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evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

Shageletic posted:

This was about an Israeli "mowing of the grass" that killed 250 Palestinians and exploding an AP building. Glad to see Biden'e love bombs putting an end to such atrocities

Yeah, it was some Zap Brannigan poo poo "Once Israel had run out of easy targets, I knew it was time to stop sucking up to Netanyahu and go, Man all this bombing innocent people is hard work, let's just call it a day".

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PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

https://twitter.com/typesfast/status/1753595542658220229

Houthis putting in the work and getting results

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
avigdor lieberman with the genius idea that egypt should just take gaza and jordan should take a tiny sliver of the west bank

https://x.com/ajarabic/status/1753806801127063963?s=46

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


Al-Saqr posted:

avigdor lieberman with the genius idea that egypt should just take gaza and jordan should take a tiny sliver of the west bank

https://x.com/ajarabic/status/1753806801127063963?s=46

I remember when this guy represented the insane right wing fringe of Israeli politics

lol, lmao

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Spoondick posted:

so like what happens if all these strikes embolden armed resistance groups and give them massive public support considering the context of this conflict is them fighting to end a genocide?

Man, I never considered that. Seems unlikely, though. Anyways, back to my day job at the state department.

Dokapon Findom
Dec 5, 2022

But have you considered whether the child murdered by the driver of that truck was riding an oversized bike?!?! Children riding oversized bikes are the scourge of our roadways!!

:nallears: Trump had 100 targets ready to go after Suleimani and all the people currently cheering on Israel said nooo don't do it it's genocide! Now they're bragging about doing the thing they shamed him for talking about! :mad: "We did it better, and more actually" :smuggo:

National Parks
Apr 6, 2016

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/typesfast/status/1753595542658220229

Houthis putting in the work and getting results

South Africans masterminding Yemen to get container traffic rerouted to cape, and accusing Israel of Genocide to cover for it. I think we finally found Ansar Allah's real motivation

Loucks
May 21, 2007

It's incwedibwe easy to suck my own dick.

Spoondick posted:

so like what happens if all these strikes embolden armed resistance groups and give them massive public support considering the context of this conflict is them fighting to end a genocide?

The only people whose opinion on this matters hold 7-8 figure long positions in Raytheon, at al. and are squealing delightedly.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Some Israeli want Egypt take Gaza as in claiming it as part of Egypt territory?

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

stephenthinkpad posted:

Some Israeli want Egypt take Gaza as in claiming it as part of Egypt territory?

Yeah it's been one of the far-right proposals for decades. Basically the moral equivalent of, say, forcing all the Native Americans to live in Northern Maine and then ceding it Canada.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




wouldnt solve anything for israeli security agaibst rockets and raids unless egypt depopulated the area themselves

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Real hurthling! posted:

wouldnt solve anything for israeli security agaibst rockets and raids unless egypt depopulated the area themselves

ah, you've discovered part 2 of the plan

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




hamas would end up controlling the suez canal with six months

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Real hurthling! posted:

hamas would end up controlling the suez canal with six months

well now I’m coming around on the idea

Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/03/world/middleeast/united-nations-gaza-unrwa.html https://archive.is/M0Q6D

quote:

When a senior U.S. diplomat called the Israeli military last week to request further details about Israeli allegations against a United Nations agency in Gaza, military leaders were so surprised that they ordered an internal inquiry about how the information had reached the ears of foreign officials.

The allegations were grave: 12 employees of the organization, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, or UNRWA, were accused of joining Hamas’s Oct. 7 attack on Israel or its aftermath.

The claims reinforced Israel’s decades-old narrative about UNRWA: that it is biased against Israel and influenced by Hamas and other armed groups, charges that the agency strongly rejects.

But while most Israeli officials oppose UNRWA, some military leaders did not want to see it shuttered amid a humanitarian disaster in Gaza. In fact, it was not the military that disclosed the information to the United States but UNRWA itself.

[...]

The American request caused consternation within Israel’s military intelligence directorate and strategy directorate, whose leaders had not known that the claims had been passed to UNRWA itself, let alone to the U.S. government. The strategy directorate was concerned that the claims had been circulated without a proper strategy.
:thunk:

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Spoondick posted:

so like what happens if all these strikes embolden armed resistance groups and give them massive public support considering the context of this conflict is them fighting to end a genocide?

That definitely won't happen. They've been fully deterred, it's over, America won.

