janitoring do you want to do? Why do you need ZFS as opposed to anything else? Why is QNAP's SEO a problem?
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Twerk from Home posted:the only options left are consumer or small businesses targeting NASes What are the options in these spaces, out of curiosity? I'm still running an N54L that's been a trooper, but it's not going to last forever, and every once in a while, it's started to spontaneously power off. But, I like ZFS (and I've appreciated running XigmaNAS, formerly NAS4Free, as my NAS OS), so I'd prefer whatever I move to be able to still run that and be able to just move my drives over. Problem is, I haven't seen too many cases that are a similar form factor as the old Microservers, or if I do, they're capped at, like, four drives, whereas I reflashed the BIOS to be able to use a fifth drive at full speed in the optical drive bay.
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Internet Explorer posted:What is it you're actually trying to do here? "Can run ZFS" seems like a very large list. Almost anything can backup to Backblaze. Almost anything can run Plex. I use a Synology NAS with Plex in a Docker container on it. It can backup to Backblaze. Long story short we might be deploying TrueNAS at work and I wouldn’t mind getting ahead of it / up to speed on ZFS on my own time. My budget caps out at around $3000 CAD, and I’d like to fit it next to a couch or under my printer table (as in my condo basically forces me to do that if I want a UPS, and it will still be on the same circuit as my gaming PC). Tinkering budget is unlimited; it’s fun. I feel like 5 drives would be enough for the foreseeable future, but I’d also bring a tonne of optical backups back onto hot media for the sake of it, and be less stingy than my current 4TB NVMe mandates.
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Shumagorath posted:re: SEO they dominate the results pages and send me back here feeling like I haven’t done my homework. If you want to learn TrueNAS, build a TrueNAS box. Also be sure if you're wanting to learn Scale or Core. You can obsess over getting ECC RAM, or you could just throw together something like this: PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i3-12100 3.3 GHz Quad-Core Processor ($116.49 @ Amazon) Motherboard: ASRock H610M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1700 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg) Memory: TEAMGROUP Elite 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL22 Memory ($54.99 @ Amazon) Storage: TEAMGROUP MP44L 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($98.69 @ Amazon) Storage: Seagate Exos X18 18 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive ($259.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Seagate Exos X18 18 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive ($259.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Seagate Exos X18 18 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive ($259.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Seagate Exos X18 18 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive ($259.99 @ Newegg) Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case ($109.98 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GX2 600 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Amazon) Total: $1590.09 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-29 23:21 EST-0500 If you want more than the 4 hard disks you'd need to add an HBA. I'd probably cheap out even more and buy these $230 20TB hard disks instead of those $260 18TB disks: https://www.amazon.com/MDD-MDD20TSATA25672E-256MB-Internal-Enterprise/dp/B0BYTYCP14/.
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Any reason to avoid WD Red? Not opposed to other brands (ASRock sketches me out more than anything). And thanks for the recommendation; I’m going to be fighting my old habits not to get a Meshify and work with that Node instead since I never build SFF. Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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Previous answer covers "build your own." QNAP and Synology have NAS selectors that help guide you - https://www.qnap.com/en/selector/nas-selector https://www.synology.com/en-us/support/nas_selector For QNAP, it seems to me like the TS-664 would meet your needs. For Synology, I'd look at the DS1522+. For WD Reds, no, no reason to avoid them at all.
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Shumagorath posted:Any reason to avoid WD Red? Not opposed to other brands (AsRock sketches me out more than anything). That Node 304 is not a particularly nice case, but it's one I've built in twice (more than 8 years ago for the newest one). 6 hard disk bays, small but with room for an ATX PSU. I swear it used to be cheaper, though. I remember it being like $80. If you aren't as much of a tightwad as I am, look at the Jonsbo N3, with 8 hot-swap bays: https://www.newegg.com/black-jonsbo-n3-mini-itx/p/2AM-006A-000E1
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Thanks everyone; nothing I host on this will go in/out aside from Backblaze so maybe I can tolerate QNAP’s poo poo, but building my own will be a fun prospect too.
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Mini PCs with a buttload of network I/O + external SAS port? Sign me up. Just need to get an N100 model. https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805844479837.html
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Next build I think I'll 3D print brackets and build in a Meshify compact or something similar.
