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sullat posted:My kid asked me what marxism is today. I put him off by telling him it was bedtime but someone post a quick rundown of Marxism for a 10 year old please. Thanks in advance. tell him he's forbidden to read about it
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Marxism is when people study why workers let their bosses take so much of the money they make even though the bosses don't do any real work.
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Jan 31, 2024 18:29
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Marx was an innovative political economist. Marxists are is a loose collective of those that have realized the horrors of colonialism, will debate all at the pub, thrive on psedu intellectualism, relentlessly avoid compromise, all whilst collecting their well earned welfare payouts.
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Feb 1, 2024 00:23
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sounds like a sweet deal
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Feb 1, 2024 00:30
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BillsPhoenix posted:Marx was an innovative political economist. No u
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Feb 1, 2024 00:53
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BillsPhoenix posted:Marx was an innovative political economist. bantha pseudu
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Feb 1, 2024 01:09
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what karl popper does to a motherfucker
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Feb 1, 2024 01:18
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sullat posted:My kid asked me what marxism is today. I put him off by telling him it was bedtime but someone post a quick rundown of Marxism for a 10 year old please. Thanks in advance. buy him a bunch of lego sets have him build them all then take them away and hide them in your closet, and tell him they are yours because you bought the legos
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Feb 1, 2024 01:19
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I thrive on psudoku intellectualism
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Feb 1, 2024 01:20
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Has there been a political revolution that has turned out better for the people, in general, as opposed to those who end up on top? I don't mean counter revolution, which are usually a return to the ante revolutionary status quo, due to the revolution sucking balls. Like the American Revolution, lots of colonists died, and very little changed for them. Slavery was preserved and natives got screwed. French revolution royally hosed France*, and much of Europe was plunged into 40 years of warfare. *2 million french dead by 1815. Has there been a good one?
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Feb 1, 2024 04:04
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fart simpson posted:Has there been a political revolution that has turned out better for the people, in general, as opposed to those who end up on top? Are you loving kidding
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Feb 1, 2024 04:10
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fart simpson posted:Has there been a political revolution that has turned out better for the people, in general, as opposed to those who end up on top? the Carnation Revolution!!!
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Feb 1, 2024 04:19
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Feb 1, 2024 04:37
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fart simpson posted:Has there been a political revolution that has turned out better for the people, in general, as opposed to those who end up on top? Yes - the overthrow of communism in Poland. It's indisputable that the polish are better off under the capitalist mode of production
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Feb 1, 2024 04:39
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mila kunis posted:Yes - the overthrow of communism in Poland. It's indisputable that the polish are better off under the capitalist mode of production sure, but i said no counter revolutions because thats cheating
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Feb 1, 2024 04:49
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fart simpson posted:Has there been a political revolution that has turned out better for the people, in general, as opposed to those who end up on top? The whole point of revolution is to have the people end up on top OP.
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Feb 1, 2024 10:47
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fart simpson posted:Has there been a political revolution that has turned out better for the people, in general, as opposed to those who end up on top? the cuban revolution
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Feb 1, 2024 13:39
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I think it's a syq. Would love to know what answers it got in its original environment thougj
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Feb 1, 2024 15:45
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In Training posted:I think it's a syq. Would love to know what answers it got in its original environment thougj The next one surely!
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Feb 1, 2024 16:13
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In Training posted:I think it's a syq. Would love to know what answers it got in its original environment thougj Marx forgot to add ''how will humans gently caress this up'' when writing his manifesto.
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Feb 1, 2024 16:14
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those were the first 2
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Feb 1, 2024 16:14
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In Training posted:I think it's a syq. Would love to know what answers it got in its original environment thougj It's from the bad china thread, the answer was "the American revolution"
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Feb 1, 2024 16:14
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americans are the most brainwashed and propagandized people on the planet
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Feb 1, 2024 16:21
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fart simpson posted:Marx forgot to add ''how will humans gently caress this up'' when writing his manifesto. Lol.
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Feb 1, 2024 16:27
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fart simpson posted:Marx forgot to add ''how will humans gently caress this up'' when writing his manifesto. wow
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Feb 1, 2024 18:09
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fart simpson posted:Marx forgot to add ''how will humans gently caress this up'' when writing his manifesto. Excuse you, Chapter 1 of the Manifesto posted:Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master(3) and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.
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Feb 1, 2024 18:18
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Mr. Lobe posted:Excuse you, He really did see everything, didn't he?
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Feb 1, 2024 18:32
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Everything, even you touching yourself at night.
