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I always assumed he had some background in high school/collegiate wrestling, is this correct? Why would you think you had a shot in MMA without some kind of technical background?
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Vengarr posted:I am the opposite, never saw a single wrestling match. I assumed going in he would be able to grapple at least. He put together matches with fantastic story and flow that made you believe he was amazing (which as you're unfamiliar with wrestling is like 75% of what makes someone good at it) and while athletically he was nowhere near any of his contemporaries like Bryan Danielson or Claudio Castagnoli et. al., his mystique was undeniable and he was still interesting to watch. Once he lost his mystique due to attitude problems (extremely long story) he could still put together good matches but then his body turned on him and now he's extremely funny in every way. As for experience in combat sports...he was probably thinking "oh I've trained jiu jitsu, I can make my dream happen". And then, well, lmao.
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Jan 30, 2024 22:08
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Vengarr posted:I always assumed he had some background in high school/collegiate wrestling, is this correct? Why would you think you had a shot in MMA without some kind of technical background? no, he had no school wrestling experience. he and his friends were backyard wrestlers
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Jan 30, 2024 22:10
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Vengarr posted:I always assumed he had some background in high school/collegiate wrestling, is this correct? Why would you think you had a shot in MMA without some kind of technical background? he's a black belt in Gracie Jiu Jitsu and an expert in Muay Thai kickboxing, brother
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Vengarr posted:I always assumed he had some background in high school/collegiate wrestling, is this correct? Why would you think you had a shot in MMA without some kind of technical background? He'd done a couple private BJJ lessons. I'm serious.
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Codependent Poster posted:Punk has always been a weird wrestler because he is sloppy a lot but could still have good matches. And that's been through his entire career Come to think of it, that's weirdly close to how I've long rated Jericho: can put together some excellent matches, has a great handle on his character and psychology, can talk until the cows come home, but was never top tier as far as the actual wrestling goes, especially in comparison to some of his close contemporaries. You'd think they would get along like a house on fire as a result, but as far as I know, I don't think they've ever really gotten along. Possibly because Jericho is a massive alcoholic?
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Jan 30, 2024 22:14
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I don't even watch MMA and can tell Punk is bad at it. God why is making fun of Punk such a good time?Goblin Queen posted:He looks like a bigger Kid Rock Razzing, specifically apartment wrestling fans
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Jan 30, 2024 22:14
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wait hang on i almost forgot, he's also skilled at Kenpo Karate
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Jan 30, 2024 22:16
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Majinfoose posted:God why is making fun of Punk such a good time? It's always fun to make fun of someone who both takes themselves far too seriously, and has basically shown they have absolutely zero principles 
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Jan 30, 2024 22:18
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Hedgehog Pie posted:Come to think of it, that's weirdly close to how I've long rated Jericho: can put together some excellent matches, has a great handle on his character and psychology, can talk until the cows come home, but was never top tier as far as the actual wrestling goes, especially in comparison to some of his close contemporaries. You'd think they would get along like a house on fire as a result, but as far as I know, I don't think they've ever really gotten along. Possibly because Jericho is a massive alcoholic? Peak Jericho was massively better in-ring that peak Punk imo
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Jan 30, 2024 22:19
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Yeah, he was delusional about being a BJJ blue belt. Or he knew what would happen but decided millions of dollars was worth the embarrassment. I'd let Mickie Gall beat the poo poo out of me for that much money. I was kind of shocked at how bad he was. He'd always been a pretty poor athlete, but spending a year+ full time training at a major fight camp, plus he should be used to bright lights and big crowds so not unnerved by that, I dunno I would have expected a better showing. Undertaker told a story on his yt channel recently about Punk thinking he'd be able to tap Lashley and Benjamin, and both of them proving him wrong right then and there backstage. So being delusional about shoot capabilities has been a thing with Punk for a long time.
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Endless Mike posted:Peak Jericho was massively better in-ring that peak Punk imo Jericho still hits the Lionsault just about every match at 53, CM Punk could never
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Hedgehog Pie posted:Come to think of it, that's weirdly close to how I've long rated Jericho: can put together some excellent matches, has a great handle on his character and psychology, can talk until the cows come home, but was never top tier as far as the actual wrestling goes, especially in comparison to some of his close contemporaries. You'd think they would get along like a house on fire as a result, but as far as I know, I don't think they've ever really gotten along. Possibly because Jericho is a massive alcoholic? Lionheart Jericho was a thousand times more athletic than punk was at any point in punk’s career
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Yeah do not look at Jericho now and think he's only been marginally better than that. Jericho at his peak could fuckin' GO. He's still not that bad in the ring, honestly--just old and bigger.
