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HazCat
May 4, 2009

Bucky Fullminster posted:

I would never! Almost none of the routes affect cars at all, let alone freight trucks. That's the beauty of the formula.

We just gotta fight the cunts with golf clubs that are hogging all the land.

Also I thought the lines on maps were good at communicating the information for time-poor people.

If your plan is to fight the cunts with golf clubs who are hogging all the land I have some very bad news for you about the people who will have the final say over your proposal and where their interests diverge from yours.

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Captain Theron
Mar 22, 2010

an egg posted:

i hope this is true.

i am more afraid of america than of russia or china. those two countries i believe are rational and well aware that nobody wins a nuclear war. (taking ukraine is a rational act in the face of climate change.) america i don't trust not to do something unbelievably stupid, and then of course they'd drag us in with them, that's what they always do.

I'm sorry, you believe Putin is rational? The same Putin who has started the largest European land war since WW2? The same Putin who was just talking about his claim to parts of Finland and Alaska? And that's not to even begin discussing Xi's speed run of the Great Leap Forward.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Who gives a poo poo which party starts a nuclear holocaust and which team we are on lmao

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

There are ZERO crossings without lights you have to deal with trucks. ZERO. The two major roads you have to cross have more than acceptible safe crossing lights controlled points. And there are NOT 14 crossings.



There's two up top right there. With pedestrian crossings, to be fair, but the visibility on that middle one is legitimately sketchy if you're coming from the south. And one with no lights at the bottom, which is seriously sketchy if you're coming from the north. But yes, generally no trucks on that one. And crossing all those lanes sucks, and the lights across Old Windsor rd aren't going to save you if truck brakes fail. The T-way running along safe and secure along the green line there is indicative of the disrespect we currently show cyclists.

And there are 14 crossing between there and Toongabbie creek.

quote:

Also where on earth do you get 35kms of river path.

That's... a good point actually, I'm genuinely not sure. Even from toongabbie it's only 17 km. Sorry, thanks.

quote:

anything beyond that is not really usable.

Agreed, and that sucks, and makes everything up to that point significantly less useful.

quote:

.... how on earth are you going to build a elevated path from Milsons Pt to Ridge Street?!?!

A sky way, built by political will and basic engineering! It's all there in the plan.

edit -


quote:

And where is Ridge St supposed to connect to, you are 2 kms away from the main north bike path that follows the Pacific Hwy to Lane Cove.

Great question, and the answer is it goes up through North Sydney park (with no gradient issues), across Falcon street and in front of Jeaffreson Jackson Reserve, across Earnest st and up Cammeray ave / Anzac ave / Rosalind st to Miller st, and then down Abbot / Palmer / Hamilton to Flat Rock Gully, which connects to Lane Cove and onto the M2

quote:

Do you even ride in some of these areas?

Yes, all of them

quote:

Dedicated bike ferry is a waste of resources

Maybe at the moment, but if you factor in combining it with the rest of the network, it most certainly is not

quote:

The LAST thing anyone wants to do after a flight is get on a bike with luggage with kids and ride a bike. This is frankly not a good idea.

Most people, on an acoustic bike, sure. But give them a couple of E-bikes with a big tub at the front and/or a trailer at the back, and 12 km of greenery to ride along, and there'd be plenty of people willing to give it a shot.

Or by all means, let their introduction to our country be the wonders of a taxi up Southern Cross Drive.

quote:

I could come up with five to bypass the waterfront at Newington. And honestly maybe they can just simply keep the gates open and set up lights?

That's exactly what I'm saying, simply keep the loving gates open and we don't need to worry about the others. Same for Nurragingy in the west.

quote:

East has umm.... three decent routes, one north of Rhodes, the second via Nth Strathfield and the main one at Concord West which I have used at 3am a few times cutting through Olympic Park

I think we have different definitions of "decent". I'm talking about completely separated paths, with little to no stops for intersections. Where you don't need to worry about "poo poo, where does this go, and does it continue or is going to just run out on me"

late edit - and regardless of any of the land routes, a 10 minute ride from the Stadium to the Newignton Armoury Wharf to jump on a ferry that goes wherever you need (From Lane Cove, to the City, to Manly, to Roseville) is always going to be way better.

quote:

we just need some intelligent fillins that are based on riders who know the roads and know the best routes.