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Shumagorath posted:Not opposed to other brands (ASRock sketches me out more than anything). e: Supermicro also often has IPMI, although that may not matter if you plan to store the NAS under your desk. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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Doesn't DDR5 have some error checking capabilities as a part of the spec?
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doomisland posted:Doesn't DDR5 have some error checking capabilities as a part of the spec? It's limited to only errors within the ram module itself and it also doesn't report those errors to the system. The only way you can tell it is having errors is if you routinely run memory benchmarks and notice the scores fluctuating. And that only serves to tell you when it is correcting a gross amount of errors and not just one or two every so often.
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MadFriarAvelyn posted:So I've been looking to build/buy a NAS for my apartment and have been weighing my options between both as my storage hard drive on my workstation eeks closer to 100% capacity. If you can do a cheap GPU, I obtained an Intel ARC A380 for $100 during the black friday sales for my Unraid build and it pretty much smokes everything else on transcoding/encoding (I had a spare 6700xt in it briefly) and even does AV1. AMD seems to be the worst out of the bunch for encoding and you are better off with the Intel or Nvidia stuff. Baba Oh Really fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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I currently have ~20 TB of files I want to backup. I will only ever need to access them again in case of disaster. Is Backblaze still the cheapest option out there for this? It looks like it would cost me $720/yr (first 10TB are free and then $6/TB/month for the next 10TB). If I ever fill my drives close to 80% capacity (29TB), Backblaze will start to cost $1,400/yr and that seems excessive, even if it is cheaper than S3, Azure, and Google Cloud. e: It would very quickly be cheaper for me to just build a whole new server and stash it at my partner's mom's house and use that as my remote backup solution. e2: iDrive seems to offer better value but seem people have issues with the service, it seems? Kibner fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Jan 31, 2024 |
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Kibner posted:first 10TB are free and then $6/TB/month for the next 10TB) Backblaze is still one of the cheapest, but their free cap is 10GB, not 10TB.
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Kibner posted:e: It would very quickly be cheaper for me to just build a whole new server and stash it at my partner's mom's house and use that as my remote backup solution. It's really hard to compete with price against that option, because it really doesn't need to be server class for backup use. An old office PC and couple big harddrives is all you need.
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If it's just in the event of a disaster you can put it in an S3 bucket that transitions the storage tier of files to glacier deep after 1 day. That comes down to ~$1/TB/month if I'm remembering pricing right.
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Kibner posted:I currently have ~20 TB of files I want to backup. I will only ever need to access them again in case of disaster. Is Backblaze still the cheapest option out there for this? It looks like it would cost me $720/yr (first 10TB are free and then $6/TB/month for the next 10TB). If I ever fill my drives close to 80% capacity (29TB), Backblaze will start to cost $1,400/yr and that seems excessive, even if it is cheaper than S3, Azure, and Google Cloud.
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Kibner posted:e: It would very quickly be cheaper for me to just build a whole new server and stash it at my partner's mom's house and use that as my remote backup solution. Yeah, if you just want something reliable with enough performance to run remote backups then the cost can be very low. Here's one way you could go: Supermicro X10SLL-F - micro-ATX, LGA1150, 6x SATA - $30: https://www.ebay.com/itm/285414185179 Xeon E3-1225v3 - LGA1150, quad-core, ECC support - $9: https://www.ebay.com/p/22029759027 DDR3 UDIMMs - 2x8GB, 1600MT/s, ECC - $24: https://www.ebay.com/itm/144059785873 $63 so far. Add an Intel stock cooler or whatever else you have on hand, a suitable case and power supply, and your drives and you should be good. Of course, if you truly only need to make one backup and you won't even need to update it or add to it, it's almost tempting to eschew the server entirely and just keep an offline HDD offsite. I guess you can't be really certain that it will spin up again or have intact data if you need it after several years sitting there though, and by the time you add a second 20+TB drive to get that certainty you might as well build a server with a 3x12TB RAIDZ1 from a cost perspective. It feels like a great purpose for a tape drive, if only you could borrow one instead of spending a few thousand dollars for it. e: Fixed the link for the RAM, I messed up when copying my old post. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Jan 31, 2024 |
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Even WD MyCloud units used to be able to mirror to one another over the internet, but lol if I’d let one be WAN-facing.