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/typesfast/status/1753595542658220229

Houthis putting in the work and getting results

The Biden admin could learn a thing or two from Ansarallah, this is what actual deterrence looks like

But the Biden admin is staffed with genocidal white supremacists who would never consider they could learn something from Arabs

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

VoicesCanBe posted:

The Biden admin could learn a thing or two from Ansarallah, this is what actual deterrence looks like

But the Biden admin is staffed with genocidal white supremacists who would never consider they could learn something from Arabs

I'm just glad Kissinger lived barely long enough to see it all go sideways then died like 2 months later lol

Strep Vote
May 5, 2004

أنا أحب حليب الشوكولاتة

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/typesfast/status/1753595542658220229

Houthis putting in the work and getting results

direct action gets the goods every time

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

henry's body lies a mouldering in the grave
but his soul is marching on

haruspicy
Feb 10, 2023

Weka posted:

Could you expand on this a little for people who have never made love to a marine vessel? I searched for "para b&c" but it just had some crap about speakers.

https://www.bimco.org/Contracts-and-clauses/BIMCO-Clauses/Current/War_Risks_Clause_for_Voyage_Chartering_2013

paragraph B says that if the owners or crew suspect that they may be entering into a war risk area then they can cancel the charter.

paragraph C says if the owners or crew suspect that they may be entering a war risk area they can get rid of the cargo basically anywhere and charge the customer

Anyone who is trading warlike areas (gulf of guinea, black sea, for example) is removing this wording because if you’re making an agreement to trade Nigeria you don’t want the crew to be able to say they don’t want to go, as you have accepted the risk on their behalf by negotiating the deal.

If you own ships you make sure your crew are give proper compensation and you set out a policy, but there are plenty of people making agreements into warlike regions with this wording deleted and when it comes time to execute you just find a shipowner who is aligned with what you are willing to pay lumpsum to send the vessel there, and remove all wording that allows them to reject.

It can definitely be done above board by inserting strict orders about where the vessel needs to wait, or needs to proceed under military escort, or what guards or hardening need to be provided but these clauses are regularly pared back to where they are meaningless

In any situation like this there is a continual weighing of costs and every always requests maximum leeway and flexibility under the contract

It’s important to remember that it’s an industry made up of generally very stupid untrained laypeople who are asked to write and become familiar with very specific contractual wording that complies with esoteric rabbit holes of English law.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Al-Saqr posted:

avigdor lieberman with the genius idea that egypt should just take gaza and jordan should take a tiny sliver of the west bank

https://x.com/ajarabic/status/1753806801127063963?s=46

I see Israel is starting to enter the bargaining phase

Dokapon Findom
Dec 5, 2022

But have you considered whether the child murdered by the driver of that truck was riding an oversized bike?!?! Children riding oversized bikes are the scourge of our roadways!!

Spergin Morlock posted:

I'm just glad Kissinger lived barely long enough to see it all go sideways then died like 2 months later lol

Kissinger, Gorbachev, HW Bush- for as terrible as the world is it's satisfying that they had to watch their life's work undone before them :yosbutt: and then they died! :haw:

ProfessorBooty
Jan 25, 2004

Amulet of the Dark

National Parks posted:

South Africans masterminding Yemen to get container traffic rerouted to cape, and accusing Israel of Genocide to cover for it. I think we finally found Ansar Allah's real motivation

Sorry I have a hard time following. So Ansar Allah's real motivation is South African's mastermining? What is Ansar Allah's "real motivation"?

iCe-CuBe.
Jun 9, 2011

ProfessorBooty posted:

Sorry I have a hard time following. So Ansar Allah's real motivation is South African's mastermining? What is Ansar Allah's "real motivation"?

Genociding Israel.

Marenghi
Oct 16, 2008

Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you

Spergin Morlock posted:

I'm just glad Kissinger lived barely long enough to see it all go sideways then died like 2 months later lol

He couldn't bear to see Israel defeated and exposed as genociders. He smashed his phylactery rather than live to see that.

Isizzlehorn
Feb 25, 2010

:lesnick::lesnick::lesnick::lesnick::lesnick::lesnick:


So Israeli intelligence made up claims against the UNRWA, the UNRWA fires the people accused and the UNRWA notified everyone publicly afterwards. That included the US diplomatic circle, which decided to make it a bigger thing weeks after it had been resolved, and they went after more proof directly to Israel military. And they didn't know wtf to do because they had nothing, it was old news and how did the US find out about this in the first place, ohhhh the UNRWA just told them, poo poo poo poo fuuuuuck

Sancho Banana
Aug 4, 2023

Not to be confused with meat.
"First publication: a document prepared by the military at the Chief of Staff's request concluded that, at this stage, the blackening [as in defaming] of UNRWA shouldn't be deepened until a discussion is held regarding a replacement to the organization"

https://twitter.com/N12News/status/1753842774405759006?t=DVlcJjdmFevIjAERFeHJDw&s=19

"Sent by IDF Spokesperson in response: the document doesn't represent the policy on the matter, but rather one recommendation out of several options. The policy will be dictated by the political echelon"

https://twitter.com/N12News/status/1753844666976342224?t=i-sEZj-2SNTnpT3H9ae_YQ&s=19

Sancho Banana has issued a correction as of 19:19 on Feb 3, 2024

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/revolutionaryem/status/1753618435370586272

dogs of the us empire will take their cape of good hope trip and love it

Adenoid Dan
Mar 8, 2012

The Hobo Serenader
Lipstick Apathy
Don't worry I've been reliably informed that traffic to Israel from the red sea is insignificant even in the middle of an economic crisis, and this somehow means that the motives of Ansar Allah can't be to prevent genocide.

They may have endured a famine that killed hundreds of thousands over the last decade, but they surely can't be empathizing with other people going through the same thing.