"This map tells us the gaps we need to close, and the most impactful sections we need to upgrade. By building just a few km of path in the right places, to make those connections, we effectively give ourselves these hundreds of kilometers of path, because it becomes a completely contiguous network. Putting those smaller paths in this order makes them infinitely more effective. This will help get cycling numbers to a tipping-point, making the case for the other cycleways far stronger."

quote:

That I can agree on but I would suggest there's better ways than some "superhighway"

I really don't think there is, but would be happy to hear them.


HazCat posted:

If your plan is to fight the cunts with golf clubs who are hogging all the land I have some very bad news for you about the people who will have the final say over your proposal and where their interests diverge from yours.

Just the edges!

And it does have some precedent: https://architectureau.com/articles/sydney-gold-course-to-become-public-park/

Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Jan 30, 2024

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.

hooman posted:



Ah yes, the photoshop automation that removes clothes when you resize an image.

photoshop does have an ai 'extend this image' feature that can just generate nonsense like that now. nine used it on a cropped version of the image for some reason instead of just finding an uncropped version, obviously a stupid thing to do

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
https://x.com/bencjenkins/status/1752148341889421531?s=20

Regular Wario
Mar 27, 2010

Slippery Tilde

hooman posted:



Ah yes, the photoshop automation that removes clothes when you resize an image.

It was stuck on slutty but not too slutty mode

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Photoshop please extend this woman in the eyes of teacup

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

And where is Ridge St supposed to connect to, you are 2 kms away from the main north bike path that follows the Pacific Hwy to Lane Cove.

quote:

Great question, and the answer is it goes up through North Sydney park (with no gradient issues), across Falcon street and in front of Jeaffreson Jackson Reserve, across Earnest st and up Cammeray ave / Anzac ave / Rosalind st to Miller st, and then down Abbot / Palmer / Hamilton to Flat Rock Gully, which connects to Lane Cove and onto the M2

This is actually one of the most important links, so it's probably worth an illustration:



Again, 95% of it is there already. Flat Rock Gully rules. Just fill in a few of the gaps and you get the whole thing.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

hooman posted:



Ah yes, the photoshop automation that removes clothes when you resize an image.

Surprised they didn't shop in more tattoos to really rile up their crowd

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Thanks to the nazi rally who all took the same train right to a police operation. spectacular job there boys, laughs were had by everybody that wasnt them.

EoinCannon
Aug 29, 2008

Grimey Drawer

lih posted:

photoshop does have an ai 'extend this image' feature that can just generate nonsense like that now. nine used it on a cropped version of the image for some reason instead of just finding an uncropped version, obviously a stupid thing to do

Adobe has apparently 'cast doubt' on this explanation

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

EoinCannon posted:

Adobe has apparently 'cast doubt' on this explanation

Please link

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
Lmao love that the Victorian govt has zero spine about duck hunting.

Why commission a report in the first place

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
They have spine to keep it going in the face of large opposition. They're keeping the ETU sports and recreation club happy at great cost.

EoinCannon
Aug 29, 2008

Grimey Drawer

JBP posted:

Please link

Sorry

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/jan/30/georgie-purcell-mp-photoshop-automated-image-nine-news-apology-victoria-animal-justice-party

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

No worries! It was on the evening news that's why I couldn't find it.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

hooman posted:



Ah yes, the photoshop automation that removes clothes when you resize an image.

EoinCannon posted:

Adobe has apparently 'cast doubt' on this explanation

Note that the photo on the right isn't actually the source photo that was used for the 'shopped image, her pose is almost exactly the same but her face is turned slightly further away from the camera.

If you do a google image search for her then this cropped photo from the same photo session used to be one of the first images that came up before all this:

..... which matches the pose exactly, and seems to be the photo that Ch9 used for their graphic. Why they used generative fill to 'expand' the image rather than just downloading a different photo is a mystery.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Whatever happens Georgie just locked in another term.

SecretOfSteel
Apr 29, 2007

The secret of steel has always
carried with it a mystery.

Shocked that a news company in this day and age would take the easy route, deliberate or not, of making poo poo up over the tiniest bit of investigative effort. Shocked I say.

