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The movie should end with Saru blowing up her ship and saying "gently caress that bitch" and fade to black.
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Gangringo posted:Section 31 was an excellent idea that much like the Borg has become horribly mutated and diluted with overuse. It was a great example of how careful one must be in how a utopia is defended and how ideals and morals are so often ignored when people are given deniability. They were unambiguously presented as antagonists and a betrayal of the ideals of the federation hiding behind a warped sense of "the greater good". It also worked because DS9's entire last couple of seasons are 'how comfortable are you compromising on your ideals when life and death is on the line' and S31 is the ultimate expression of that. DS9 was also made in an era where subtlety exists, so the plot on Romulus succeeds and the story is about how Bashir feels about being played and realising he can't just tell the Romulans what happened. And the genocide plague is awful... but the cure only gets shared with the Founders after the war is won.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I predict the plot of Section 31 will be Michelle Yeoh destroying it because through her experiences she has learned their thinking is wrong. And that's why Section 31 in DS9 times is just one weirdo. How dare you make this movie sound like something I might like to see
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Night10194 posted:Dukat was always talking about how he was great for Bajor because he marginally reduced the rate people died in slave labor camps, without ever understanding that there were still slave labor camps, so nobody's going to give him the medal or statue he thinks he deserves for it. Dukat was a lib
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I predict the plot of Section 31 will be Michelle Yeoh destroying it because through her experiences she has learned their thinking is wrong. And that's why Section 31 in DS9 times is just one weirdo. Hell, do it one better and have her wipe out the ability to cross over to the mirror universe while she’s at it and it’s practically perfect. Cap both of those wells.
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Blue Moonlight posted:Hell, do it one better and have her wipe out the ability to cross over to the mirror universe while she’s at it and it’s practically perfect. Cap both of those wells. They will never kill off the ability to do "evil versions", as there is money to be made. Hell, I am absolutely certain that someone in Paramount is already planning for a new series that takes place 100% in the Mirror Universe because its the "dark, edgy and cool" version of the lame "science, diplomacy and peace"-universe. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Feb 1, 2024 |
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mirror universe shenanigans are great in tos and ds9 and thats all e: wait also the tng comics
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The Enterpise one made me laugh. Honestly, mirror universe always makes me laugh, so I don't really mind it. Ever. Although it's not "mirror universe" proper, the TNG one is probably the only serious mirror universe episode in Trek while also being the best one. It being the means of bringing Tasha Yar back is also just crazy... and the fact it spawned the plot for the TNG porn just makes it so remarkable.
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Blue Moonlight posted:Hell, do it one better and have her wipe out the ability to cross over to the mirror universe while she’s at it and it’s practically perfect. Cap both of those wells. According to Cronenberg on Discovery the mirror universe became too out of phase with the primary one in like the 2700s to cross over anymore
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John Wick of Dogs posted:According to Cronenberg on Discovery the mirror universe became too out of phase with the primary one in like the 2700s to cross over anymore god Cronenberg was great in DISCO. immediately elevated every scene he was in.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:According to Cronenberg on Discovery the mirror universe became too out of phase with the primary one in like the 2700s to cross over anymore yeah but she went back in the guardian of forever
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MikeJF posted:yeah but she went back in the guardian of forever That was like a spirit quest
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John Wick of Dogs posted:According to Cronenberg on Discovery the mirror universe became too out of phase with the primary one in like the 2700s to cross over anymore “The writers couldn’t imagine/extrapolate what a 31st century mirror universe would look like.”
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The_Doctor posted:“The writers couldn’t imagine/extrapolate what a 31st century mirror universe would look like.” Yea they can't even do the star trek normal universe, let alone a mirror one
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Taear posted:Yea they can't even do the star trek normal universe, let alone a mirror one I honestly expected the Burn to be some consequence of the mirror universe trying to conquer the main one that backfired and Georgiou was the key to fixing it.
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There should be a Disco season 5 episode where they go to the mirror universe in the 32nd century and the mirror universe is brimming with optimism and has a fully-functioning and thriving Federation which has peace alliances with all other major powers and never experienced the burn and the tone of the universe is that of SNW.
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The_Doctor posted:“The writers couldn’t imagine/extrapolate what a 31st century mirror universe would look like.” And yet the answer is so obvious: a highly advanced utopia where they've worked out all the fascism and dilithium still works
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Also the ships hulls are smooth with a nice pale blue-grey matte finish.
