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Bro Dad: Mar 26, 2010

ironically marvel's werewolf by night is probably the best recent remake of a "classic" horror film

# ? Jan 31, 2024 00:14

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# ? May 23, 2024 09:39

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Bro Dad posted:

so universal isnt giving up on the "dark universe" stuff

.....they're bringing back as a theme park!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4u83ncMjuE&t=215s

I interviewed to work as a researcher for a living history project, and it got me so intensely curious about theme parks. When they said "you get to play in a world you've only played on the screen", ~ 4:59, I feel so torn about that. What do we want people to experience at Universal Studios? I mean, what are we trying to connect them to? With living history, it's the past, you're connecting to something real through the illusion of living history.

Where there are creative interpretations, I've heard Sainte-Marie among the Hurons described as a "fantasy" by someone who knew a bit more about the Indian frontier of New France, you're still trying to connect people to something important through a bit of a "theme park" recreation of a Huron village and Jesuit mission. The same is true of Louisbourg, famously it was "dressed up" a little bit for the reconstruction of 1961. Still, even these fantastic representations of Canada's past are supposed to teach you about the world you live in.

Here, I don't know. The Ministry of Magic is part of Cabinet. A faithful recreation would feel, imo, like visiting the Ministry of Public Building and Works. I mean really, it appears wonderful and strange because it's a world different than our own, but so is the past, so let's just look at function. If you were to make a living history recreation of the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food in Tony Blair's UK - it would be a contemporary of the Ministry of Magic in Harry Potter. They have the same function, so shouldn't they fundamentally feel the same? "Here's how visiting a government office to fill out paperwork felt in 1994, but people can do magic"?

Experiencing it on screen is already escapism, and so making it in the real world, what are we doing here?

# ? Jan 31, 2024 00:19

Wraith of J.O.I.: Jan 25, 2012

skooma512 posted:

I'm actually happy for Universal they didn't make any movies with those retro monster characters.

Like how threadbare does your creativity have to be that you desperately need a cinematic universe to maybe get a piece of the Marvel pie, that you resort to rebooting a cinematic crossover universe from the loving 1950s? At least the comic book poo poo was still going since then, nobody cares about the Wolfman.

there is a frankenstein movie and a wolfman movie (and a nosferatu movie) currently in production

# ? Jan 31, 2024 00:19

DR FRASIER KRANG: Feb 4, 2005; "Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?

Frosted Flake posted:

I interviewed to work as a researcher for a living history project, and it got me so intensely curious about theme parks. When they said "you get to play in a world you've only played on the screen", ~ 4:59, I feel so torn about that. What do we want people to experience at Universal Studios? I mean, what are we trying to connect them to? With living history, it's the past, you're connecting to something real through the illusion of living history.

Where there are creative interpretations, I've heard Sainte-Marie among the Hurons described as a "fantasy" by someone who knew a bit more about the Indian frontier of New France, you're still trying to connect people to something important through a bit of a "theme park" recreation of a Huron village and Jesuit mission. The same is true of Louisbourg, famously it was "dressed up" a little bit for the reconstruction of 1961. Still, even these fantastic representations of Canada's past are supposed to teach you about the world you live in.

Here, I don't know. The Ministry of Magic is part of Cabinet. A faithful recreation would feel, imo, like visiting the Ministry of Public Building and Works. I mean really, it appears wonderful and strange because it's a world different than our own, but so is the past, so let's just look at function. If you were to make a living history recreation of the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food in Tony Blair's UK - it would be a contemporary of the Ministry of Magic in Harry Potter. They have the same function, so shouldn't they fundamentally feel the same? "Here's how visiting a government office to fill out paperwork felt in 1994, but people can do magic"?

Experiencing it on screen is already escapism, and so making it in the real world, what are we doing here?

now im imaging the first Harry Potter as the way Neo enters the Matrix and I'm very mad about this.

# ? Jan 31, 2024 00:35

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

I really enjoyed watching the pieces of poo poo in "The Curse", you don't have to think the characters are good people to have fun watching them.

