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TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches
nope sorry

TehRedWheelbarrow fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Feb 1, 2024

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lines
Aug 18, 2013

She, laughing in mockery, changed herself into a wren and flew away.

TehRedWheelbarrow posted:

if you want to get metaphysical chaos is the natural transitive phase for creating new order.

40k folks dont like any change though

reminds me of something.

Ye-es. Ultimately Chaos is entropy - the "primordial annihilator". That's not necessary for change! Though uh not so much a fan of the Imperium's solution, to be clear.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Arc Hammer posted:

Not loving with Chaos blueballs Slaanesh.

Unfortunately this is one of Slaanesh's kinks. (Slaanesh is into every kink)

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

Crab Battle posted:

I've particularly liked getting a look at the character of Titus Endor, his arc is ultimately quite grounded and very depressing.

Best short story ever written for 40k, and GW (allegedly) goes "that won't do, never write anything this good again, and remember the Bolter Porn Quota® must stand".

lines
Aug 18, 2013

She, laughing in mockery, changed herself into a wren and flew away.
It's very depressing when you're reading, like, even the more cosmic parts of the E&TD and clearly some top office editor nerd has come in and said "no there needs to be a combat encounter here and you need to detail all the weapons they use in game-accurate language otherwise I can't get hard".

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.



"Did I leave the stove on?"

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!

Gravitas Shortfall posted:


"Did I leave the stove on?"



:hmmyes:

Although since John needs to retrace their path to leave the threads, presumably he'll wander by Pech eventually. Might want to leave that for last though in case he's salty about being left as a statue

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


EatD spoilers:I think it’s nice even with everything that was happening that Horus and The Emperor took some time out to play a few rounds of Horus Heresy: Legions.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO
It's too bad Emperor Text to Speech guy quit, all of this would be amazing content.

Sharkopath
May 27, 2009

MariusLecter posted:

It's too bad Emperor Text to Speech guy quit, all of this would be amazing content.

I think the Hunter the Reckoning series they've been working on is way better than the 40k stuff, so I don't mind.

Same characters, different setting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Kc0xuYnfQ&t=1419s

Behold the Emperor in all his majesty and foresight.

Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Feb 1, 2024

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

The reason I couldn't watch HtP was because the character were essentially the same, but it's also very obvious that they enjoy doing that more than TTS. They should've just said they quit instead of using the whole Animation TOS as an excuse.

Paddyo
Aug 3, 2007
Can someone just kill Erebus already? That freaking guy…

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Paddyo posted:

Can someone just kill Erebus already? That freaking guy…

Not while the gods still find him that rare combination of amusing and useful, no.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

Paddyo posted:

Can someone just kill Erebus already? That freaking guy…

His existence is to cause exactly this kind of response.

wiegieman posted:

Not while the gods still find him that rare combination of amusing and useful, no.

He is literally the most important pawn of the dark gods, they will never actually elevate him or whatever cause his drive to be so important and powerful is what makes it all work. loving stooge.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


MariusLecter posted:

His existence is to cause exactly this kind of response.

He is literally the most important pawn of the dark gods, they will never actually elevate him or whatever cause his drive to be so important and powerful is what makes it all work. loving stooge.

It's like asking how you can finally kill Lucius. You can't, he returns for Slaanesh's amusement and Slaanesh is a god, not an algorithm you can trick. The gods will rain their blessings down upon Erebus for as long as that's the funny thing that also gets them shiny new toys.

The fact that they do this right in front of Lorgar just makes it funnier.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Even assuming apotheosis to a Daemon Prince isn't soul-suicide, it really seems like it takes all the verve out of the Primarch what got raised to princedom.

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.

lines posted:

Now, the real question is: when are they going to bring Lizardmen into 40k?

Abnett already did.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Shirkelton posted:

Abnett already did.

Listen we can be more generous to Erebus than that

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


Potato Salad posted:

Listen we can be more generous to Erebus than that

no we can not.

Bob the terrible
Aug 9, 2006
We the readers are the cruel gods that laugh about the misery in 40k universe, and we love Erebus!

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

This was my first encounter with Erebus and I love how much of a oval office he is

Now, let me tell you why I think everyone lost in tEatD

lines
Aug 18, 2013

She, laughing in mockery, changed herself into a wren and flew away.

notaspy posted:

This was my first encounter with Erebus and I love how much of a oval office he is

Now, let me tell you why I think everyone lost in tEatD

Apart from Erebus!