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Just helped build a OpenMediaVault-based system, and running into a somewhat obnoxious permissions issue. The system isn't intended to be secure, so everything is set up for Guests Only, but running some apps in Docker containers is also desirable. One of those applications creates files, and we want to be able to modify those files, delete them, or add to the folder it creates. That app creates everything as belonging to a specific user, and thus is read-only to everyone else. I know where to edit the user data, but I can't figure out how to make it belong to "guests" the way every other folder on the array is.
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Shumagorath posted:Even WD MyCloud units used to be able to mirror to one another over the internet, but lol if I’d let one be WAN-facing. If the only use case is backup, there's no need for it to actually be WAN-facing. Run tailscale on both devices.
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Gnoman posted:Just helped build a OpenMediaVault-based system, and running into a somewhat obnoxious permissions issue. Most docker containers let you set the uid it runs at via an environmental variable. Usually it’s UID or something like that. Check to see if this one does. Or share what container it is.
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The configuration section reads environment: - PUID=1000 - PGID=1000 - TZ=Etc/UTC - WEBUI_PORT=8080 I just can't figure out what to change it to (I'm guessing I need to create a new user and/or group) to make it read/write to everyone.
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Gnoman posted:The configuration section reads you need to find out that information for your server. the information can be found by going into terminal and using : code:code:https://drfrankenstein.co.uk/step-2-setting-up-a-restricted-docker-user-and-obtaining-ids/
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Eletriarnation posted:Yeah, if you just want something reliable with enough performance to run remote backups then the cost can be very low. Here's one way you could go: Hah, a tape drive could be fun, but, yeah, not really cost effective for me. I will probably end up building a cheap second server at my partner's mom's house and just have it pull backups from my main server every so often. Will end up paying for itself after 3 years.
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Magnetic shelf life is 5-20 years but I emphasize the 5. I have had plenty of drives spin and seek but not be able to serve a file system.
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deong posted:you need to find out that information for your server. That guide appears to be for setting up a restricted user group, which is the complete opposite of what I am asking for. I'm trying to create a user that any random guest will detect as and will never have any restrictions whatsoever.
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Gnoman posted:That guide appears to be for setting up a restricted user group, which is the complete opposite of what I am asking for. I'm trying to create a user that any random guest will detect as and will never have any restrictions whatsoever. Its explaining how to get the environment values. I'd guess you should create a group and use that group for access. Then put whatever user into that group so they also give access. It does not look like you changed any of those values.
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Very good. You have successfully pointed me to a tutorial explaining all the poo poo I explicitly said I already knew and had absolutely nothing to do with what I asked. What do I name a user so that people connected as "guest" will have read/write access to any files that user owns.
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I believe you are looking for UMASK which defines the permissions set on a new file or folder created by an application. How to do this may depend on the image and or application you are using.
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I checked my config for sonaar and radaar running in docker. I have puid and guid set to the account I'm writing with and then each application has its own UMASK setting within the application to define the permissions for the files and folders it creates. So it depends on the application from what I understand My goal was similar, guests can read only, not write. Dyscrasia fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Feb 1, 2024 |
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Gnoman posted:Very good. You have successfully pointed me to a tutorial explaining all the poo poo I explicitly said I already knew and had absolutely nothing to do with what I asked. Hey, try not being a dick to people who are attempting to help you.
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I was able to solve it as soon as someone elsewhere told npme that the user name I was looking for was "nobody". Flatly refusing to answer the question that was asked is not helping.
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No one flatly refused anything and you were being an rear end in a top hat. Glad someone fixed your problem for you.
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correction: *still being an rear end in a top hat
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Gnoman posted:I was able to solve it as soon as someone elsewhere told npme that the user name I was looking for was "nobody". Flatly refusing to answer the question that was asked is not helping. Sounds like you going elsewhere is best for all involved?
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Love the strong boomer energy of bursting into a thread demanding help, being an rear end in a top hat to people trying to help them, and then continuing to be an rear end in a top hat after receiving the help they need. Next they're going to have some guest on their network delete their files and rage post about how it's our fault.
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