# ? Jan 31, 2024 01:40

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

thinking about how the magic systems in Pratchett, Le Guin, and Tolkien share a gender dichotomy where men aren't allowed to cum but women can do whatever

# ? Jan 31, 2024 01:50

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

I wonder if that�s a reflection of Neoplatonic Theurgy in the medieval magical tradition?

# ? Jan 31, 2024 01:59

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

iirc that has to do with gods. perhaps I don't remember enough about it. but divinity doesn't really come into magic at all in the former two, and only tangentially in the latter

e: although wizards do summon and bind death at one point

e2: of course two well-educated English dudes and a Columbia grad probably had a lot of exposure to that stuff

indigi has issued a correction as of 02:23 on Jan 31, 2024

# ? Jan 31, 2024 02:18

MLKQUOTEMACHINE: Oct 22, 2012; Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice-skate uphill

indigi posted:

thinking about how the magic systems in Pratchett, Le Guin, and Tolkien share a gender dichotomy where men aren't allowed to cum but women can do whatever

# ? Jan 31, 2024 02:27

El Pollo Blanco: Jun 12, 2013; by sebmojo

starkebn posted:

I really enjoyed watching the pieces of poo poo in "The Curse", you don't have to think the characters are good people to have fun watching them.

i can only watch the curse in 5 min chunks because nathan fielder manages to be so repulsive

# ? Jan 31, 2024 02:31

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

# ? Jan 31, 2024 02:32

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

I meant in the sense that Theurgy allows men to tap into the font from which magical energy flows, "the Divine", through self-denial of extirpating or polluting influences. This kind of asceticism applied to both sleeping with, or even admiring and paying attention to, women.

This is sort of like Chi, I think?

# ? Jan 31, 2024 02:57

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

oh maybe, though male celibacy is only implicit in Tolkien and women can actually do magic in all three universes whether they screw or not

# ? Jan 31, 2024 03:55

loquacius: Oct 21, 2008

indigi posted:

oh maybe, though male celibacy is only implicit in Tolkien and women can actually do magic in all three universes whether they screw or not

Saruman: never fucks
Sauron: never fucks
Gandalf: hasn't hosed in 100 years but would be dtf if he wasn't so stressed out
Radagast: fucks constantly

# ? Jan 31, 2024 04:13

loquacius: Oct 21, 2008

Does Celeborn get to do magic, and do he and Galadriel still gently caress? They've been married like 3000 years

# ? Jan 31, 2024 04:16

loquacius: Oct 21, 2008

Wait

Tom Bombadil fucks. Theory destroyed

# ? Jan 31, 2024 04:17

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

Buck Wildman posted:

https://twitter.com/mondomascots/status/1751434611140231399?t=AHCtHx0nqIAjImj2bQf4vw&s=19

i mean sure people would kill for psyduck but nobody bothered to watch this four episode puppet show we didnt try to market so sorry this idea is failed forever

# ? Jan 31, 2024 04:27

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Tom is an avatar of god so he doesn't count. but Celeborn doesn't do magic. Galadriel does but since she's a woman it doesn't matter

# ? Jan 31, 2024 04:28

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loquacius posted:

Wait

Tom Bombadil fucks. Theory destroyed

buddy.......................... https://web.archive.org/web/20170505092400/http://www.unboundworlds.com/cage-match-2017/cage-match-2017-round-4-tom-bombadil-vs-devi/

# ? Jan 31, 2024 04:30

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

he's named bombadill for a reason

# ? Jan 31, 2024 04:30

Gumball Gumption: Jan 7, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

I interviewed to work as a researcher for a living history project, and it got me so intensely curious about theme parks. When they said "you get to play in a world you've only played on the screen", ~ 4:59, I feel so torn about that. What do we want people to experience at Universal Studios? I mean, what are we trying to connect them to? With living history, it's the past, you're connecting to something real through the illusion of living history.

