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Mel Mudkiper posted:fraud detected thats a short story not a book try again I think you'll find it's both: 
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3D Megadoodoo posted:I think you'll find it's both: Thats clearly the very old man with enormous wings bitch
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There's nothing wrong with reading trash fiction per se but the adamant refusal to read anything but trash fiction is a bit sus
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fridge corn posted:There's nothing wrong with reading trash fiction per se but the adamant refusal to read anything but trash fiction is a bit sus yeah its not the reading of trash fic its the refusal to read anything else and growing angry at the idea a distinction of quality can be made between the two mdemone posted:It's a dumb discourse for many reasons but especially because there are actually a few WH books that are quite enjoyable and even re-readable. You know what you're getting and sometimes that's not a bad thing. in my experience of two (2) Warhammer books this is false
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fridge corn posted:There's nothing wrong with reading trash fiction per se but the adamant refusal to read anything but trash fiction is a bit sus I find a lot of people who exclusively read trash fiction stop almost entirely once they do make a sincere jump to reading more challenging stuff
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Mel Mudkiper posted:in my experience of two (2) Warhammer books this is false well the percentage of such books in the oeuvre is pretty low, I'll grant. there's a lot of downright garbage in there
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Heath posted:I find a lot of people who exclusively read trash fiction stop almost entirely once they do make a sincere jump to reading more challenging stuff this happened to me, an uneducated person who only read sci fi until my mid thirties. all it took was a couple good books and then i saw all the trash for what it was and couldn't go back. i have read 1 sci fi series, and a handful of christies in the past six years, other than that its been all Real Literature. from all trash to no trash on a dime basically
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derp posted:this happened to me, an uneducated person who only read sci fi until my mid thirties. all it took was a couple good books and then i saw all the trash for what it was and couldn't go back. i have read 1 sci fi series, and a handful of christies in the past six years, other than that its been all Real Literature. from all trash to no trash on a dime basically much earlier for me but yeah i basically cannot make it through any kind of light and breezy pulp anymore, i just don't enjoy it and it isn't fun. which betrays the basis of these claims that other people are "pretending" to like certain books - it's just a failure of theory of mind. Heath posted:I find a lot of people who exclusively read trash fiction stop almost entirely once they do make a sincere jump to reading more challenging stuff some selection bias there. people who are apt to try new things are more likely to enjoy them, and of course you can't make the jump if you don't try at all anyway i'm trying to decide which holiday gift books to read first, i'm down to MIddle Passage, Mumbo Jumbo, or Her Body and Other Parties. any votes?
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fridge corn posted:There's nothing wrong with reading trash fiction per se but the adamant refusal to read anything but trash fiction is a bit sus Yeah I read a mix of literary fiction and "trashier" genre stuff and I think that's fine. It's like sometimes you want a fancy gourmet meal and sometimes you're just craving a greasy takeaway pizza. But insisting anyone who doesn't exclusively want the pizza is bourgeois is just silly, c'mon. DeimosRising posted:anyway i'm trying to decide which holiday gift books to read first, i'm down to MIddle Passage, Mumbo Jumbo, or Her Body and Other Parties. any votes? I liked Her Body and Other Parties a lot but In The Dream House is definitely my favourite Machado.
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I found Mumbo Jumbo quite interesting and very different from what I'd usually read. One of the more unorthodox ways I've seen to relate the experience of Black Americans and how their culture was both imposed and adapted by them from white men. I hope that it's a physical copy and not digital though, I had the digital copy and it made reading some of the sections that were pictures of letters almost unreadable.
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DeimosRising posted:much earlier for me but yeah i basically cannot make it through any kind of light and breezy pulp anymore, i just don't enjoy it and it isn't fun. which betrays the basis of these claims that other people are "pretending" to like certain books - it's just a failure of theory of mind. yes, exactly, wild to think, what am i just forcing my way through 30-40 books a year while secretly crying and wishing i could read harry potter 20 times instead? all for the cred on a dead gay forum?
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I read big brain stuff when I'm relaxed and happy and when I'm not I gobble mental candy Lotta candy down the brain hatch these ast few years
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I have recently noticed this idea that its somehow proletariat to read trash fiction and its somehow bourgeois to assert fiction should have a higher aesthetic and moral purpose than to merely be a product to be consumed. I don’t like my circumstances. Someone should change them for me!
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derp posted:yes, exactly, wild to think, what am i just forcing my way through 30-40 books a year while secretly crying and wishing i could read harry potter 20 times instead? all for the cred on a dead gay forum? It's absurd because you could do what most people do and just say you've read them if you really just wanted cred, no one would know the drat difference
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its actually v frustrating because you weirdos are the only ones i can talk to about books. if my family or friends irl ask what im reading idk wtf to say 90% of the time
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"What's it about" is the worst question you can receive. Like I've been on a reread of Gravity's Rainbow and my coworkers keep seeing me reading it in the break room and I have no idea how to respond to that question so I just say "it's about an American serviceman in Europe during the final days of WW2.” technically correct and is a satisfactory enough answer that they don't ask further
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Heath posted:It's absurd because you could do what most people do and just say you've read them if you really just wanted cred, no one would know the drat difference Speaking of trash literature, a co-worker was reminiscing about the Michel Strogoff television series which was apparently pretty big in its time. I told him I hadn't seen it and he started telling me about all the poo poo that happens in it. I said "oh I've read the book you don't need to explain it all" and he just... didn't believe me. Why the gently caress would I lie about that lmao.