G-Spot Run
Jun 28, 2005
nobody is talking about the ducks though. conservatives win again

Konomex
Oct 25, 2010

a whiteman who has some authority over others, who not only hasn't raped anyone, or stared at them creepily...

hooman posted:



Ah yes, the photoshop automation that removes clothes when you resize an image.

Photoshop actually has some wicked AI tools now, it's entirely possible it generated a new set of clothes. It's also equally possible they're lying through their teeth.

EoinCannon
Aug 29, 2008

Grimey Drawer

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Note that the photo on the right isn't actually the source photo that was used for the 'shopped image, her pose is almost exactly the same but her face is turned slightly further away from the camera.

If you do a google image search for her then this cropped photo from the same photo session used to be one of the first images that came up before all this:

..... which matches the pose exactly, and seems to be the photo that Ch9 used for their graphic. Why they used generative fill to 'expand' the image rather than just downloading a different photo is a mystery.

Yeah I don't necessarily believe Adobe in this case.
Should have been checked by an editor or something before publication though

Regular Wario
Mar 27, 2010

Slippery Tilde
like the news has editors anymore

they dont make the shareholders money so they arent needed

Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

Novel way for ai to take someone's job though.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

Bucky Fullminster posted:

This is actually one of the most important links, so it's probably worth an illustration:



Again, 95% of it is there already. Flat Rock Gully rules. Just fill in a few of the gaps and you get the whole thing.

........ West St is the actual connection to the top of the cycleway. Going north of the freeway to that extent is just needless especially via Miller.

Your idea of a bike path that follows the freeway on the west side would work if it connected to the top of West Street and where the bike path from Lane Cove ends. This is why I seriously doubt you ride that much. For reference I've done West St from the Pacific Hwy 290 times going north according to Strava. So instead f this nonsense of going through the park, keep following the freeway, duck under or over Falcon St, keep following the free way to West St. Connection made. West St is very bikable but it dumps you on the Pacific Hwy going south or you need to footpath from Nth Sydney east side of the Pacific (Which is legal, it's actually a bike path as well)

quote:

There's two up top right there. With pedestrian crossings, to be fair, but the visibility on that middle one is legitimately sketchy if you're coming from the south. And one with no lights at the bottom, which is seriously sketchy if you're coming from the north. But yes, generally no trucks on that one. And crossing all those lanes sucks, and the lights across Old Windsor rd aren't going to save you if truck brakes fail. The T-way running along safe and secure along the green line there is indicative of the disrespect we currently show cyclists.

And there are 14 crossing between there and Toongabbie creek.

There are seven road crossing by my route from Parramatta Park to Abbott Rd. I know, I deliberatly took that way tonight and counted and discovered an route I didn't know existed behind Westmead Hostpital made possible by the light rail. 9 if by the route I would have usually taken. 12 at the absolute pushing the limit of what a road crossing is to absurd degree as they are actually driveways to car parks that are highly infrequently used or closed plus counting using a very quiet backstreet marked bike route turing across a T-Intersection at Ferndale Close / Doig St not far from Westmead. I can not even begin to work out how you came to 14 road crossings.

The crossing at Abbots is not sketchy, visibility is great. There is no real issue crossing the road, it's actually a good breather as it's a climb up from Toongabbie Creek. Now I would prefer a cyclepath along the T-Way but what we have isnt awful.

And here is my Strava map in fact -

Now what is immensliy loving dangerous and problematic is Abbott Rod / Seven Hills Road to Seven Hills station. You have tobe a goddamn lunatic to ride Seven Hills Rd whichis why I footpath it. Holy poo poo does this link need fixing *badly*

quote:

Yes, all of them

See above why I just dont believe this.

quote:

Maybe at the moment, but if you factor in combining it with the rest of the network, it most certainly is not

No, it's a complete waste. Just schedule more Parramatta River ferries or fix a few more links

quote:

Most people, on an acoustic bike, sure. But give them a couple of E-bikes with a big tub at the front and/or a trailer at the back, and 12 km of greenery to ride along, and there'd be plenty of people willing to give it a shot.

Or by all means, let their introduction to our country be the wonders of a taxi up Southern Cross Drive.

Take the taxi frankly. Riding bike after an international flight with that kind of luggage travellers take is just plain not going to happen. Let alone the logisitcs of all these bikes you imagien would be used like with end of trip facilites or returning to the airport or.... just the second I try to think this through it utterly breaks down

quote:

That's exactly what I'm saying, simply keep the loving gates open and we don't need to worry about the others. Same for Nurragingy in the west.

