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Cugel the Clever posted:I mean, trailer spoilers, but his vibes at Charlie outlining all the reasons for their imminent doom is "Steady, young padawan" and more "gently caress yes, leverage!" Mostly yes, and I'm sure that's how he sees this, but his short monologue about smiles seemed like him being rather more sincere than he usually is.
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Darth Walrus posted:Mostly yes, and I'm sure that's how he sees this, but his short monologue about smiles seemed like him being rather more sincere than he usually is. Something to note; during that conversation he has with Charlie he actually frowns and has sad expression for a half second. Specifically when talking about dooming everyone you love.
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Flopsy posted:Something to note; during that conversation he has with Charlie he actually frowns and has sad expression for a half second. Specifically when talking about dooming everyone you love. I don't think that's a sad expression. It's the same facial expression he's had in the eyes, he's just saying a "d."
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Like anything with Alastor, you can never be sure. But I've said before; I think Alastor whatever his motivations does have a genuine soft spot for Charlie, and even a measure of respect- amusingly because Charlie's almost as likely to be constantly smiling as he is, and even if it's more because of her nature than an active facade, it has similar effects. Indeed, it inspires her friends and allies, and keeps her enemies guessing, her positivity clearly puts a lot of Hell off-guard because it's something they don't know how to deal with, especially sinners who are used to living in the worst-case scenario, but it even seems to work with the angels, who probably did not expect the emissary of Hell to be a sweet smiling cream puff who wants to see their petting zoo. Alastor is very 'game recognises game', even with people who are doing very different things than he does. And I think whether he's your ally or your enemy, he's still going to be a gadfly at the best of times.
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:alastor is gonna reveal that the angels can and have been killed and plant the idea of fighting back, isn't he Definitely (especially with the “I know something you don’t know” comment). Besides, regardless of why he’s actually doing all this he needs to protect his investment and with Adam’s forces literally about to break down their door, sharing that information is pretty much the only thing that’s going to motivate Charlie into action at this point. As I’ve said before, once they get over the tension from last week Vaggie should be a valuable asset as well since she used to be an Executioner herself and I imagine Emily’s going to do something to try and help from her end too
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Flopsy posted:So turns out Charlie actually does have hoof feet. That's interesting. I thought everyone just had high heels? e: saw the trailer. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Jan 31, 2024 |
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Just realised something sobering - Alastor knows angels can be killed. So the question become whether that method also applies to fallen angels. We know two fallen angels in the series.
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Flopsy posted:Something to note; during that conversation he has with Charlie he actually frowns and has sad expression for a half second. Specifically when talking about dooming everyone you love. This is just a frame of animation. People on twitter keep bringing this up to like it's significant because other frames of animation for Alastor up to this point went out of their way to keep a smile on all the talking frames but I just think they neglected to do that a couple times in this one. I don't think it's meant to be on purpose at all
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i am gonna be stupid and weird here but did charlie just never notice vaggies scars. because if her wings were cut off/ripped out, then she must have scars unless is like a mech suit type deal. I mean charlie is also super oblivious and is the type who would never comment on that sorta thing but just curious.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i am gonna be stupid and weird here but did charlie just never notice vaggies scars. because if her wings were cut off/ripped out, then she must have scars unless is like a mech suit type deal. I mean charlie is also super oblivious and is the type who would never comment on that sorta thing but just curious. I think someone being badly scarred immediately after an extermination isn't probably very suspicious for most people in hell. Even if the scars make it look like someone literally ripped off some appendages that were supposed to be on your back - while wings on sinner demons seem rareish, Husk has a pair and there are probably others.
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SpiritOfLenin posted:I think someone being badly scarred immediately after an extermination isn't probably very suspicious for most people in hell. Even if the scars make it look like someone literally ripped off some appendages that were supposed to be on your back - while wings on sinner demons seem rareish, Husk has a pair and there are probably others. thats was sorta my though, plus charlie is charlie and it sounds like no one has ever seen exterminators with their masks off and lived for the most part. as someone who has caught up fully now, I like that heaven is actually Nice and that most of heaven doesnt know about the exterminations or at least what it entails. i also like that no one knows how to actually get into heaven outside that apperently peter has a list. so my guess is some random predestination type poo poo.