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Jan 30, 2024 22:25
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I should clarify that I don't think Jericho's ever been bad as a wrestler, it's just that he was always being compared to the likes of Eddie and Benoit (and Lance Storm) so he always seemed slightly worse off. A bit like Punk with Danielson and all that. I've not really seen enough of peak Punk to compare them otherwise, just what appeared to be their similar circumstances, at least in my mind.
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Jan 30, 2024 22:31
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Majinfoose posted:God why is making fun of Punk such a good time? Because his hubris and hypocrisy got the best of him and the self-destruction of his legacy is deserved.
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Jan 30, 2024 22:32
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Hedgehog Pie posted:Come to think of it, that's weirdly close to how I've long rated Jericho: can put together some excellent matches, has a great handle on his character and psychology, can talk until the cows come home, but was never top tier as far as the actual wrestling goes, especially in comparison to some of his close contemporaries. You'd think they would get along like a house on fire as a result, but as far as I know, I don't think they've ever really gotten along. Possibly because Jericho is a massive alcoholic? As a fan Punk and Jericho have always been my top two. One is a Jan 6 chud and the other is a backstage rear end in a top hat. Both of 'em can talk though.
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I would agree that Jericho is similar in that he's less of an athlete or technician and more of a performer, but also peaked higher as a worker. He also peaked higher as an athlete since getting kicked off the school hockey team for sucking is less embarrassing than that second UFC fight.
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MassRafTer posted:Maybe instead of insulting Punk for trying something new you can appreciate The Legendary The Undertaker for trying something new. There's so much I'm laughing at in this pic. Most of it has already been mentioned. But a BSK shirt in TYOOL 2024 has me laughing out loud.
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Endless Mike posted:Peak Jericho was massively better in-ring that peak Punk imo Jericho now is better than peak Punk. Jericho is still pretty athletic and can hit lionsaults and hurricaranas really well. I dont think Punk could ever do that
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Raskolnikov38 posted:the exchange of punches from 0:10 to 0:20 seconds is my favorite exchange in all of MMA Punk throwing those punches and watching Micky quickly realize he did not need to defend himself in the grapple was very funny. Those first 20 seconds are physical comedy gold.
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Jan 30, 2024 22:51
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Vengarr posted:I always assumed he had some background in high school/collegiate wrestling, is this correct? Why would you think you had a shot in MMA without some kind of technical background? if you considered both athletic potential and any combat sport background, and used that to make a list of all time wrestlers who had the worst chances in a UFC bout, Punk at least makes the top 25, if not top 10 dude had zero athleticism even when he was young
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Eagerly awaiting the wwe universe to start blaming AEW rings/training/doctors for Punk getting injured.
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A Real Horse posted:Eagerly awaiting the wwe universe to start blaming AEW rings/training/doctors for Punk getting injured. They think it's a work or Punk is going to pull a John Cena 2007. Because they are dumb.
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MassRafTer posted:Maybe instead of insulting Punk for trying something new you can appreciate The Legendary The Undertaker for trying something new. bigot jay oakerson
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MassRafTer posted:Maybe instead of insulting Punk for trying something new you can appreciate The Legendary The Undertaker for trying something new. kane rides his chopper like this while big show rides his chopper like this
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post hole digger posted:There's a civil war going on with Black people right now, and there's two sides, Tell em, Booger Red Skelton!
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A Real Horse posted:Eagerly awaiting the wwe universe to start blaming AEW rings/training/doctors for Punk getting injured. Some of the more braindead engagement farmers already are.
