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Philthy posted:That would be true if wages didn't go up significantly as well. The local Menards is hiring at $19-22/hr. Pre-covid they were $7.25. i know retail isn't "real jobs" but that's what the retail situation is like. that's what "there's nobody to hire! nobody wants to work!" actually looks like. the hourly rate looks great on the sign by the highway and it makes people like you go "wow they're paying so well" and then they don't want to let you actually work. it saves them money to have a computer do min-max hour assignments giving 20 people a single four-hour shift each rather than having actual regular shifts with a regular number of workers who get a regular number of hours
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TotalLossBrain posted:Hey fellow PE-havers. I got my EIT over a decade ago but all the PEs at my job told me not to bother, so I didn't. It has yet to come up.
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On top of all the "job not hiring" stuff, I asked every employer I interviewed with how many positions they were hiring for and how many interviews they had scheduled, and every single one of them said they had at least 100 interviews scheduled for anywhere between 1-3 open positions. And that's only the ones who were offered an interview, not total applicants. Even when a job is real, and has bullshit arbitrary rules like the above-mentioned "need 100% schedule availability for a job that provides 4 hours a week", the amount of competition for those spots is absurd.
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I used to get monthly sweaty emails from linked-in "we-paid-for-your-contact-info" headhunters begging me to talk to raytheon or advan-tech-sys or whatever other goofy name those defense contractors have and I realized the other day I havent' gotten one of those in like a year.The Moon Monster posted:I got my EIT over a decade ago but all the PEs at my job told me not to bother, so I didn't. It has yet to come up. I got my PE because everyone in my family also has their PE and they swore it would be really good for my career. Then I switched to programming and now people are like "P what?"
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Yeah I've been looking for work in the tech industry for almost exactly a year now and from what my friends and colleagues in the industry are saying, all these jobs I hear about must be in other industries. Funny thing, though, because all my friends who work in hospitality are saying the same, and my friends working in retail get bait and switched every single time they apply to one of these alleged well-paying jobs.
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deep dish peat moss posted:Something to highlight just how bad the job market/ghost job phenomenon is right now is that There were 9.6 million "open job postings" in September but only 150,000 were actually filled by the end of October per the BLS Yeah I spent last year job hunting and the wheat-to-chaff ratio was atrocious. Meanwhile my family was like, "How do you still not have a job with all your experience? The news says the job market is humming! You must be doing it wrong."
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Pennywise the Frown posted:Perhaps I have been misguided on what the game is. I still know nothing about it and haven't even looked anything up about it. I was told to go in blind. I'm surprised you haven't been completely spoiled, that game is over a decade old and there was endless discussion because gamers got a serious case of butthurt about it. It's interesting for what it was and there really hasn't been much like it since. If you do play it, be warned that its kind of a slog (some would say purposefully so) but I think its worth experiencing. Try to remember the context of when it came out and the glut of military cover shooters at the time. Bar Ran Dun posted:Don’t forget long term travel! Lol yeah, the drill crews I work with can be gone from home for six months at a time. Lotta divorced guys, you'd be surprised to learn The Moon Monster posted:I got my EIT over a decade ago but all the PEs at my job told me not to bother, so I didn't. It has yet to come up. I get to put "PE" after my name on my business cards and I can legally hold the title of "engineer". Also I have to do 30 hours of continuing education every two years. I was told I would need it for advancement but we currently have two project engineers without licenses. One of them never took the FE lmao 800peepee51doodoo fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Jan 31, 2024 |
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wash bucket posted:Yeah I spent last year job hunting and the wheat-to-chaff ratio was atrocious. Meanwhile my family was like, "How do you still not have a job with all your experience? The news says the job market is humming! You must be doing it wrong." Oh yeah that's always fun, I just love watching the time pass as my savings deplete and the people around me slowly stop sympathizing and start quietly wondering what's wrong with me  So many jobs I applied to that I was frankly perhaps overqualified for but I was desperate, got a form letter rejection 3 weeks later and saw them repeatedly take down and put up the same posting for 9 months straight
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Civil engineering (but not land development) is desperately hiring. Basically engineering students have been going into computer touching instead of real engineering for the last two decades and now the industry is hosed. We couldn’t fix all of the busted infrastructure even if anyone wanted to pay for it.
