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Tree Dude posted:N... T... Z... That guy sounded exactly like Harrison at first so I thought he was just faking having a guest on lol
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One of my favorite bits is when Alex has a terrible guest like that guy on and realizes it partway through and he's stuck here now. It's great. E: Who the gently caress is this guy pretending to be a mob boss in the Sweary Kerry Lake recording? I don't gotta hand it to her but this dude is such a dipshit. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jan 29, 2024 |
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Grand Fromage posted:One of my favorite bits is when Alex has a terrible guest like that guy on and realizes it partway through and he's stuck here now. It's great. quote:Jeff DeWit, a former Arizona treasurer and Trump adviser, resigned as chair of the state GOP on Wednesday following the release of an audio recording in which he offered Kari Lake a lucrative job if she quits her U.S. Senate race. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2024/01/24/jeff-dewit-arizona-gop-chair-resigns-after-kari-lake-offer/72340721007/
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I'm still just slowly chipping away at the "debate" (tried to have massive fuckin quotes around that one) episode, but I just have to ask... has anyone involved in that trainwreck actually said anything after the fact about it? The sad part was, other than Alex Jones, the other people involved in that actually seemed to want to pay lipservice to having a debate, if not actually having a debate. The discussion when Alex Jones was "taking a piss" was sorta-kinda interested because it people actually talking and not just Alex Jones trying to host his show over 5 people talking about something else.
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Dan should’ve added in the weirdest part of Alex’s coverage of the Lake recording that he brought up at least twice covering it. There’s a part where the audios distorted, to me it sounds like some kind of bag or paper is being crumpled near the mic. But Alex asserts it’s the sound of Kari Lake eating carrot sticks so he can chuckle about how beautiful women are always snacking on carrots and celery to watch their figures. It’s all in the same weird paternalistic/horny tone you can hear on the last ep where he mentions waitresses “always” getting better tips when they call him “darling”.
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Randalor posted:The sad part was, other than Alex Jones, the other people involved in that actually seemed to want to pay lipservice to having a debate, if not actually having a debate I don't think so. They went on Alex Jones's show to do it, they had to know nothing worth saying was going to be said. It'd be like the washington generals thinking they're going out to play a real game of basketball
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:I don't think so. They went on Alex Jones's show to do it, they had to know nothing worth saying was going to be said. It'd be like the washington generals thinking they're going out to play a real game of basketball Oh, no, but they were actually talking, and having a back-and-forth discussion rather that whatever-the-gently caress that was when Alex was there. Like I said, at the very least pretending to have an actual debate.
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I think I am getting AJ brain, because I'm pretty sure that HBO's 1997 satire The Second Civil War is now predictive programming.
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Marsupial Ape posted:I think I am getting AJ brain, because I'm pretty sure that HBO's 1997 satire The Second Civil War is now predictive programming. Predictive programming, or the fact that satire and speculative fiction is just pointing out what is already there? The same problems from 1997 are still here in 2024, just dumber and with a newer coat of paint on them
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rotinaj posted:Predictive programming, or the fact that satire and speculative fiction is just pointing out what is already there? The same problems from 1997 are still here in 2024, just dumber and with a newer coat of paint on them Yeah, but I was high and remembered a movie I saw when I was 16. That is significant.
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Marsupial Ape posted:Yeah, but I was high and remembered a movie I saw when I was 16. That is significant. Okay NOW I am in with this being a big conspiracy
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rotinaj posted:Okay NOW I am in with this being a big conspiracy Yeah, dude, it’s all about context!
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Man, this episode was... frustrating beyond belief. I don't think Jordan did a bad job as an interviewer, other than his usual habit of dipping a little too far into colorful hyperbole that made it easy to laugh off some of his points. But man, gently caress Stelter. He is every bit as much of a coward as I remember from seeing him on CNN with how he refuses to acknowledge any kind of personal stake in politics or stand for literally anything other than "be nice to journalists, pretty please."