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As funny as Punk being fragile in every way is, him winning the Rumble and then missing Mania would have been far funnier
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Erin M. Fiasco posted:lmfao they even put him in the video game before he even fought That must be the most difficult pathway in career mode
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Critical posted:bigot jay oakerson
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TV Zombie posted:That must be the most difficult pathway in career mode It's like how Dark Souls lets you pick a character with zero stats or items if you're really into getting your rear end kicked
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Hedgehog Pie posted:I should clarify that I don't think Jericho's ever been bad as a wrestler, it's just that he was always being compared to the likes of Eddie and Benoit (and Lance Storm) so he always seemed slightly worse off. A bit like Punk with Danielson and all that. I've not really seen enough of peak Punk to compare them otherwise, just what appeared to be their similar circumstances, at least in my mind. To further expand (because I was a young Jerichoholic AND a big ROH fan back in the day) Jericho was light years better. Lionheart to WCW he was awesome. His stuff versus Eddie G and Alex Wright are worth seeking out. Problem was you had a ton of Luchadores, Benoit, Malenko, Saturn, Lance Storm, Kanyon and so on. Ring wise WCW had a metric fucktonne of talent; especially in the mid and undercard. Jericho blew most of those guys away with mic and character work. Conspiracy era Jericho was hilarious. In WWF/E Jericho had to put on some weight and wore lifts so he became a bit sloppy. Later on the Ocho adapted to his size and, eventually, age and we got a guy still in contention for GOAT. Punk? Early Punk was okay in the ring but, as people have said, character work, mic skills and an ability to build a great match were his strengths. That and he seemed so effortlessly cool. Danielson was a guy who, until late 00s was a bit bland everywhere but the ring. Once he stepped in the ring, even guys who could care less started gawking and wondered who the gently caress this guy was and why he wasn’t everywhere. Danielson got better outside the ring around 2007 to 2009 but really he wasn’t what a teenager thought of as cool. Claudio? He was a dick and skilled but the closest he came to cool was teamed with Chris Hero. Teddy Hart? Low-Ki? Christopher Daniels? I thought Homocide was a kind of cool in a murder you way but I don’t think many kids wanted to be Homocide. You wanted to be like CM Punk. Even as a heel you loved him because he was a rebel who would always fight the system and go his own way and surely never sell out.<LOL> Tony Khan gave him the keys to the throne and would have gone out on top of the world… instead he just had to punch the Bucks, sic his dog Ace on Kenny (Kenny Omega had bite marks on his arm) and later on try and kill Tony Khan. I still hope we find out the deets to that last fight. LOL on Punk self own. But you know who had a cool factor AND was a god in the ring? Samoa Joe. I know most here, even fans, dont think of Joe that way but like 2001 to like 2005 Samoa Joe was one the best in the ring and on the mic felt like the god of vengeance. Like the entire world couldn’t wait to see what he did next. Nowadays he’s still good and I’m happy as hell he’s champ but man… back in the day. A god I tell ya. Still mad at TNA and WWE for wasting Joe. Still hoping Danielson gets the big AEW (and/or NJPW) gold belt before he quits as Danielson is still amazing in every way. Joe and Danielson deserve every accolade. Punk deserves a booth next to Virgil. DogsInSpace! fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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Majinfoose posted:God why is making fun of Punk such a good time? For me, it's because Mox's "Fragile ego, fragile body, weak mind, weak spirit" promo keeps holding to be true in every single way. It's not a matter of if, but when, he finally has a similar breakdown to Brawl Out after all these injuries. I predict it will be after he doesn't get the main event of Wrestlemania 41 and he realizes his body can't make it to Wrestlemania 42 to finally got that one career milestone that's out of reach
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On current time table Punk could be back and healthy in time to suck a blood money covered Saudi dick, which he will do great at I bet
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DogsInSpace! posted:To further expand (because I was a young Jerichoholic AND a big ROH fan back in the day) Jericho was light years better. Lionheart to WCW he was awesome. His stuff versus Eddie G and Alex Wright are worth seeking out. Problem was you had a ton of Luchadores, Benoit, Malenko, Saturn, Lance Storm, Kanyon and so on. Ring wise WCW had a metric fucktonne of talent; especially in the mid and undercard. Jericho blew most of those guys away with mic and character work. Conspiracy era Jericho was hilarious. In WWF/E Jericho had to put on some weight and wore lifts so he became a bit sloppy. Later on the Ocho adapted to his size and, eventually, age and we got a guy still in contention for GOAT. These are great observations and I would happily watch a pape with you, but I couldn't stop chuckling at 'I don’t think many kids wanted to be Homocide.'
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Joey McChrist posted:no, he had no school wrestling experience. he and his friends were backyard wrestlers  Glad I didn’t know that at the time, it made his rear end kicking much funnier. Punk was pushed hard in the lead up to the fight and the storyline being sold was whether he could adapt to Gall’s striking. The promos didn’t mention he couldn’t grapple either.
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