Where there are creative interpretations, I've heard Sainte-Marie among the Hurons described as a "fantasy" by someone who knew a bit more about the Indian frontier of New France, you're still trying to connect people to something important through a bit of a "theme park" recreation of a Huron village and Jesuit mission. The same is true of Louisbourg, famously it was "dressed up" a little bit for the reconstruction of 1961. Still, even these fantastic representations of Canada's past are supposed to teach you about the world you live in.

Here, I don't know. The Ministry of Magic is part of Cabinet. A faithful recreation would feel, imo, like visiting the Ministry of Public Building and Works. I mean really, it appears wonderful and strange because it's a world different than our own, but so is the past, so let's just look at function. If you were to make a living history recreation of the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food in Tony Blair's UK - it would be a contemporary of the Ministry of Magic in Harry Potter. They have the same function, so shouldn't they fundamentally feel the same? "Here's how visiting a government office to fill out paperwork felt in 1994, but people can do magic"?

Experiencing it on screen is already escapism, and so making it in the real world, what are we doing here?

They're both just escapist fantasies about how it is cool and good to be a hosed up bigot.

# ? Jan 31, 2024 04:36

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

dr_rat posted:

Hey, unlike all you young wipper snappers here I was way to old to be playing? watching? this here "Pokemon" thing when ever it came out.

Only thing we had to play was stick and hoop, and only thing we had to watch was other people play stick and hoop.

did u know that in the original pokemon games psyduck is gated behind a fishing mechanic you dont get access to until halfway through and even if you try to use it in normal gameplay hell turn into an uglier blue duck before you get much farther

i thought that was very interesting

# ? Jan 31, 2024 04:38

the milk machine: Jul 23, 2002; lick my keys

skooma512 posted:

I'm actually happy for Universal they didn't make any movies with those retro monster characters.

Like how threadbare does your creativity have to be that you desperately need a cinematic universe to maybe get a piece of the Marvel pie, that you resort to rebooting a cinematic crossover universe from the loving 1950s? At least the comic book poo poo was still going since then, nobody cares about the Wolfman.

i care about the wolf man

# ? Jan 31, 2024 04:42

the milk machine: Jul 23, 2002; lick my keys

MLKQUOTEMACHINE posted:

# ? Jan 31, 2024 04:43

the milk machine: Jul 23, 2002; lick my keys

loquacius posted:

Does Celeborn get to do magic, and do he and Galadriel still gently caress? They've been married like 3000 years

________/

# ? Jan 31, 2024 04:44

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Sauron hosed Shelob, who was a sexy lady at the time

# ? Jan 31, 2024 04:50

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

rewatching edge of tomorrow off the thread recommendation and i find it pretty funny how the premise simultaneously requires that tom cruise has to do a troop embed because hes an important public relations guy but also hes simultaneously so unimportant that the limey general easily bullshits him into getting pressganged under a false identity and nobody notices or cares

now you could read this as a starship troopersesque satirical statement on how the united army sucks but lets just face it this is just typical lovely hollywood screenwriting that fortunately doesnt do too much damage to an otherwise strong scifi premise that was culturally appropriated from glorious nippon

# ? Jan 31, 2024 05:41

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

also no elves don't gently caress except to have a child and the conception rate is 100%. so Celeborn and Galadriel haven't hosed since the year 300 of the Second Age (6k years prior to the events of Lord of the Rings)

# ? Jan 31, 2024 05:46

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

for anyone looking for an excuse to watch edge of tomorrow again take a drink every time tom cruise dies you wont be disappointed

# ? Jan 31, 2024 05:53

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

as much as I love Cruise and Blunt, Paxton comes dangerously close to stealing that movie

# ? Jan 31, 2024 06:05

Clip-On Fedora: Feb 20, 2011

Some Guy TT posted:

for anyone looking for an excuse to watch edge of tomorrow again take a drink every time tom cruise dies you wont be disappointed

Watching Wolf of Wall Street and getting more and more hammered with a bottle of whiskey is the correct way to watch that movie.