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.

Sancho Banana posted:

"First publication: a document prepared by the military at the Chief of Staff's request concluded that, at this stage, the blackening [as in defaming] of UNRWA shouldn't be deepened until a discussion is held regarding a replacement to the organization"

https://twitter.com/N12News/status/1753842774405759006?t=DVlcJjdmFevIjAERFeHJDw&s=19

"Sent by IDF Spokesperson in response: the document doesn't represent the policy on the matter, but rather one recommendation out of several options. The policy will be dictated by the political echelon"

https://twitter.com/N12News/status/1753844666976342224?t=i-sEZj-2SNTnpT3H9ae_YQ&s=19

weird i though UNRWA was staffed top to bottom by terrorists, strange that israel is suddenly pulling back on an inflammatory accusation after the damage is done and the media cycle over

Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017


https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1753482162571993237

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



It's the Israel cycle of lies:

Make a damning accusation
The accusation is uncritically believed by the morons in our State Department and Executive Branch
Actions are taken
A week or two pass: "Oops, actually it wasn't as many people as we thought" or "Evidence for [damning accusation] is hard to find"
Evidence continues to mount that the accusation was horseshit as Kirby/Miller/Biden/Blinken/et al gaslight us constantly.
Months later, once it no longer matters: One sentence statement on page 45 of the New York Times stating, "[damning accusation] was shown to the false"

Rinse and repeat.

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

It's the Israel cycle of lies:

Make a damning accusation
The accusation is uncritically believed by the morons in our State Department and Executive Branch
Actions are taken
A week or two pass: "Oops, actually it wasn't as many people as we thought" or "Evidence for [damning accusation] is hard to find"
Evidence continues to mount that the accusation was horseshit as Kirby/Miller/Biden/Blinken/et al gaslight us constantly.
Months later, once it no longer matters: One sentence statement on page 45 of the New York Times stating, "[damning accusation] was shown to the false"

Rinse and repeat.

P much, only change I'd make is changing "uncritically believed by the morons in our" to "used for their intended purpose by the fully aware"

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

Al-Saqr posted:

avigdor lieberman with the genius idea that egypt should just take gaza and jordan should take a tiny sliver of the west bank

https://x.com/ajarabic/status/1753806801127063963?s=46

Honestly this is slightly less evil than the mainstream Israeli position, which is demolish Northern Gaza and maybe build settlements there.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

P much, only change I'd make is changing "uncritically believed by the morons in our" to "used for their intended purpose by the fully aware"

American media is a beautiful and elegant mix of deliberate liars with an agenda to fill and useful idiots who don't think twice about things. Tinted with just a slight hint of perpetual gell-mann amnesia victims occasionally pointing out specific lies as errors

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
The Iraqi government denies being informed of these strikes ahead of time.

https://twitter.com/IraqiGovt/status/1753729303571759153


haruspicy posted:

https://www.bimco.org/Contracts-and-clauses/BIMCO-Clauses/Current/War_Risks_Clause_for_Voyage_Chartering_2013

paragraph B says that if the owners or crew suspect that they may be entering into a war risk area then they can cancel the charter.

paragraph C says if the owners or crew suspect that they may be entering a war risk area they can get rid of the cargo basically anywhere and charge the customer

Anyone who is trading warlike areas (gulf of guinea, black sea, for example) is removing this wording because if you’re making an agreement to trade Nigeria you don’t want the crew to be able to say they don’t want to go, as you have accepted the risk on their behalf by negotiating the deal.

If you own ships you make sure your crew are give proper compensation and you set out a policy, but there are plenty of people making agreements into warlike regions with this wording deleted and when it comes time to execute you just find a shipowner who is aligned with what you are willing to pay lumpsum to send the vessel there, and remove all wording that allows them to reject.

It can definitely be done above board by inserting strict orders about where the vessel needs to wait, or needs to proceed under military escort, or what guards or hardening need to be provided but these clauses are regularly pared back to where they are meaningless

In any situation like this there is a continual weighing of costs and every always requests maximum leeway and flexibility under the contract

It’s important to remember that it’s an industry made up of generally very stupid untrained laypeople who are asked to write and become familiar with very specific contractual wording that complies with esoteric rabbit holes of English law.

Thanks for the detail. It seems to me though, that when these clauses are usually deleted commercial ships are not direct targets of things like anti ship missiles. Is this accurate? Like that ship got hit in the black sea not so long ago but it was collateral damage.

I've been hoping we would get a boat knower posting. I guess it's a change to have a soothsayer rather than a Christian theologian.

Loucks posted:

The only people whose opinion on this matters hold 7-8 figure long positions in Raytheon, at al. and are squealing delightedly.

Have you heard of AIPAC?

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

hmm maybe pushing palestinians towards the humanitarian arm of Hamas by taking out the UNRWA as the only source of aid is going to cause more problems down the line, but i’m not a big brain strategist in the white house or IDF so…

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/typesfast/status/1753595542658220229

Houthis putting in the work and getting results

Prosperity, guarded.

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Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007



lmao

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