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Had wondered about the wing scars on her back myself but was able to write it off as Charlie being rather naive and taking things at face value. Vaggie could have told her anything and Charlie would have believed it. Demon fight, the angels tortured her, the whole eye thing helps to sell the lie easily. The question I'm really wondering is can demons kill her? She is still an angel and they can't be killed by demons via ordinary means. Betting when the attack happens or is a few minutes into it Emily will get it stopped. How? She'll rally Heaven to stop it. They didn't know. Do you think people in Heaven would want other human souls to be wiped out? I'm going to wager that's a no. Sure it's suppose to be the worse of the worse, except there is still a lot of probably not the worse of the worse down there, including family of those in Heaven. I can't imagine they'd be happy knowing those that didn't make it are being hunted and slaughtered every year.
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The Last Call posted:Had wondered about the wing scars on her back myself but was able to write it off as Charlie being rather naive and taking things at face value. Vaggie could have told her anything and Charlie would have believed it. Demon fight, the angels tortured her, the whole eye thing helps to sell the lie easily. The question I'm really wondering is can demons kill her? She is still an angel and they can't be killed by demons via ordinary means. There's a scene in the trailer of Charlie leading a revolt of some kind so I assume there will at least be a battle on their end before this is through.
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The Last Call posted:The question I'm really wondering is can demons kill her? She is still an angel and they can't be killed by demons via ordinary means. Vaggie's flashback does make a subtle point of showing Adam steal her halo before they abandon her, so that could be what normally protects angels from harm in Hell. 
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The You Didn't Know song does have angels start squabbling when they learn what's going on.
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Another question. Is Emily actually Lucifers replacement? Might explain why she's so young yet so very important.
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The Last Call posted:Another question. Could be. She would be weirdly young then though, considering how long ago Lucifer fell. Unless, of course, there have been others before who all fell as well. I guess it might be possible it just took time for a new seraphim in Lucifer's role to form/manifest/however angels pop into existence.
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Vivzie just finished a stream Q&A with Charlie and Alastor's VAs, here's the video link.
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Got myself caught up on the latest six episodes. Loved the pilot but it took me to episode 4 to really get on board. Man, so much of this show is too fast. I guess why Episode 4 stands out as the best is that the drama is focused on Angel Dust and takes its time to develop and the tension slowly builds. They threaded the needle rather deftly by starting the episode with dubcon jokes with Angel's porno films and then later in the episode having that scene where Valentino confront Angel in the change room and the direction utilizes a lot of sexually violent imagery while Angel's aloof demeanour breaks. The Angel/Valentino subplot is probably my favourite part of this show.
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DoubleCakes posted:Got myself caught up on the latest six episodes. Loved the pilot but it took me to episode 4 to really get on board. Man, so much of this show is too fast. I guess why Episode 4 stands out as the best is that the drama is focused on Angel Dust and takes its time to develop and the tension slowly builds. They threaded the needle rather deftly by starting the episode with dubcon jokes with Angel's porno films and then later in the episode having that scene where Valentino confront Angel in the change room and the direction utilizes a lot of sexually violent imagery while Angel's aloof demeanour breaks. Fingers crossed season 2 has more breathing room.
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SpiritOfLenin posted:Could be. She would be weirdly young then though, considering how long ago Lucifer fell. 'Young' can be relative. The shows play a bit fast and loose with how demons age, though hellborn seem to have more or less human life cycles. And it'd make sense- Emily is practically Heaven's mirror of Charlie, and it's pretty clear where Charlie gets her manic smiling energy from.
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Generic American posted:Vaggie's flashback does make a subtle point of showing Adam steal her halo before they abandon her, so that could be what normally protects angels from harm in Hell. Hazbin Hotel/Warhammer 40K shared universe? 