# ? Jan 31, 2024 06:20

the milk machine: Jul 23, 2002; lick my keys

indigi posted:

as much as I love Cruise and Blunt, Paxton comes dangerously close to stealing that movie

you find yourself as an astronaut floating through space, staring at a universal truth given physical form; another astronaut is behind you pointing a space laser at you. "always has" they say. your head feels cold

# ? Jan 31, 2024 07:00

POWELL CURES KIDS: Aug 26, 2016

indigi posted:

as much as I love Cruise and Blunt, Paxton comes dangerously close to stealing that movie

never asked, don't care

# ? Jan 31, 2024 07:15

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

I finally got around to watching Succession, and now that I understand what people were talking about, I don't understand the controversy about Willa and Connor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO_KGQMzAas

Justine Lupe has said she always played the character as if she grew to love Connor, and that on top of wanting security, a patron for her plays, and the lifestyle his wealth provides, she thinks he's a good man and she's happy with him. She feels safe. Justine Lupe said that Willa's love is based on companionship and friendship, and that's the basis of their marriage.

So, the commentary in twitter and some of these think pieces was split down the middle between she's a gold digger and it will never work because there's no romance, passion or sexual attraction, and then you know, that Connor is the worst Roy because he "bought a woman" and Willa is trapped in a gilded cage. Obviously there were some way more misogynistic takes than that regarding Willa, and on the other side of the culture war quite a lot of venom directed at Connor. People really did not like an escort agreeing to marry an aristocrat because it made them both happy, even if their happiness did not come from pure mutual attraction or whatever.

But - I think they have the healthiest relationship on the show, and honestly, historically speaking, that's a rock solid basis for a marriage. Isn't this how many, if not most marriages, certainly aristocratic marriages, worked until... idk 1910? They each have things they bring to the marriage, they see it as a partnership that's not perfect but makes them both happy, they choose to love one another, or you could say, grow to love one another.

They're mismatched in age. She's far more attractive than he is. They're both sort of insecure. She could probably find someone she finds more attractive. He might be able to find someone who is not at all interested in his money. Isn't that fact that they choose to go ahead anyway good? If marriage is about commitment, they've made a strong one, and it won't be affected by a spark fading, or their sex life falling off after kids or whatever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRBXyHGpKmE

Well, I submit to you this - "Con? You're a nice man. You know what? gently caress it!" "How bad could it be?" is pretty close to a contemporary "I'd rather be miserable with you than without you."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4B02TxCwLM

A prostitute grows to love her wealthy friend/client. He grows to adore her. They decide to get married. That's Gigi!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxT1-GNGINU

It was a romantic ideal in 1958, but since then we can't imagine that a relationship built on trust and stability working out or being good for both people involved?

Idk, I'm 8 months late to discussing succession, but going through these articles, tweets and reddit posts, I'm just surprised that I saw this as a sweet and mature relationship turning into a stable marriage, while everyone else is talking about butterflies, fireworks and gilded cages.

I mean, Willa may not feel incredibly turned on by Connor, but she loves him in a way nobody else has. Her care for him, in contrast to everyone except for his mother, is a reliable source of affection. Does it matter if she values his companionship, goodness and feeling safe with him more than how much she's attracted to him? I would say no. Compare her to his family:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he0PS1gQBD8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7nuFKhLioQ

He's a plant that grows on rocks. He says he doesn't need love. But I think he has it. That's where I disagree with people.
Willa chose him, even after knowing all of this awful stuff about him, dealing with his family. Nobody else, certainly not his dad, ever chose him. When he gets back from karaoke and she's there, I think its pretty clear.