The Strava segment that best uses Nurragingy is called Nurragingy Teeth Rattler and is 24/7. There is one route that is of any use via that park and that drops you to going basically nowhere at Glendenning.You want to go west, you use Teeth Rattler. Also that does connect you to the M7 cycleway quicker rather than Glendennig exit......

The other routes just south of the Parra River are actually probably better at times and should be signposted more.

quote:

I think we have different definitions of "decent". I'm talking about completely separated paths, with little to no stops for intersections. Where you don't need to worry about "poo poo, where does this go, and does it continue or is going to just run out on me"

late edit - and regardless of any of the land routes, a 10 minute ride from the Stadium to the Newignton Armoury Wharf to jump on a ferry that goes wherever you need (From Lane Cove, to the City, to Manly, to Roseville) is always going to be way better.

Yes actually there are signposted paths with seperation if you want them. I don't take them mostly because I know the rat runs for being on a bike. The ferry is too limited and you are riding most of the way anyway - building a proper good bike network should not and must not depend on some other mode.

quote:

"This map tells us the gaps we need to close, and the most impactful sections we need to upgrade. By building just a few km of path in the right places, to make those connections, we effectively give ourselves these hundreds of kilometers of path, because it becomes a completely contiguous network. Putting those smaller paths in this order makes them infinitely more effective. This will help get cycling numbers to a tipping-point, making the case for the other cycleways far stronger."

Ive already pointed to some places where you just simply not closed the gaps and honestly I dont have time to pick apart more maps. Frankly Icouldnt care about ferries when Western Sydney is a graveyard for cycling west beyond the M7. That needs some serious fixes

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.

EoinCannon posted:

Adobe has apparently 'cast doubt' on this explanation

the adobe statement is just saying that you need to deliberately choose to use the generative tools in photoshop, it isn't actually denying that they could have produced this

Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

lih posted:

the adobe statement is just saying that you need to deliberately choose to use the generative tools in photoshop, it isn't actually denying that they could have produced this

What Adobe are saying is their tools don't work magically on their own, they require human direction. Someone got the program to expand the bottom of the image and that someone didn't care it inserted a peach coloured sash/belt thing or an exposed midriff, I can't quite tell from the screen shot. It seems to have similar green colour pattern to the dress which is why I'm hesitating to call it a midriff.

It's extremely suss to me that the generated image starts to deviate from both possible originals before the bottom of the picture, they start to differ from just below the breast, you can see a prominent fold disappear on the left hand side. That looks like more work than just expanding the image bottom, unless there's another copy of the image with that tighter crop.

If nine news were actually dumb enough to use the Photoshop ai tools in a fully automated way, after a week's worth of broadcasting they would have countless examples of odd ai artefacts to support their argument.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher
Nine Media blaming the generative tool is the immediate red flag someone did it deliberately and they are scrambling for a believeable lie when the lady in question rightly called out their bullshit

Regular Wario
Mar 27, 2010

Slippery Tilde
https://twitter.com/TheShovel/status/1752262929574228138

channel 9 accidentally give albo big naturals

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
The psychology profession has just experienced an interesting, if low-key development in how qualifications are recognised in the regulation of psychologists.

https://www.psychologyboard.gov.au/News/2024-01-29-update-about-applications-for-endorsement.aspx

Many goons will be aware of psychologists, some will have personal experience with a psychologist. You may know that there are many types of psychologists. Some use titles like "clinical psychologist", others will use a registrar title. What is important to know is this.

- All psychologists have done a specific 3 year undergraduate degree, followed by a 4th year that is either an honours year or a graduate diploma.
- Psychologists MUST do an additional 2 years of training of some form. This has previously been a 2 year apprenticeship (now phased out), 1 year of postgrad uni + 1 year apprenticeship, or 2 years of postgraduate uni.
- No matter what you do, you come out the end with general registration as a psychologist. Everyone who holds general registration is legally allowed to use the title "psychologist".
-Additional titles, like "registrar" or "clinical psychologist" are locked behind a further approx 2 years of supervised practice (a registrar program). This is referred to as an "Area of Practice Endorsement" (AoPE) or just "endorsement", where the person is at the completion of the registrar program is able to use the title of the endorsement they hold (i.e., clinical psychologist).
-If you finish a Master in Clinical Psychology or Organisational Psychology, you do not automatically become a Clinical or Organisational Psychologist. The AoPE is not a specialisation, rather it is a mark of depth of understanding in an area. All psychologists have a shared competency standard which are captured by general registration.