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woke kaczynski posted:Oh yeah that's always fun, I just love watching the time pass as my savings deplete and the people around me slowly stop sympathizing and start quietly wondering what's wrong with me I'm extremely thankful that I finally got a decent job that pays a living wage (even if it's much lower level work than I'm used to) but the entire hiring process took 4 goddamn months. A month between the application and first interview, and almost two months between first and second interviews, then another month before start date. I don't see myself leaving any time soon just because I don't want to go through all of that again  I'm just gonna chill and spend the next 6 years in school and hope the job market is better by the end of it.
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woke kaczynski posted:Yeah I've been looking for work in the tech industry for almost exactly a year now and from what my friends and colleagues in the industry are saying, all these jobs I hear about must be in other industries.  Data scientist with a PhD and 6 years of industry experience, and I know python, r, AWS, all that garbage. I’m at about a thousand applications right now. But yes, nobody wants to work anymore. It’s a useless job and everything, but I’m sick of this BS that I should be able to walk in anywhere and that “AI” is exploding. Boomers have also suggested that if the job market is so bad, I should just get a job as a “professor.” cat botherer fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Jan 31, 2024 |
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cat botherer posted:Boomers have also suggested that if the job market is so bad, I should just get a job as a “professor.” Hello school? One tenure please. Yes, I'll hold.
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ghost emoji posted:Thank you for this recommendation - I just helped him install Thunderbird and it loads great! The internet is being poisoned, like the Salton Sea. All reference material is rewritten by AI hallucinations. All links between different concepts are obscured by SEO stacking. Thousands of shadow copies of the same content exist, telephoned into conflicting narratives of the original news or research. It was bad enough when human eyes were involved in creating the shadow content. This flood of unmonitored content generation is accepted as mechanical truth, as reliable as a paperclip folding machine. And the more crap that exists, the more it will be used to categorize, summarize, and create other crap. So. Yeah, ghost kitchens, defunct LLCs registered to a cell phone and the empty lot next to the duplex, fictional companies from novels and fan forums, all kinds of crap...projected onto the map of the real world but somehow no way to reliably filter the hallucinations.
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withak posted:Civil engineering (but not land development) is desperately hiring. Basically engineering students have been going into computer touching instead of real engineering for the last two decades and now the industry is hosed. We couldn’t fix all of the busted infrastructure even if anyone wanted to pay for it. Civil engineering also kinda pays poo poo for an engineering job. Electrical pays way more right off the bat and you can segue into computers if you want without having to do anything.
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Yes the internet is mostly over. I hate looking stuff up now. Wikipedia is still sort of ok.
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This concept is a major plot point in neil Stephenson's Anathem which is like 15 years old now. Writing's been on the wall for a while
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RDM posted:This concept is a major plot point in neil Stephenson's Anathem which is like 15 years old now. Writing's been on the wall for a while It's like a Kessler Cascade but on the internet.