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Feb 1, 2024 19:50
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Mr. Lobe posted:Excuse you, that's right. two possible outcomes b*tches its sort of uplifting in the sense that even if the working class fails, they're taking everyone with them
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Feb 1, 2024 23:43
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Been reading Engels' Socialism: Utopian and Scientific. My wife has been curious about marxism and I've been trying to find an accessible gateway text for her. She has a master's but isn't used to dealing with heavy duty philosophy, so I need something that isn't overly academic. Anyway, I'm not sure this book is 100% right for her, but I wanted to highlight the passage at the beginning of part 3 for the lucidity of the writing. It's such a succinct and easy-to-understand definition of historical materialism that it's worth quoting in full. quote:The materialist conception of history starts from the proposition that the production of the means to support human life and, next to production, the exchange of things produced, is the basis of all social structure; that in every society that has appeared in history, the manner in which wealth is distributed and society divided into classes or orders is dependent upon what is produced, how it is produced, and how the products are exchanged. From this point of view, the final causes of all social changes and political revolutions are to be sought, not in men's brains, not in men's better insights into eternal truth and justice, but in changes in the modes of production and exchange. They are to be sought, not in the philosophy, but in the economics of each particular epoch. The growing perception that existing social institutions are unreasonable and unjust, that reason has become unreason, and right wrong, is only proof that in the modes of production and exchange changes have silently taken place with which the social order, adapted to earlier economic conditions, is no longer in keeping. From this it also follows that the means of getting rid of the incongruities that have been brought to light must also be present, in a more or less developed condition, within the changed modes of production themselves. These means are not to be invented by deduction from fundamental principles, but are to be discovered in the stubborn facts of the existing system of production.
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Feb 2, 2024 18:51
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"What is Marxism?", by Emile Burns. It's very good.
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Feb 2, 2024 19:03
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I like Principles of Communism , it's short and clearly written. a good person won't agree with all of it, but that's Engels for you.
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Feb 2, 2024 19:15
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Yeah, that's very, very succinct but for the bits at the end addressing contemporary libels against communism.
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Feb 2, 2024 19:24
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I’ve always thought wage labor and capital is a good starting point
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Feb 2, 2024 20:13
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Mandel Brotset posted:I’ve always thought wage labor and capital is a good starting point This and Value, Price, and Profit are the two texts that should be read first among primary sources before moving on to Capital and most likely bouncing off. Like I have, every time I've tried to get through it.
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Feb 2, 2024 20:22
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Mr. Lobe posted:This and Value, Price, and Profit are the two texts that should be read first among primary sources before moving on to Capital and most likely bouncing off. Like I have, every time I've tried to get through it. these two are the ones I recommend the most when someone gets the red fever after learning for a bit and having a taste. Both are excellent to give an outline of theory and from there its much easier to build any other reads upon
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Feb 2, 2024 21:38
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Mandel Brotset posted:I’ve always thought wage labor and capital is a good starting point This one I've read and it's great
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Feb 2, 2024 22:59
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Thanks for the suggestions, I'll check them out!
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Feb 3, 2024 00:04
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So I'm going through the whole critical support for China and butting heads with the anti-CPC people in my local org thing and I've been skimming through Roland Boer's Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners in a half-baked effort to understand more about China's model. Boer brings up that markets existed in various forms before capitalism and that non-socialist countries employ some elements of planned economies etc, to the point that markets and planning can be de-coupled from the overall system of which they form only a constituent element which, sure, I guess. But this passage where he quotes one Yang Jinhai is one I take issue with and would like help understanding:  What is meant by "efficiency" here? It seems really strange to equivocate the concept of a market with "efficiency". It's a qualifying term: efficient at what, exactly? It implies that the American market driven economy is efficient, which again depends on the metric in question. Given the amount of abandoned structures, sprawl, wasted food, redundancies etc in the US it seems that inefficiency is a feature of the market, as an expression of anarchy in production. Are markets efficient in concentrating wealth in the hands of a small minority? Sure. But even then I would argue that a hypothetical planned economy in which one person was allowed to appropriate the totality of surplus value could do that better, too. I feel like you could make the case that markets are efficient in the sense that they reduce administrative overhead for identifying consumer demand? But it seems like the planned economies' stifling of efficiency Yang talks about are problems arising from the logistical burden of trying to plan an economy without the aid of digital networks and computers. I think the USSR's Gosplan employed something like 3 million people performing calculations by hand to allocate resources, which I like to imagine could be done by a handful of computers, but I don't know enough about the inner workings of soviet planning to back any of these hunches up. feel free to call me a dumbass as my theoretical understanding of marxism and bourgeois economics as a whole are pretty scanty
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Why do organisations in Europe and the colonies spend time debating whether or not to support or criticize China? How does it help organise and struggle in their own countries?
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