Now historically the endorsement pathway is not available to psychologists who do not have relevant postgraduate credentials - for example, you'd need to do a Master of Clinical Psychology in order to go down the path to become a clinical psychologist. This fact is what really fucks with psychologists and creates a 2 tier system where clinical psychologists are perceived to have greater prestige due to attracting a greater Medicare rebate.

What has changed is that the Psychology Board (which regulates the profession) now is allowing psychs with postgrad qualifications to apply to the Board to see whether they are able to start a registrar program which their degree does not specifically name. This is because the Psych Board got hosed up a few years ago in a tribunal case and were told that the legislation does not lock people out of becoming a clinical psychologist because they did not do a clinical psych degree.

Why this is important is because, at a fundamental level, there is little real difference between what a Masters of Psychology and a Masters of Clinical Psychology teaches. This will have implications for branches of psychology like Community, Ed/Dev, Sport, and Forensic Psychology as these programs that funnel people into an AoPE are very limited or do not exist anymore.

This change is not a seismic shift, but an important but subtle change to how psychologists are regulated. When I first read the tribunal decision, I figured that this would have to be a mechanism that the Psych Board would have to implement to comply with the decision. It remains to be seen how "easy" it is for psychologists to meet whatever threshold is required (and the cost to apply is 3x as much) but I hope this might in the future help pave the way for greater access to the clinical AoPE.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Idk about defamatory but loving hell https://x.com/marquelawyers/status/1752191808803951053

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Given the last few years in Ukraine I'm not sure that Russia has been preparing for the combat aspects of war, let alone that stuff.

And the only thing the Chinese military is good for is brutalising their own populations and harassing Vietnamese fishing boats.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Note that the photo on the right isn't actually the source photo that was used for the 'shopped image, her pose is almost exactly the same but her face is turned slightly further away from the camera.

If you do a google image search for her then this cropped photo from the same photo session used to be one of the first images that came up before all this:

..... which matches the pose exactly, and seems to be the photo that Ch9 used for their graphic. Why they used generative fill to 'expand' the image rather than just downloading a different photo is a mystery.

FoxNewsJewishReporterHugeNose.jpg

Yes, total mystery.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

an egg posted:

(taking ukraine is a rational act in the face of climate change.)

Oh for sure man, this is 100% the fifth-dimensional chess Putin is playing behind his irredentist rants, congratulations on reading between the lines

edit - in fact, sorry, I just have to know more. Did wherever you picked this theory up from enlighten you further as to precisely what benefit occupying Ukraine would grant Russia in a warming world? Warm water ports? Warmer climate agriculture? Why do you think the colder and more northerly nation would be strategically inclined to push south?

freebooter fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Jan 30, 2024

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Someone from Ukraine called Putin gay that's my theory.

ShoeFly
Dec 28, 2006

Waiter, there's a fly in my shoe!

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Why they used generative fill to 'expand' the image rather than just downloading a different photo is a mystery.

As a former employee, Channel 9 is trash OP

The Artificial Kid
Feb 22, 2002
Plibble

Recoome posted:

The psychology profession has just experienced an interesting, if low-key development in how qualifications are recognised in the regulation of psychologists.

https://www.psychologyboard.gov.au/News/2024-01-29-update-about-applications-for-endorsement.aspx

Many goons will be aware of psychologists, some will have personal experience with a psychologist. You may know that there are many types of psychologists. Some use titles like "clinical psychologist", others will use a registrar title. What is important to know is this.

