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Like all other subcompact crossovers: when consumerism mandates you must buy a brand new Giant Piece of poo poo wannabe-SUV-blob, but your poor financial choices mean you can't swing what used to be the cheapest compact SUV-blob.
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BuckyDoneGun posted:I know I'm the odd one out but I don't hate the original CR-H. I have no idea what its market position is supposed to be, and it's too high, but I've seen a couple slammed on big wheels and it looks like a proper future-Tokyo hot hatch. Is that the one that's a shittier Fit?
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Guinness posted:me: it'd be cool if they brought two-tone paintjobs back I mean some of these SUVs and CUVs have the two tone but it's not really intentional in that manner. All the poo poo with the lower 1/4 painted black to try and hide how fat the car looks otherwise.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Is that the one that's a shittier Fit? It's a shittier Corolla
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phosdex posted:Duracell trim
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dissss posted:It's a shittier Corolla Have driven the old one, can confirm.
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The Mazda CX-70 announcement is finally here and it's.... literally a two-row CX-90. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a46538204/2025-mazda-cx-70-revealed/ That sucks! I wanted an I6 version of the CX-50. 
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Well that’s a huge disappointment, I was hoping for an upgrade to my turbo CX-5 and that’s just way too large I hope Mazda isn't losing the plot here, again, in typical Mazda fashion. They found a ton of success with the CX-5 and were so well positioned to take that formula and bump it up a little bit upmarket on new more premium platforms but.... sigh. They could have gone right at the Q5/X3-ish segment with a high value prop model but seems like they aren't doing it. The CX-90 gets mixed reviews in its segment/price and I bet now the CX-70 isn't going to do much better if that's all it is. I'm rooting for Mazda but I'm not sure who they are appealing to with these things. Normies don't care about a turbo I-6 and will go with the hybrid which apparently needs some improvements, and the things they are putting the I-6 in so far aren't the most inspiring vehicles for someone a little bit enthusiast minded. Guinness fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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I'm absolutely dumbfounded at this decision. I'm right with you, and totally thought this was going to be a mid size luxury fighter, like an alternative to the X3. I drove the Cx-90 and while nice, it's way too big for me. I was holding out hope the Cx-70 could keep me on the mazda family as my Cx-5 turbo ages out. Now mazda while trying to compete with luxury brands, might have pushed me to a luxury brand. 
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FBS posted:The Mazda CX-70 announcement is finally here and it's.... literally a two-row CX-90. Kinda weird but it is not surprising they didn’t stretch out the cx50 as that car is already on the Mazda 3 platform which has the simpler rear suspension etc so it wouldn’t make sense to try to make it even bigger. Will be interesting how it compares price wise as it would be maybe a good deal if you don’t need a 3rd row.
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So is the CX60 coming to North America?
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smooth jazz posted:So is the CX60 coming to North America? It never was.
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smooth jazz posted:So is the CX60 coming to North America? I think most of us were hoping that the CX-70 would be an adaptation of the CX-60 for North America But alas
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Just saw a Crown out in the wild. It looks like a lifted Avalon.
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Anyone familiar enough with '24 Atlas Cross Sport AND the '23 ID4? I just got the 23 ID4 Pro Plus S and am absolutely smitten with it, especially the interior and features. The 24 Cross Sport caught my eye while in the showroom, but didn't take it for a test drive. Curious if anyone can comment if the experience of the interior may be similar (aside from not driving like an EV) between the two as I'm making a short list of another vehicle for the family, that must be an ICE or Hybrid. If it's similar enough, it may just be a slam dunk option for us. I'm going to try to get to the dealership, but may prove difficult in the near term and trying to whittle this list down as much as possible before getting in person to see them.
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Full Collapse posted:Just saw a Crown out in the wild. It looks like a lifted Avalon. I saw one last weekend. It was simultaneously better and worse than I thought it would be.
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FBS posted:The Mazda CX-70 announcement is finally here and it's.... literally a two-row CX-90. Well that tanks my next intended vehicular purchase. Guess I'll have to look for a different replacement for my Forester. Unless something changes dramatically, I think I'm done with Subaru, and I was really hoping for the CX-70 to fit the bill.
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More Wagonner S photos dropped. The interior looks identical to the regular Wagoneer.
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That CX-70 news is very disappointing. The CX-90 had some pretty mixed reviews especially regarding that new I6 and the very lackluster performance, I believe some reviewers found the hybrid 4 to offer better performance even. I was hoping that during the long delay between the 90 and 70 they might change some things around and come out it a CX-70 that was not only a bit smaller and lighter but also with a tweaked I6 that would actually justify its existence. Announcing a year later that its just the CX-90 with a third row delete and a few minor cosmetic differences though? What the hell are they doing?
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Elem7 posted:That CX-70 news is very disappointing. The CX-90 had some pretty mixed reviews especially regarding that new I6 and the very lackluster performance, I believe some reviewers found the hybrid 4 to offer better performance even. I was hoping that during the long delay between the 90 and 70 they might change some things around and come out it a CX-70 that was not only a bit smaller and lighter but also with a tweaked I6 that would actually justify its existence. Saving production cost money and making up the differentiation in marketing I assume. Maybe they figured NA market wants BIG CAR NOW and shrinking it 10 inches wouldn't make a big difference in buying decisions. They've been wrong before though. People forget that mazda is a tiny company with limited $$. I'm sure the engine/transmission tuning is something they are constantly working through and I'd wait for reviews to come out before making any decisions.
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Even though it’s a little lackluster news I’d buy the CX-70 over the 90. I’m not a big fan of the cramped third row having been spoiled by a minivan as a kid.