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Philthy posted:Cybersec is actually hiring on experience, not education. Most of IT has shifted from education because it can't keep up. They are looking for experience, and often times they will take completely unrelated IT people to fill those roles for the warm bodies. If anyone is a part of, or follows the major IT research companies they will all tell you to look for the experience and don't even consider the education. People graduating today are already 4-5 years behind. IT degrees have always been years behind for as long as there have been IT degrees. IT is moving away from degree-holders because they expect to be paid like degree holders, not some other stupid reason you made up. This is the same reason they are taking candidates with irrelevant experience, people with relevant experience expect to be paid for it. Modern IT jobs do not pay. Especially infosec, and doubly especially entry level infosec. Before I left the industry I applied to over 700 positions both inside and outside my areas of expertise. A single digit percentage even responded, and without fail, those that did were offering below living wage for wherever they expected me to live. I even got offered a few remote contracts that dynamically scaled their pay to basically poverty+20% in any state of my choosing. This has been the experience of every other job seeker in the field I've spoken to over the last two years. It's weird to watch you basically stan an industry you clearly do not understand. Please stop. I left for industrial automation and literally doubled my pay with no relevant experience. E: I missed a page here but I'm reassured to see even more people who have had my experience. As someone who has had severe impostor syndrome (back in the early 10s before it was cool) I was setting very bad deja vu applying to jobs for 6-8 hours a day for weeks straight with no response. Feels loving bad, man. Shit Fuckasaurus fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Jan 31, 2024 |
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RDM posted:This concept is a major plot point in neil Stephenson's Anathem which is like 15 years old now. Writing's been on the wall for a while I still call my smart phone a Jeejaw after reading that book.
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Cosmik Debris posted:Civil engineering also kinda pays poo poo for an engineering job. Electrical pays way more right off the bat and you can segue into computers if you want without having to do anything. That's changing due to the employment demand, if somewhat slowly. Entry level position salaries have gone up something like 20% in the last couple of years, at least in my market. My work has had office wide salary increases on top of CoL adjustments multiple times since I started a few years ago, just to accommodate the change in the industry. If you do get a CE degree you can basically demand whatever and work where ever you want. Our new hire "interviews" are more like sales pitches where we put prospects up at the Hilton, take them out to fancy dinners, offer signing bonuses, moving expenses, whatever we can to convince them to work for us instead of one of the other 8-10 places that have already given them offer letters. Also, I imagine there's plenty of people in this thread that would be overjoyed to make what civils make, because its still pretty solidly middle class, buy a house wages. Also civil is great because you can point at a bridge and be like, yeah I designed that bolt takeoff for the bent connection at C3 and people are like "woah cool".
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Oh also, has anyone in this thread pointed out that Nitter stopped working yet? Cause it has and it sucks poo poo
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800peepee51doodoo posted:That's changing due to the employment demand, if somewhat slowly. Entry level position salaries have gone up something like 20% in the last couple of years, at least in my market. My work has had office wide salary increases on top of CoL adjustments multiple times since I started a few years ago, just to accommodate the change in the industry. If you do get a CE degree you can basically demand whatever and work where ever you want. Our new hire "interviews" are more like sales pitches where we put prospects up at the Hilton, take them out to fancy dinners, offer signing bonuses, moving expenses, whatever we can to convince them to work for us instead of one of the other 8-10 places that have already given them offer letters. Also, I imagine there's plenty of people in this thread that would be overjoyed to make what civils make, because its still pretty solidly middle class, buy a house wages. civil engineer cope lol
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800peepee51doodoo posted:Oh also, has anyone in this thread pointed out that Nitter stopped working yet? Cause it has and it sucks poo poo The musk thread told me he killed it
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RDM posted:This concept is a major plot point in neil Stephenson's Anathem which is like 15 years old now. Writing's been on the wall for a while Loved that book, what a wild ride. One of the few books where once I finished it, I immediately started reading it again. Loved it.
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redshirt posted:Loved that book, what a wild ride. One of the few books where once I finished it, I immediately started reading it again. Loved it. it's the only stephenson book where i will admit it's good the whole way through
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poo poo Fuckasaurus posted:IT degrees have always been years behind for as long as there have been IT degrees. IT is moving away from degree-holders because they expect to be paid like degree holders, not some other stupid reason you made up. This is the same reason they are taking candidates with irrelevant experience, people with relevant experience expect to be paid for it. Modern IT jobs do not pay. Especially infosec, and doubly especially entry level 2nd this. Anyone who tells you that universities are churning out “outdated” cs degrees has zero clue what they’re talking about. This is just some nonsense they meme out to hr and recruiting drones as part of a campaign to depress entry level wages. It’s like calling an English or physics degree 10 years out of date. Entry level infosec is similarly an HR fabrication resetting passwords and searching splunk is not a security job. There is no such thing as entry level computer security.