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feedmyleg posted:There should be a Disco season 5 episode where they go to the mirror universe in the 32nd century and the mirror universe is brimming with optimism and has a fully-functioning and thriving Federation which has peace alliances with all other major powers and never experienced the burn and the tone of the universe is that of SNW. Yes and there's a mirror starship crew that's really interesting and they talk about how they go on high concept missions and deal with morality problems but wrap up the plot within 45 minutes of runtime Ironically, the burn never happened because space Hitler genocided and ate all the kelpians
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It also makes thematic sense for the color saturation to be cranked way up on mirror universe vessels, since apparently their eyes are stupid or evil of something and they can't see good? I can't remember, but regardless, more color saturation.
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I remember some people theorising at the start of discovery that they were actually in the mirror universe the whole time lol. I guess they were part right with Lorca.
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No Dignity posted:And yet the answer is so obvious: a highly advanced utopia where they've worked out all the fascism and dilithium still works Really I think the Disco future we got was more like a civilization that hadn't solved its fascism problems yet, even if they ended up making it be because of a crying baby. I've also since read a couple Culture books and that's probably what they should've copied for future Trek depictions. Programmable matter seems like poo poo they could have by Prodigy's time.
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Khanstant posted:Really I think the Disco future we got was more like a civilization that hadn't solved its fascism problems yet, even if they ended up making it be because of a crying baby.
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Patrick Stewart looked like he enjoyed making this a thousand times more than Picard https://twitter.com/Sonic_Hedgeblog/status/1753080114223677873?t=4_ciDl28r8iSpogqwqQBpA&s=19
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I hope the lady who was the wife's disapproving sister minor character in the first movie, and then a surprisingly heavily featured character in the second movie, is the main human character of the Knuckles series.
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Are Creed even together anymore, I thought the lead singer left and the rest of the band changed their name?
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Gaz-L posted:Are Creed even together anymore, I thought the lead singer left and the rest of the band changed their name? I mean, they got two members of Creed and the rights to use Can You Take Me Higher, at least...
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Khanstant posted:It's so stupid they went so far out of their way to yank her evil mirror twin to bring her back to the universe instead of just going out of their way to bring a good one back. Now you are making me think this whole thing will climax with S31 Georgiou intercepting the boarding transporter stream during Battle of Binary Stars. Captain Georgiou is spared her fate, and Empress Georgiou takes her place, is killed by T'Kuvma, and views this as an attempt to pay for her evil deeds through self-sacrifice. Bonus points for a reunion scene at the end between OG Phillipa and a profusely sobbing Michael.
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That's suspiciously close to "They're retconning all of Discovery".
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Empress Georgiou just bounces around from series to series for a few episodes to murder a bunch of people then quantum leaps away Also Knuckles is there
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Plotac 75 posted:That's suspiciously close to "They're retconning all of Discovery". PleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePlease
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Accipiter posted:PleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePlease "u/Accipiter was banned from r/startrek"
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Tars Tarkas posted:Empress Georgiou just bounces around from series to series for a few episodes to murder a bunch of people then quantum leaps away Final, a contender for Wrath of Khan's crown.
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Mx. posted:mirror universe shenanigans are great Can we include "Living Witness" in that? Not technically a mirror universe episode, but the alternate history version of Voyager and her crew basically fill the same thematic space. Plus it's just a really good episode in its own right.
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W.T. Fits posted:Can we include "Living Witness" in that? Not technically a mirror universe episode, but the alternate history version of Voyager and her crew basically fill the same thematic space. All of the good episodes of Voyager featured more interesting alternate versions of the crew. And by the end they realied that and kept doing it over and over and over.
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https://warpfactortrek.com/production-designer-dave-blass-on-star-trek-picard-and-star-trek-legacy/ These are the worst kind of 'fans', putting in bullshit connections just because they thought it would be cool. It's exemplified the most in Section 31's Daystrom Station.
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Thranguy posted:All of the good episodes of Voyager featured more interesting alternate versions of the crew. And by the end they realied that and kept doing it over and over and over. And Blink of an Eye barely featured them at all and definitely belongs on a Top 50 Trek Episodes list, probably somewhere in the low 30s. Whichever one where the fake crew realized they were disintegrating grey goo also went HARD for a Star Trek episode. Voyager occasionally felt like a soak test for rejected show ideas for the previous series.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:And Blink of an Eye barely featured them at all and definitely belongs on a Top 50 Trek Episodes list, probably somewhere in the low 30s. yeah those eps were the best
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DaveKap posted:The Enterpise one made me laugh. Honestly, mirror universe always makes me laugh, so I don't really mind it. Ever. I’m sorry it spawned the plot for what?
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