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Elem7 posted:That CX-70 news is very disappointing. The CX-90 had some pretty mixed reviews especially regarding that new I6 and the very lackluster performance, I believe some reviewers found the hybrid 4 to offer better performance even. Yeah the Savagegeese review of the 90 was not good at all, you could tell the guys were hoping for something good but being completely disappointed instead. Unless Mazda fixes the issues with this new motor and platform they are gonna be in for a rough ride.
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The Meat Dimension posted:Even though it’s a little lackluster news I’d buy the CX-70 over the 90. I’m not a big fan of the cramped third row having been spoiled by a minivan as a kid. I'm in the same boat but I might stretch my budget to an MDX instead of either.
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I think this is the universe's way of telling me to buy a BRZ
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The CX-70 makes zero sense to me and as someone who likes Mazda I'm frustrated that they seem to have no idea WTF they're doing. The fact that the CX-90 sorta sucks when in theory it should be great is also a bummer. I'm hoping Mazda Spirit Racing is real and not just an appearance package.
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grahm posted:The CX-70 makes zero sense to me and as someone who likes Mazda I'm frustrated that they seem to have no idea WTF they're doing. The fact that the CX-90 sorta sucks when in theory it should be great is also a bummer. I'm hoping Mazda Spirit Racing is real and not just an appearance package. What would be the ideal dimensions in your mind for a cx70? The cx5 is 180” long; the cx50 is 185” long (but also wider than cx5). The cx90 is 201” long. The euro CX60 is 186” long. You can’t use the cx5 or cx50 platform for the cx70 as it needs to be rwd layout. The euro spec cx60 is too close in size to the cx50 sold here and Mazda probably rightfully thought that average North American buyer doesn’t know or care about a rwd layout and would just buy a cheaper cx50. Couple of the early reviewers said Mazda told them that they decided to sell it as a separate model because the person shopping for a 3 row suv is a separate enough market than someone looking for a med/large suv. So the bet from Mazda is probably that the cx70 buyer will just say “hey great more cargo space”. And now Mazda doesn’t have to spin up a separate assembly line. /wild speculation Russian Bear fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Jan 31, 2024 |
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Something around Highlander size would make sense
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Russian Bear posted:What would be the ideal dimensions in your mind for a cx70? dissss posted:Something around Highlander size would make sense Literally anything would make more sense than making the exact same car but with no rear seats.
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So like 3-4 inches smaller? I don’t think anyone’s gonna notice.
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For me the magic spot was somewhere either at or between the X3 and the X5 lengths which is 186" to 193" Id obviously love it to be X3 size but as long as we dont cross into the 200"s,I would have still been happy. Doing a Shadowline package, adding red seats, and deleting a 3rd row is not a new model and all this is loving stupid. I cant believe it took Mazda this long to come out with this. I was thinking about this at work, and couldnt come up with anything. Has another car manufacturer tried something like this in the past? Just added some colors, made more trunk space, and called something an entirely different model? Franco Caution fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Feb 1, 2024 |
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Russian Bear posted:So like 3-4 inches smaller? I think people would've bought the euro CX-60. It's a similar size to the CX-50 but more premium, RWD biased, inline six, etc. It's a totally different car. Right now the only way to get that platform in the US is the CX-90, which is larger than a lot of people want. The CX-70 does not solve that problem. It does not solve any problem. Taking a car and making no changes except for a rear seat delete is why trim levels were invented. From Car and Driver: "Imagine Toyota renaming 4Runners with the optional third row the 5Runner."
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Dang and I took out the third row of seats out of our 2018 Land Cruiser, little did I know that in that hour or so I made an entirely new model. Toyota please send cash thanks
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Russian Bear posted:What would be the ideal dimensions in your mind for a cx70? Mazda6 wagon
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 I guess we'll see. I think the CX70 depending on the pricing is going to be more popular than the CX90 because most people aren't looking for 3 rows. If you're saving 3-5k and getting a 3rd row delete, sounds reasonable to me. grahm posted:I think people would've bought the euro CX-60. It's a similar size to the CX-50 but more premium, RWD biased, inline six, etc. It's a totally different car. Right now the only way to get that platform in the US is the CX-90, which is larger than a lot of people want. The CX-70 does not solve that problem. It does not solve any problem. It's not really fair to compare the largest car company in the world to Mazda in term of what it can and can't do. And I do agree with you that CX60 size with a premium drivetrain would be ace, but it has to fit into the lineup and it doesn't make sense unless they phase out the CX50. CX50 starts at 30k; CX90 starts at 40k. The CX60 would have to start ~36k and there is probably not enough margin in it after certifying a whole new car for NA market. And people like big cars (sadly), so they're betting on big and hoping to differentiate things with good marketing which is a lot cheaper I'm sure. Also I think you're overestimating that people can tell what kind of drivetrain is in a car. I'm curious what info savagegeese will get out of the mazda engineers on this one. CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Mazda6 wagon Just get your CX50 lowered! Russian Bear fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Feb 1, 2024 |
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Mazda6 wagon 
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Mazda6 wagon You rang?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNE-NyaYBcg The video I've been waiting for!
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CT is in Australia which technically does still get the 6. https://www.mazda.com.au/cars/mazda6/specifications/?bodyStyle=Wagon&drivetrain=FWD&grade=G35%20Atenza The basic model is like 12 years old now though so it isn't as popular as it once was.
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Still very pretty. I saw one in Japan some years back and it’s even better irl.
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I get aggravated that I'm stuck with the 6 sedan and don't have the wagons available about once a week. They look so good.
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