If love is a choice, Willa has shown why she's the woman he should marry - she consistently choses to love him, even, and especially, because she's not driven by pure attraction to him.

now dont take this the wrong way frosted flake because i love you and youre my pal but when i saw this post i kindof just assumed this was the one that got you the daylong probe and the one you did get the probe for really wrecks the pattern on your rap sheet

# ? Jan 31, 2024 07:25

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

that being noted i actually agree with the main crux of your analysis which is that the negative reaction to willa and connors romance is mainly a consequence of hilariously heterodox conformist views on how to define healthy romantic relationships i choose these ironic adverbs because in the abstract the notion that satisfying romantic relationships must necessarily be equal ones has its grounding in feminist theory this was just one of the second waves many problematic contradictions that was and is successfully exploited by reactionary elements since if youre going to take the position that inequal romantic relationships are inherently exploitative the logical conclusion of that is that any romantic relationship is inherently exploitative because what is inequality really is it marrying someone of a different class or a different race because in practical terms your position isnt really any different from the fascists at that point your only real ideological difference is your professed motivation against class slash race mixing

modern western romances have done a lot of stupid things trying to resolve these contradictions but i dont think anything quite beats bridgertons approach of saying that jane austen style society romance is good actually provided we just get rid of all the racism and none of the parts that involve money or social status

# ? Jan 31, 2024 08:14

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

webcams for christ posted:

is it cringe to admit I really, really loved the scoring of Succession? I'd never listen to the soundtrack on it's own, but it really made for a loving smooth watching experience

having appreciation for any part of a show slash movie that isnt just bougie affectations like leo is a good actor because hes hot isnt cringe my friend its a sign that youre comprehending a work as a whole and not as if it was a jangling set of keys

# ? Jan 31, 2024 08:19

Blood Boils: Dec 27, 2006; Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

indigi posted:

also no elves don't gently caress except to have a child and the conception rate is 100%. so Celeborn and Galadriel haven't hosed since the year 300 of the Second Age (6k years prior to the events of Lord of the Rings)

Elves don't gently caress, they're just orcs who sided with Manwe; they spawn.

# ? Jan 31, 2024 08:19

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Some Guy TT posted:

modern western romances have done a lot of stupid things trying to resolve these contradictions but i dont think anything quite beats bridgertons approach of saying that jane austen style society romance is good actually provided we just get rid of all the racism and none of the parts that involve money or social status

That makes a lot of sense as exactly how you appeal to liberals

# ? Jan 31, 2024 08:27

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

I've been waiting for an Orthodox Christian kung fu movie my whole life.

And yeah, regarding the Willa/Connor controversy, even when they staged the most recent production of Gigi, they sanitized the script to really obfuscate what a courtesan is, and they cast a male actor (slightly) younger than the female lead to play Gaston. Even then, the review in the NYT still agonized over a prostitute falling for her client and what that says about society. There was a whole paragraph, "what message are we sending young girls about love and marriage?" or something like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kKM0u5JBhw

Still a great production,

the whole discourse about sex work these days is genuinely baffling because theyre basically trying to make modern sex work sound like people in the gigi era made courtesan work sound but since so much sex work discourse is based around presentist condescension about how awful people in the old days were any similarities make these educated lib typs super defensive since the only way to resolve that particular contradiction is by analyzing the materialist circumstances any given sex worker in any time period labors under rather than just assuming every sex worker is a part of a uniform class with fundamentally identically motivations

# ? Jan 31, 2024 08:32

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# ? May 23, 2024 09:39

theflyingexecutive: Apr 22, 2007

Some Guy TT posted:

rewatching edge of tomorrow off the thread recommendation and i find it pretty funny how the premise simultaneously requires that tom cruise has to do a troop embed because hes an important public relations guy but also hes simultaneously so unimportant that the limey general easily bullshits him into getting pressganged under a false identity and nobody notices or cares

now you could read this as a starship troopersesque satirical statement on how the united army sucks but lets just face it this is just typical lovely hollywood screenwriting that fortunately doesnt do too much damage to an otherwise strong scifi premise that was culturally appropriated from glorious nippon

branagh was petty and cruise was cowardly enough to threaten him. it would be easy enough for branagh to tell the us "oops, he died in all the confusion" so he was sent to die, simple as that. if he had actually been important, he wouldn't have been sent over alone

# ? Jan 31, 2024 09:36

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