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Generic American posted:Man, this episode was... frustrating beyond belief. I don't think Jordan did a bad job as an interviewer, other than his usual habit of dipping a little too far into colorful hyperbole that made it easy to laugh off some of his points. But man, gently caress Stelter. He is every bit as much of a coward as I remember from seeing him on CNN with how he refuses to acknowledge any kind of personal stake in politics or stand for literally anything other than "be nice to journalists, pretty please." Nah. The whole point of Jordan's raving doomer schtick is that it's a counter balance to Dan's cool collected calculus which results in humor. In this interview he kept returning to his nebulous question of why Stelter wasn't a raving doomer like himself, which just isn't as funny a question as Jordan seems to think. Stelter answered as best he could, but Jordan just kept asking his same question over and over in less articulate ways. It was clear that Stelter was frustrated with how Jordan seemed incapable of absorbing anything he said to carry on a cohesive conversation. Jordan, please think of a more than one question! And find a pronoun other than "you" to use when speaking about people, your lack of specificity is seriously confusing.
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It's very easy for someone like Stelter to just dismiss Jordan given how often he'll just toss off some poo poo he made up or heard on twitter once for the point he's trying to make. When you have an almost childlike binary black and white worldview it doesn't take much to break those points. Dan knows Jordan's heart is in the right place so he's willing to walk through it to the reality, but if you're just some rando why would you? The show's a perfect pairing. I don't think either the Jordan only or Dan only episodes work that well. Together it's magic. E: Stelter's "don't call those guys with the Nazi flags fascists, we just disagree" thing also sucks to be clear. Not pro-STEEEEEEEEELTEEEEEEEERR, THE ENEMYYYYY Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Jan 31, 2024 |
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Jordan's an anarchist arguing with a liberal, and those conversations are always going to go in circles Stelter seems nice enough, though
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I would say that the much bigger problem for me was how Stelter just kept retreating over and over to his comfortable little dichotomy between "true believers" in conservatism (the good people) and "bad faith actors" (the bad people) at Fox without ever engaging with Jordan's attempts to walk him through the chain of why the true believers are every bit as dangerous or that they could also be lying and he just doesn't (want to) realize it yet. Which is just downright laughable with how naïve it is for Stelter to believe in this fantasy world where every single fascist is clearly and visibly a bad actor from the jump when their entire strategy revolves around laundering their ideology through the exact same kind of people that he would have friendly dinners with. That you probably could've asked him about Tucker Carlson back in 2012 and he probably would've given the tried and true "I don't agree with his views, but at the end of the day we both want what's good for this country" speech instead of calling him a liar. Also his dodge on Jordan's point how openly evil Reagan was and how that should be a sign of how long this has been a problem? That was just embarrassing for someone who claims to be any kind of political expert. "Oh, that was before my time." He can gently caress right off with that bullshit.
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Stelter doesn't seem to understand that what he calls good faith actors are giving cover for howling fascists, which by definition makes them either liars or naive. Like, if you work at an organization that employs Tucker Carlson, you're helping Tucker Carlson, which means you're morally okay with Tucker Carlson existing.
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Froghammer posted:idk man, ranking Stelter as being equally evil to anyone employed at Fox is a bit of a stretch I am not sure where exactly you misread me as saying “equally evil”, but I was saying that the centrist libs who do that kind of poo poo are complicit and will bend themselves into pretzels to ignore that Complicit and equally evil are not the same thing, just that stelter and his like are not as innocent as they like to behave and believe
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Froghammer posted:idk man, ranking Stelter as being equally evil to anyone employed at Fox is a bit of a stretch When he is the exact sort of media figure who (in fairness, I can't remember if he covered it back then, so I'm speaking generally about CNN here rather than Stelter, who is just stubbornly clinging to that worldview) stood up and dramatically screeched "how DARE you, good sir!" in solidarity with Fox News to Obama during his presidency when he called them destructive and started taking their questions less often during press conferences, I really don't think it is that big of a reach. If you go out of your way to use your credibility to defend the sacred honor of racists or show more concern over calling them out than their actions to directly hurt people, then I think that makes you pretty drat complicit.