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Flopsy posted:Fingers crossed season 2 has more breathing room. I suspect it might. Helluva boss season 1 has similar issues where season one while having a bunch of great issues was very meandering and breakneck. 2 has been slower. my issues so far are mostly the pacing being very rushed which i can understand given indie animation on streaming and how quick they are to kill stuff. also angels new voice never clicks for me, i think the original guy does a better job over all, that being said i do think part of the issue with the voice is that its an obvious put on which seeing everything in the show, works. i do think the new guy does a good job with having the voice and character break at the right times. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Feb 1, 2024 |
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Leaks are out on YT for Ep 7 and 8 songs. Be wary, friends.
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The episodes are still not up, what's up with that. I want to watch.
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The Last Call posted:The episodes are still not up, what's up with that. Around what time has Amazon typically uploaded the episodes in past weeks? I’m looking forward to seeing these as well
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Larryb posted:Around what time has Amazon typically uploaded the episodes in past weeks? I’m looking forward to seeing these as well Usually by now they would have. Before it was after midnight they were up at some point, so I expected them by now.
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Huh, I assumed it was later in the evening. Hopefully it won’t be much longer though
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last week it was around 3.5 hours from now, i think
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global new releases standard practice for a given date is midnight GMT
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5 PM pacific
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Adder Moray posted:5 PM pacific In other words it should be up in another hour or two depending on your timezone
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I really like what they're setting up with Alastor here. If I may posit a guess I think he's on Eve's leash. And he's going to call in that favor with Charlie to free himself. Also love how the ending makes Sir Pentious the first successfully redeemed sinner in all of human history.
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Told you they had to confirm whether or not it could work by the end of the season. Surprised who, though.
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Overall a solid end to the season. I think my single biggest complaint with the whole show is that the 'ready for this' song from the trailer kind of sucked in practice. That son being an ear worm was what got me to watch Helluva Boss and Hazbin, but the trailer uses all the good parts of it while the episode cuts back and forth between the (Imho) terrible cannibal number. Overall the rest was great. Fun to watch Alastor chew the scenery and his fight with Adam. And I adored the menacing nature of his post injury rant. And oh Charlie you dumb girl. Didn't pick Sir Pentious as the one they'd off to show it worked, but honestly a better choice than angel as the latter is a more main cast member they want to stick around. Not sure what Lilith's whole deal is. Looks like she was in Heaven (maybe earth, but that seems less likely) and Adam being offed ended ended whatever she had going, but I can't tell if it was an exchange that ends because Adam isn't there to support it, or (and this was my first read) the deal was to have Adam killed. The latter doesn't feel like it makes sense since lute really did seem ride or die for Adam and shook up by his loss. Edit: On follow up, the Pentious thing feels kind of... weird. Particularly if heaven and hell are binary. If Emily did something to change the rules behind the scene, then it is just fine, but it is sort of silly otherwise. We've seen that not every soul in hell is bad, Carmilla was willing to sacrifice for her children and she's a drat overlord. It feels implausible that in 10,000 years no one marginally evil ended up in hell, resolved to change their ways and then died there. Caros fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Feb 2, 2024 |
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That was a legitimately good finale, we see Adam’s face and more of Demon Charlie, interestingly Pentious is the first one to get redeemed instead of Angel, Adam dies but Lute survives and we finally get our first proper meeting with Lilith at the end (who seems to be in league with Lute and hiding out in heaven for some reason) Also Emily didn’t get nearly as much focus as I expected (she just makes a small cameo at the end with Sera) Hopefully we won’t have too long a wait for the next season and that it gets a bit more time to breathe compared to this one (though from what I’ve read there’s a chance we might not see Hazbin again until next year) Larryb fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Feb 2, 2024 |
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So we all agree Adam's going to respawn in hell, right? Would actually make something click. Angels don't generally die and sinners don't generally put in the work to be redeemed. So the last step to getting "reassigned" being "you die again" makes some logical sense.
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Adder Moray posted:So we all agree Adam's going to respawn in hell, right? Would actually make something click. Angels don't generally die and sinners don't generally put in the work to be redeemed. So the last step to getting "reassigned" being "you die again" makes some logical sense. I was thinking the same thing. It would make a lot of sense, but would raise questions about people who already been killed and weren't reassigned. Are they super dead because they died again in their proper place or is there more to it? Not sure. When you introduce true death and afterlifes, these questions always get raised
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