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skooma512 posted:Spec Ops doesn't have any decisions though. The biggest scene is practically linear, and they say it's a choice because you could simply just stop playing before you did that thing, that was the other choice. The big narrative hurdle for games who want to say something "important" is what happens when a player says, "No." And shockingly, they're not equipped for that and it breaks their stories. When Bioshock was released, I was already sick of games with handholding guide characters who told you every single move to make. So before I exited the bathesphere at the beginning of the game, I decided I was going to do the exact opposite of whatever the guy on the radio told me to do. I heard so many 'Would you kindly..." lines repeated over and over that I went "Would you kindly gently caress off." Of course, when I got to the twist, the story failed since I hadn't engaged with the game the way I was intended to. When I went to play Spec Ops: The Line, I already knew what happens in the game so I just decided to see what happens if I didn't do war crimes. Turns out you're not allowed to progress out of the tutorial without attacking civilians so I just uninstalled.
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200k ops jobs don't exist in the Midwest. Even for enterprise architects. Like most things, whatever the C suite fad happens to be is the only thing that pays. We have a loving AI Engineer being hired on, for retail, after laying off the only network engineers that knew our Frontline and contracted that out to some firm on the coasts. 4 9s has become 3 but because it was a management decision and consequence, we hear nothing but good things.
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Large Testicles posted:it's the only stephenson book where i will admit it's good the whole way through It had an actual ending!!! While The Baroque Cycle may be his magnum opus, Anathem definitely my favorite of his books. May of been Diamond Age if the ending wasn't a bit of a mess.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:200k ops jobs don't exist in the Midwest. Even for enterprise architects. Indeed.com shows dozens of open postings advertising $200+ on the high end in Chicago, Minneapolis, Cincinnati, Columbus and Detroit, and high 100s in Indianapolis, Des Moines, St. Louis, and Omaha.
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Cerekk posted:Indeed.com shows dozens of open postings advertising $200+ on the high end And what have people been posting about these ghost positions?
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Cerekk posted:Indeed.com shows dozens of open postings advertising $200+ on the high end in Chicago, Minneapolis, Cincinnati, Columbus and Detroit, and high 100s in Indianapolis, Des Moines, St. Louis, and Omaha. A job posting's listed pay grade does not indicate that anyone will ever be paid that amount for doing that job, if said job even exists at all.
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TotalLossBrain posted:And what have people been posting about these ghost positions? Well one guy posted that he knows people getting paid that, and then another guy posted an anecdote that he personally had a hard time finding a job, so I think I'll go with the holistic body of evidence and the all time low unemployment rate rather than the bitter musings of some randos that for all we know are unqualified for the positions they're applying for.
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what the unemployment rate means: "Employed people are those who did any work at all for pay or profit in the reference week" what is happening in hourly retail work: full availability will get you four hours a week one logical inference, which is backed by data and has been written about before: the unemployment rate includes an awful lot of underemployed people who "have jobs" but still can't make a living yet idiots continue to insist: "the unemployment rate is at an all-time low, so it's obvious you can easily get a $200k job in the midwest unless you're stupid and lying in this thread"
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Cerekk posted:Well one guy posted that he knows people getting paid that, and then another guy posted an anecdote that he personally had a hard time finding a job, so I think I'll go with the holistic body of evidence and the all time low unemployment rate rather than the bitter musings of some randos that for all we know are unqualified for the positions they're applying for. Truly, humanity's ability to ignore evidence directly in front of it and just decide to keep believing whatever they want is astounding.
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Cerekk posted:Well one guy posted that he knows people getting paid that, and then another guy posted an anecdote that he personally had a hard time finding a job, so I think I'll go with the holistic body of evidence and the all time low unemployment rate rather than the bitter musings of some randos that for all we know are unqualified for the positions they're applying for.
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