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Heath posted:"What's it about" is the worst question you can receive. Like I've been on a reread of Gravity's Rainbow and my coworkers keep seeing me reading it in the break room and I have no idea how to respond to that question so I just say "it's about an American serviceman in Europe during the final days of WW2.” technically correct and is a satisfactory enough answer that they don't ask further make them read the Pudding scene, they'll never ask you anything ever again
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Buddy I don't even want to read the Pudding scene again* *for a third time
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Heath posted:"What's it about" is the worst question you can receive. Like I've been on a reread of Gravity's Rainbow and my coworkers keep seeing me reading it in the break room and I have no idea how to respond to that question so I just say "it's about an American serviceman in Europe during the final days of WW2.” technically correct and is a satisfactory enough answer that they don't ask further I was just rereading The Sound and the Fury and got the same "what's it about" from a coworker and even though it's much more straightforward than Gravity's Rainbow I was still like uhhhhh.... and even got the follow-up "you mean you're halfway through that book and you don't know what's it about?!?" so at least I got to reply with "it's worse than that I've actually read it before  "
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I know a person who every time they accuse me of being pretentious and not liking anything popular, they also accidentally mistake Infinite Jest and Gravity's Rainbow
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I like the regale my co workers with tales of the works I'm currently reading or films I'm currently watching, it prevents them from telling me about the scamdemic, pelosi's child trafficking operations, or whatever other dumbfuck thing Tiktok has put in their brain this week. Anyone who talks about genre slop and YA trash as being more real than "real" literature need to be locked in a cage with tiktok brains for a week. The average person has less than zero critical thinking or analytical skills and a robust classics education could be a start to a solution to that.
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Heath posted:Buddy I don't even want to read the Pudding scene again* is this worse than the plastic surgery scene from V
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Gaius Marius posted:I found Mumbo Jumbo quite interesting and very different from what I'd usually read. One of the more unorthodox ways I've seen to relate the experience of Black Americans and how their culture was both imposed and adapted by them from white men. I hope that it's a physical copy and not digital though, I had the digital copy and it made reading some of the sections that were pictures of letters almost unreadable. physical, i almost never read digital. Volcano posted:Yeah I read a mix of literary fiction and "trashier" genre stuff and I think that's fine. It's like sometimes you want a fancy gourmet meal and sometimes you're just craving a greasy takeaway pizza. But insisting anyone who doesn't exclusively want the pizza is bourgeois is just silly, c'mon. i usually have a book of short stories i'm reading alongside whatever novel, so maybe i'll just do that and mumbo jumbo, they seem very different stylistically so i can use one as a break from the other
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cumpantry posted:is this worse than the plastic surgery scene from V its definitely up there lol but somehow I still find that scene from V worse
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ulvir posted:the whole self-imposed infantilisation is literally the worst part of our generation. (any adult born between 1980 and 1996) Yeah your generation SUXX.
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fridge corn posted:I was just rereading The Sound and the Fury and got the same "what's it about" from a coworker and even though it's much more straightforward than Gravity's Rainbow I was still like uhhhhh.... and even got the follow-up "you mean you're halfway through that book and you don't know what's it about?!?" so at least I got to reply with "it's worse than that I've actually read it before It's about Caddy's muddy underpants.
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Jeep posted:its definitely up there lol but somehow I still find that scene from V worse i agree. people harp on gravity's rainbow poo poo eating and pedophile murder boat but they forget the rhinoplasty and siege party and ballerina impalments etc. etc. etc.
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And the Casino au Herman Goering, which encourages the foul practice of gambling
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Pynchon has no time for any of yr critiques
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He must've came to find it distasteful. I can't remember any bodily mutilations or other grotesqueries in ATD
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ATD is a rollicking good time, a story about adventuring with your pals.
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Atd, Vineland, bleeding edge, and inherent vice all feature a good hearted woman having sex with one or more authoritarian/morally bankrupt men many of whom they claim to overtly despise but internally desire so it’s possible Pynchon just found a different psychosexual well from which to draw
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Heath posted:ATD is a rollicking good time, a story about adventuring with your pals. There’s a dog who helps solve mysteries! Also some linear algebra! Fun for the whole family
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Tree Goat posted:Atd, Vineland, bleeding edge, and inherent vice all feature a good hearted woman having sex with one or more authoritarian/morally bankrupt men many of whom they claim to overtly despise but internally desire so it’s possible Pynchon just found a different psychosexual well from which to draw How dare you be correct Edit: GR also fits here
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mdemone posted:How dare you be correct gonna call katje a Special Case
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fridge corn posted:I was just rereading The Sound and the Fury and got the same "what's it about" from a coworker and even though it's much more straightforward than Gravity's Rainbow I was still like uhhhhh.... and even got the follow-up "you mean you're halfway through that book and you don't know what's it about?!?" so at least I got to reply with "it's worse than that I've actually read it before You could tell them that he also predicts where V-2 rockets are gonna fall next with his dick. However, I agree, I suck at describing what's happening even in straight forward books.
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