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

He does a good “calm Hitler”

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

habeasdorkus posted:

Even assuming apotheosis to a Daemon Prince isn't soul-suicide, it really seems like it takes all the verve out of the Primarch what got raised to princedom.

Magnus seems to be the only one that got daemonized and mostly stayed the same. I wish Angron was a bit more than just a screeching rage-beast, but there you go.

Other like Perty and Lorgar have not shown up in any real capacity for us to really judge.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



MariusLecter posted:

He is literally the most important pawn of the dark gods, they will never actually elevate him or whatever cause his drive to be so important and powerful is what makes it all work. loving stooge.

Erebus doesn't want to be elevated to Daemon Royalty or become the next Warmaster - he loves being the Old Four's advocate and lobbyist.

Imagine any right wing talk radio dude backed by literal gods instead of Big Oil, the Kochs, and the Heritage Foundation.

It's the adage about loving your job and never having to work a day in his life. He's Gallant to Lorgar's Goofus.

E: I like and appreciate how the first captains of the traitor legions tend to better embody the chapters and gods than their Primarchs. It's like there's less distinction when the volume is turned down.

moths fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Feb 2, 2024

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

moths posted:



E: I like and appreciate how the first captains of the traitor legions tend to better embody the chapters and gods than their Primarchs. It's like there's less distinction when the volume is turned down.

Same. I assume it's due to them being a better grasp of the human experience, despite being gene-forged killing machines inducted as teens.

The Primarchs were literal magic babies from day zero (perhaps Angron not so much, but eh), and that bemds their curve in a different direction.

Azubah
Jun 5, 2007

Almost like you need a human soul to embody the potential of that aspect of chaos instead of whatever trapped chaos juice the primarchs are.

lines
Aug 18, 2013

She, laughing in mockery, changed herself into a wren and flew away.
I think they have souls, no? Just... really *weird* souls.

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!

lines posted:

I think they have souls, no? Just... really *weird* souls.

I think it's more that the primarchs are really weird souls first and foremost and their bodies are the less important component of their existence. That's why Fabius Bile doesn't really accomplish anything with attempting to clone the primarchs - he can make a replica of their body, but not of their soul.

lines
Aug 18, 2013

She, laughing in mockery, changed herself into a wren and flew away.

Kylaer posted:

I think it's more that the primarchs are really weird souls first and foremost and their bodies are the less important component of their existence. That's why Fabius Bile doesn't really accomplish anything with attempting to clone the primarchs - he can make a replica of their body, but not of their soul.

Right, yes - we don't really know anything about the secret sauce that the Emperor used to make their souls, right?

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


They're some kind of combination of Emps' genetic knowledge and the sorcery he got from the chaos gods. He knew enough to make the Custodes, but the Primarchs would be impossible to make without that extra push. They couldn't be created anywhere but the Warp.

At some level, he wished for them.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Custodes came with their own souls.

They are born on earth like normal people. Well some of them are I guess

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!

lines posted:

Right, yes - we don't really know anything about the secret sauce that the Emperor used to make their souls, right?

Exactly. I would guess that's one of the things that will always be left vague, it works just fine to say that maybe the Emperor stole knowledge/power from the Chaos gods, or maybe made a bargain and then cheated them, but only he and they know exactly what was done.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO
Ra Endymion deserved better.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


lines posted:

I think they have souls, no? Just... really *weird* souls.

Was it Guilliman who pointed out that, as much as they are of humanity, the primarchs are as much if not moreso of the warp?

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Humans are very warpy so it’s kind of misleading

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

It seems kind of like E took the warp presence of himself, cut it into 20(21) sections, and jammed it into baby bodies

The creation of the souls is the secret tech he “stole”

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!

Potato Salad posted:

Was it Guilliman who pointed out that, as much as they are of humanity, the primarchs are as much if not moreso of the warp?

Corax isn't :haw:

Plucky Brit
Nov 7, 2009

Swing low, sweet chariot

Potato Salad posted:

Was it Guilliman who pointed out that, as much as they are of humanity, the primarchs are as much if not moreso of the warp?
He and the Khan both have moments where they're teleported (through the warp) and feel a deep sense of belonging during the translation.

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lines
Aug 18, 2013

She, laughing in mockery, changed herself into a wren and flew away.
In the sense that they are all archetypal figures and the Warp is a domain literally formed in part from the archetypal and symbolic, it's possible that in fact they *are* the archetypes they embody.

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