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"Well I'm not going to call the racists racist but..." was enough for me. Completely decorum poisoned
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rotinaj posted:I am not sure where exactly you misread me as saying “equally evil”, but I was saying that the centrist libs who do that kind of poo poo are complicit and will bend themselves into pretzels to ignore that At the end of the day he's a member of the mainstream liberal media empire, which exists to farm outrage over the conservative media empire, so of course he's going to maintain a business relationship with people that, if he were principled, he should punch in the mouth. Stelter said a lot of stuff that made me frustrated, but "I've talked to people that work at Fox News because I'm a journalist and that's how you do journalism at this level" wasn't one of them. Megabound posted:"Well I'm not going to call the racists racist but..." was enough for me. Completely decorum poisoned
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Froghammer posted:Stelter said a lot of stuff that made me frustrated, but "I've talked to people that work at Fox News because I'm a journalist and that's how you do journalism at this level" wasn't one of them. Stenography isn't journalism, and if you just take what everyone tells you at face value and never look into any claims or look at the actual truth, you're a stenographer Piell fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Jan 31, 2024 |
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All I could think of during the interview was that, “man, his books sales must be sucking”. I agree that Dan and Jordan come across like the perfect pair. Jordan does well with some interviews if they can realize that they live in the same reality. Guys like Stelter live in a different reality where Fox guys like Wallace can come and work at CNN so you walk a thin line about complicit individuals. Stelter wants a reality where the people he likes are good and the people he does not like are bad. He is awfully close to cheerleading his “team” over the other team without realizing that his “team” includes bad people as well.
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I dunno if I would say that Stelter is complicit, but he does have that boomer mindset where your howling fascist neighbors with their confederate flags, etc. are fundamentally good people who can be reasoned with, which is the same mentality that ultimately got us 4 uninterrupted years of trump presidency.
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Mercury_Storm posted:I dunno if I would say that Stelter is complicit, but he does have that boomer mindset where your howling fascist neighbors with their confederate flags, etc. are fundamentally good people who can be reasoned with, which is the same mentality that ultimately got us 4 uninterrupted years of trump presidency. That sounds pretty complicit to me
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rotinaj posted:That sounds pretty complicit to me Agreed. If your repertoire of anecdotes includes that time you shared the dance floor with Maria Bartiromo at a private party during Davos... you might be part of the problem.
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In addition to moral questions, I just plain don't give a flying gently caress what Brian Stelter has to say. He's a boring man and he's only relevant to the podcast in as much as Alex has the weird hate-boner for him. There's no relevant substance to the interview. I shut it off after 5-10 minutes and listened to The David Grisman Quintet instead. I'm pretty sure I had a significantly more pleasurable time than had I continued to listen to that talking thumb's opinions.
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Jordan's guesting on a podcast called Coast to Coast PM. I hope this is good, Coast to Coast is such a rich source and if these dudes are funny this could fill the Wacky Wednesday-shaped hole in my heart. E: poo poo they're like a hundred eps deep. Please be good I want this.
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I finished listening to the second part of the debate "special" and, not gonna lie, I kept expecting Dan to say, "And this is when Alex tried to beat Destiny to a pulp and everyone else had to restrain him". Alex was just outright slurring almost all his speech by the end, it sounded like it was an absolute shitshow even by absolute shitshow standards.
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Grand Fromage posted:Jordan's guesting on a podcast called Coast to Coast PM. I hope this is good, Coast to Coast is such a rich source and if these dudes are funny this could fill the Wacky Wednesday-shaped hole in my heart. Please report back. Especially if it’s more investigative/informative rather than purely comedic.
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Randalor posted:I finished listening to the second part of the debate "special" and, not gonna lie, I kept expecting Dan to say, "And this is when Alex tried to beat Destiny to a pulp and everyone else had to restrain him". Alex was just outright slurring almost all his speech by the end, it sounded like it was an absolute shitshow even by absolute shitshow standards. Twitter is going to come through with those reports proving everything Alex said to be correct any day now.
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Grand Fromage posted:Jordan's guesting on a podcast called Coast to Coast PM. I hope this is good, Coast to Coast is such a rich source and if these dudes are funny this could fill the Wacky Wednesday-shaped hole in my heart. This is great. Thanks for the heads up. Very much like a Project Camelot episode. Jordan is arguably the least annoying and least loud somehow, though. There's some audio leveling that didn't happen.
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Just a heads up someone who claims to have Alex Jones paintings from 1995 has a couple topics with pictures on the KF reddit. edit: nevermind the posts have been deleted. weird. Tree Dude fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Feb 2, 2024 |
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