- All psychologists have done a specific 3 year undergraduate degree, followed by a 4th year that is either an honours year or a graduate diploma.
- Psychologists MUST do an additional 2 years of training of some form. This has previously been a 2 year apprenticeship (now phased out), 1 year of postgrad uni + 1 year apprenticeship, or 2 years of postgraduate uni.
- No matter what you do, you come out the end with general registration as a psychologist. Everyone who holds general registration is legally allowed to use the title "psychologist".
-Additional titles, like "registrar" or "clinical psychologist" are locked behind a further approx 2 years of supervised practice (a registrar program). This is referred to as an "Area of Practice Endorsement" (AoPE) or just "endorsement", where the person is at the completion of the registrar program is able to use the title of the endorsement they hold (i.e., clinical psychologist).
-If you finish a Master in Clinical Psychology or Organisational Psychology, you do not automatically become a Clinical or Organisational Psychologist. The AoPE is not a specialisation, rather it is a mark of depth of understanding in an area. All psychologists have a shared competency standard which are captured by general registration.

Now historically the endorsement pathway is not available to psychologists who do not have relevant postgraduate credentials - for example, you'd need to do a Master of Clinical Psychology in order to go down the path to become a clinical psychologist. This fact is what really fucks with psychologists and creates a 2 tier system where clinical psychologists are perceived to have greater prestige due to attracting a greater Medicare rebate.

What has changed is that the Psychology Board (which regulates the profession) now is allowing psychs with postgrad qualifications to apply to the Board to see whether they are able to start a registrar program which their degree does not specifically name. This is because the Psych Board got hosed up a few years ago in a tribunal case and were told that the legislation does not lock people out of becoming a clinical psychologist because they did not do a clinical psych degree.

Why this is important is because, at a fundamental level, there is little real difference between what a Masters of Psychology and a Masters of Clinical Psychology teaches. This will have implications for branches of psychology like Community, Ed/Dev, Sport, and Forensic Psychology as these programs that funnel people into an AoPE are very limited or do not exist anymore.

This change is not a seismic shift, but an important but subtle change to how psychologists are regulated. When I first read the tribunal decision, I figured that this would have to be a mechanism that the Psych Board would have to implement to comply with the decision. It remains to be seen how "easy" it is for psychologists to meet whatever threshold is required (and the cost to apply is 3x as much) but I hope this might in the future help pave the way for greater access to the clinical AoPE.
When I was doing my psych masters (research, not clinical) I shared space with some DCP students and they were a lot more switched on than the average psych graduate, and switched on in a different way from the standard PhD candidates. I hope that in the long run there'll still be pathways for exceptional, highly academically oriented practitioners to be recognised for it. There seems to be gently caress all chance of psychiatry supply meeting demand in the near future so psychologists who can manage increasingly specialised and difficult issues will be valuable, and knowing who they are will matter.

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

The Artificial Kid posted:

When I was doing my psych masters (research, not clinical) I shared space with some DCP students and they were a lot more switched on than the average psych graduate, and switched on in a different way from the standard PhD candidates. I hope that in the long run there'll still be pathways for exceptional, highly academically oriented practitioners to be recognised for it. There seems to be gently caress all chance of psychiatry supply meeting demand in the near future so psychologists who can manage increasingly specialised and difficult issues will be valuable, and knowing who they are will matter.

In my opinion, the pathway to registration as a psychologist has become more arduous/rigorous in both an academic and skills based sense. We generally are only taking people who average better than a distinction and also have to have the characteristics around interpersonal ability. It's means that it's extremely competitive and we really only take the absolute pinnacle of students, even getting to an interview stage for a masters right now is a mark of real achievement. It's also completely shithouse and I'm not entirely sure whether I can recommend psychology to people as a profession in good faith - it's an extraordinarily poo poo ride to get to the "end".

I wish there was a better way to integrate the practice of psychology as a profession with the research. I am not convinced that it's extremely feasible for someone to truly unify practicing while undertaking academic work or research - it's different skills and there's a balance between meeting the needs for gaining and maintaining professional registration and being able to produce the quality and volume of research required to have an academic job. Yes, you can teach into the specific programs but it's the exception rather than the norm.

There's also a gulf between what works in the research world vs what really can be achieved in real life. In my role, I'm constantly doing research and case studies (which is the science part) but it wouldn't meet the quality standards for published research. Does it make it any less real? I'm not sure I can answer that.

A further draft thought I have is that I think that psychs are generally overqualified for the role that we play and psychologists are well placed to oversee and supervise more "frontline" counsellors or something which are more cost effective while being able to treat cases which are more "difficult". Again, draft thoughts but we place an exceptional demand on a workforce where the pipeline is 6 years, and they can only start seeing clients in a limited capacity after 4 years.

