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bob dobbs is dead posted:his daughter went to harvard and lives in america so it would extremely funny if it was actually monarchical and he croaked Hmmm I think I have a pitch for the next hit YA novel
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bob dobbs is dead posted:his daughter went to harvard and lives in america so it would extremely funny if it was actually monarchical and he croaked Xi's daughter?
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Tai posted:Xi's daughter? yeah, xi mengze they let her in for going to harvard 2010, then xi became top dude 2013, but he didn't really fully show that he was gonna be a little poo poo until like, late 2014 or so bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Jan 31, 2024 |
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mengzdeez nuts
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here's an article where you can tell chinese-american relations still weren't as poo poo as they are now https://archive.is/rScHt#selection-1599.0-1624.0
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TEMPLE GRANDIN OS posted:mengzdeez nuts
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bob dobbs is dead posted:marx was dead set on believing that rich countries would do socialism first. he had to basically be shanghaied into supporting russia in their enthusiasm by engels and believed britain would be the first basically till he died Marx is like Freud. They were first with some incredible ideas. But were also wrong about just so loving much. At this point, if you view them as more than historical curiosities, you're a fool.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:yeah, xi mengze It still stuns me how fast things have changed since Xi took over. Yes, I know a decade is a looooooong time in politics, but drat.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Marx is like Freud. They were first with some incredible ideas. But were also wrong about just so loving much. Those communist countries that have tainted the concept of socialism were totalitarian command economies, that started off very poor, unskilled and agrarian. He wasn't wrong that these types of economies would fail in their implementation of his concept of socialism, mainly because he came up with the idea while he was living in Britain in the 19th century. A place that no longer exists and where it was never tried. So we will never know if it would have worked or not. I really doubt it would work with the economies of today, so yeah, it's an interesting historical idea, tailored to a bygone era. It's a bit unfair to declare them wrong about so much because it didn't work where he said it wouldn't work, though.
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i actually work on a planned economy ai dealio occasionally on my spare time, and it always ticks me off when peeps say that marx diagnosed the problems of capitalism correctly, because if he did he would put up some sigfigs of prediction that peeps could rely on. it's social science, no sigfigs viable - but that means that the cool poo poo you get from predictive science is not possible
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Megillah Gorilla posted:It still stuns me how fast things have changed since Xi took over. Yes, I know a decade is a looooooong time in politics, but drat. It feels like just a few years ago I was hearing optimistic takes on him going after corruption on the radio.
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going after corruption has never meant anything other than attacking one's (potential) political enemies
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Mozi posted:going after corruption has never meant anything other than attacking one's (potential) political enemies What? Are you saying Hong Kong going ahead with article 23 was to clamp down on dissent???
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Tai posted:What? Are you saying Hong Kong going ahead with article 23 was to clamp down on dissent???  This very concerning
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Marx is like Freud. They were first with some incredible ideas. But were also wrong about just so loving much. what was marx wrong about?
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Cactus Ghost posted:what was marx wrong about? We did it ladies and gentlemen We found the most loaded question on SA
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Cactus Ghost posted:what was marx wrong about? For instance, the idea that communism would start in britain.
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Coolguye posted:We did it ladies and gentlemen he made a bold statement; i asked if he'd elaborate on it. im interested to hear what he has to say
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a loaded question would be asking forums poster "bob dobbs is dead" if he still masturbates with peeps or has he sought treatment
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you know, men can get yeast infections too, its just rarer due to geometry
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Cactus Ghost posted:he made a bold statement; i asked if he'd elaborate on it. im interested to hear what he has to say "a 19th century philosopher was wrong about a lot of things he said" is, in fact, not a bold statement at all it is a much more surprising thing to be able to say "a 19th century philosopher got more things right than wrong" this is sort of the nature of philosophy in general. when you make large, sweeping statements and try to summarize life, society, and the universe, you're gonna be wrong a LOT. you're only likely to get more wrong as centuries pass.
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Cactus Ghost posted:what was marx wrong about? Marx's predictions about the inevitable collapse of capitalism and the emergence of a communist society have not materialized as he envisioned. Additionally, critics argue that his ideas did not fully account for the complexities of human nature and the potential for authoritarianism in socialist systems.
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Has there been a political revolution that has turned out better for the people, in general, as opposed to those who end up on top? I don't mean counter revolution, which are usually a return to the ante revolutionary status quo, due to the revolution sucking balls. Like the American Revolution, lots of colonists died, and very little changed for them. Slavery was preserved and natives got screwed. French revolution royally hosed France*, and much of Europe was plunged into 40 years of warfare. *2 million french dead by 1815. Has there been a good one?
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Collateral posted:
The next one surely!
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Marx forgot to add ''how will humans gently caress this up'' when writing his manifesto.
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Collateral posted:Has there been a political revolution that has turned out better for the people, in general, as opposed to those who end up on top? 
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Tai posted:Marx forgot to add ''how will humans gently caress this up'' when writing his manifesto. this was legit one of the things his contemporaries rode his rear end about and one of the things that set the good Enlightenment thinkers apart from the worse ones if you look at the writings of Franklin and Locke vs, for example, Jefferson you see it starkly. Franklin and Locke are constantly red-teaming their own poo poo, Jefferson just spins an interminable yarn about how awesome everything will be when everyone's finally in a properly anti-federalist world.
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remember... music is the weapon! Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Jan 31, 2024 |
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Dandywalken posted:remember... music is the weapon! Sad counterrevolutionaries https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGLGzRXY5Bw Revolutionary vanguard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP2FyYSUJ54
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Do revolution, figure out details later: https://youtu.be/eXnbo09kGFI
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Collateral posted:Has there been a good one? It's hard to begrudge the Haitian Revolution, the world's largest slave uprising since the Roman Republic was around.
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Collateral posted:Has there been a political revolution that has turned out better for the people, in general, as opposed to those who end up on top? Yes. The American Revolution for one. I encourage you to actually pick up a book and read about the causes and impacts of the revolution before you make such incoherent posts.
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hmmm this thread got dumb as poo poo real quick
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Gaius Marius posted:Yes. The American Revolution for one. I encourage you to actually pick up a book and read about the causes and impacts of the revolution before you make such incoherent posts. Agreed. Heres a primer if videos are more your speed
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NoiseAnnoys posted:hmmm this thread got dumb as poo poo real quick Yeah I can’t imagine why people might have thought it wasn’t serious time right now
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NoiseAnnoys posted:hmmm this thread got dumb as poo poo real quick so quit posting already
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'Very little changed for the US after the US Revolution'? Uh. What?? What.
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NoiseAnnoys posted:hmmm this thread got dumb as poo poo real quick Thank you for your contributions, Comrade.
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Coolguye posted:this was legit one of the things his contemporaries rode his rear end about and one of the things that set the good Enlightenment thinkers apart from the worse ones Jefferson does take a turn into pragmatism when he starts holding office but it is funny just how pie in the sky some of his idealistic views were. Him and Madison were an odd pair but quite entertaining to read about.
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