The lack of supply, I feel, is also by design. Being in demand means that you can charge more. Psychiatry has the advantage of being behind the MD cloak and is therefore completely irreplaceable. Psychologists do not enjoy the same level of prestige.

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Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

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........ West St is the actual connection to the top of the cycleway. Going north of the freeway to that extent is just needless especially via Miller.

Your idea of a bike path that follows the freeway on the west side would work if it connected to the top of West Street and where the bike path from Lane Cove ends. [...] West St is very bikable but it dumps you on the Pacific Hwy going south or you need to footpath from Nth Sydney

You're right, I did mean West st, not Miller. It's a pokey little path along Metcalfe to get from West st to The Route but it works. So it's supposed to be this:



This is how everyone who lives north/west of St Leanords can get all the way into town without interacting with any traffic.

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There are seven road crossing by my route from Parramatta Park to Abbott Rd. I know, I deliberatly took that way tonight and counted and discovered an route I didn't know existed behind Westmead Hostpital made possible by the light rail. 9 if by the route I would have usually taken. 12 at the absolute pushing the limit of what a road crossing is to absurd degree as they are actually driveways to car parks that are highly infrequently used or closed plus counting using a very quiet backstreet marked bike route turing across a T-Intersection at Ferndale Close / Doig St not far from Westmead. I can not even begin to work out how you came to 14 road crossings.

Call it 12, or 9 if you want, that's fine. Still too many. I got to 14 by counting the times you have to actually share the road, including Ferdale / Doig. It's more if you include the way through Westmead.

And yeah some of the light rail routes are very promising. I finally did the Carlingford line the other day and holy moly, thanks gov, that's what I'm talking about. That's why they're in the formula.

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The crossing at Abbots is not sketchy, visibility is great.

It's do-able, sure, but the way it's angled, you have to be on the crossing before you have absolute assurance that there's no one coming barreling down from the right. Yes I'm being picky, but we ought to be.



I think I might have figured out the issue - you're doing this on your own, not with kids, right? The question we need to ask is "would I feel comfortable doing this if I was a mother with two kids". That is the standard we need to set for cycling to become viable.

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There is no real issue crossing the road, it's actually a good breather as it's a climb up from Toongabbie Creek.

My friend, please, take a breather at one of our fancy new Superhighway Service Stops. We have shelter, water, seats, basic repair facilities, possibly a toilet and maybe even a built-in chin up bar.

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Now I would prefer a cyclepath along the T-Way

SOLD

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And here is my Strava map in fact -

And here's the route you could have had, with almost zero infrastructure investment, just a few different decisions:



Green is already there, blue is a ferry with minimal stops, red is my proposed route from the Park through Wisteria gardens to the bottom of the T-way, orange is the T-way of course, and pink is depending on how serious we want to get about following the waterways/creeks / canals, with a nice little raised platform through the industrial estate. All fully separated, with not even one road crossing for you. So anyone who's not as fit and bad-rear end as you are can do it too.

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No, it's a complete waste. Just schedule more Parramatta River ferries or fix a few more links

eh, I don't think anyone has the bandwidth to debate this in further detail here, but I can if anyone asks.

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Take the taxi frankly. Riding bike after an international flight with that kind of luggage travellers take is just plain not going to happen. Let alone the logisitcs of all these bikes you imagien would be used like with end of trip facilites or returning to the airport or.... just the second I try to think this through it utterly breaks down

What about locals travelling solo with carry-on? Like just because it won't be suitable for everyone doesn't mean it's not suitable for anyone. I'm not taking taxis away, just offering an alternative.

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The Strava segment that best uses Nurragingy is called Nurragingy Teeth Rattler and is 24/7.

Right, and that's bullshit. I'm talking about running parallel to the M7, through the parklands. A nature route, all the way from Moonrise to Quakers hill. Who doesn't love a good nature route.



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a proper good bike network should not and must not depend on some other mode.

I think in a harbour city like Sydney, it pretty much has to.

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Ive already pointed to some places where you just simply not closed the gaps and honestly I dont have time to pick apart more maps.

No worries at all, appreciate your time already. Would be glad to ride any of it with you to chat further one day if you feel like it.

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Western Sydney is a graveyard for cycling west beyond the M7. That needs some serious fixes

Well, start with this:

Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Jan 30, 2024

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