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Lid posted:the crowd that chanted You Suck Cena and You Suck Bryan during a Bella Twins match This is the real answer. Territory crowds still booing heels even after tragedy is one thing, but that was not in kayfabe, had nothing to do with the match, and it took a giant poo poo all over AJ Lee's last match.
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Dr. Zoggle posted:Should Dave Meltzer be in his own hall of fame? Dave already said he'll never put himself on the ballot. What happens after he dies is anyone's guess (I assume Alvarez will honor his request).
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NikkolasKing posted:Listening to Dave talk about his #1 and #2 most shameful wrestling crowd displays (1 being a crowd cheering for a heel's death, 2 being the WWE Universe thanking Vince after the WSJ article in 2022), I'm curious what you all would say are the most disgusting crowd reactions? Deadlock brought up there being a 97 wcw lucha six man match with ridiculous spots that the crowd chants boring at. I'm not gonna go back and watch 97 wcw, but at face value pretty disgusting.
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Defenestrategy posted:I'm not gonna go back and watch 97 wcw You are denying yourself worlds of beauty for no reason.
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Erin M. Fiasco posted:You are denying yourself worlds of beauty for no reason. For some reason wcw before poo poo truly went off the rails does not appeal to me.
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Defenestrategy posted:For some reason wcw before poo poo truly went off the rails does not appeal to me. If you're referring to 96~97 WCW, then yeah, same. For me, it's because basically every episode is the same. WCW wrestlers are booked like loser fuckface nerds, and just about every episode ends with nWo members shoving their sweaty, leathery faces into the camera, trying to shove everyone around them out of the way while looking like Troy McClure as "that one muppet made out of leather" in The Muppets Go Medieval, and because they're all shouting "too sweet" over each other, all I can hear is a cacophony of "Weee! Weee!" like they're doing their best "Ned Beatty in Deliverance" impression. Even at their most successful, WCW always had an air of poo poo around it, sustained by a few bright spots.
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Didn't watch WCW at the time but having watched Nitro from it's beginning to Road Wild '96 (before I binned my Network account) it's pretty fun on the whole. Although actually thinking about that Road Wild show does remind me of a good example of an awful crowd. Ignoring how dead they were for some fun stuff like Rey vs Ultimo Dragon & Benoit vs Malenko, Harlem Heat did not exactly did a welcoming reception from the crowd of bikers when they faced the Steiners. I'm sure that had no ulterior motive & was purely because the bikers were big Steiner Screwdriver fans
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edogawa rando posted:If you're referring to 96~97 WCW, then yeah, same. My deal is late 99 til close WCW, its like watching someone flip off a motorcycle and start bouncing down a highway.
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Defenestrategy posted:My deal is late 99 til close WCW, its like watching someone flip off a motorcycle and start bouncing down a highway. It is fascinating how even when there's like a spark of good or interesting stuff in that era they almost immediately kneecap themselves.
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Dawgstar posted:It is fascinating how even when there's like a spark of good or interesting stuff in that era they almost immediately kneecap themselves. Yea, I like watching it and going "Why?" and trying to figure out logically why theyd make choices.
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People like to romanticize the WCW cruiserweights but my lasting memory of watching those Nitros is, like, Super Calo coming out to absolute crickets and then braining himself on a dive. It wasn't always Eddie vs. Rey.
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The undercard might be Ultimo Dragon or it might be The Artist Formerly Known As Prince Iaukea
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Benne posted:People like to romanticize the WCW cruiserweights but my lasting memory of watching those Nitros is, like, Super Calo coming out to absolute crickets and then braining himself on a dive. It wasn't always Eddie vs. Rey. But as you said it was always great.
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Benne posted:People like to romanticize the WCW cruiserweights but my lasting memory of watching those Nitros is, like, Super Calo coming out to absolute crickets and then braining himself on a dive. It wasn't always Eddie vs. Rey. I recall many opening six man Lucha rules trios matches with random mix of Super Calo, Silver King, El Dandy, and some others. Great match that was too busy for me to follow along with typically. But that got me into watching wrestling after a few years away. Too bad WCW was… WCW.
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Super Calo got the hat and the glasses, he's invincible
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WCW Thunder 2000 is one of my favorite years of programming because of how unhinged and ridiculous it is but I just enjoy old Nitro's vibe as a whole. I don't watch it for the match quality, I watch it for the atmosphere. It's fun!
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I want to make something very clear, Super Calo owns
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The trick with Nitro was the energy it had. There’s always the feeling that things are happening, which is something Raw arguably didn’t manage until at least the Attitude Era was properly underway. (And even then WWE has always had the problem that they kinda slide into a status quo.) Granted once the nWo arrive there is the challenge of how to keep that energy when the long term story is just “they keep winning and taking over”. I’m in early 97 now and there were rough patches in 96, especially when they started doing the Nick Patrick angle, but they got a little better at building up the feeling that they might lose their grip
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forkboy84 posted:I'm sure that had no ulterior motive & was purely because the bikers were big Skrewdriver fans
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I remember reading that Super Calo would send other people out in the costume when he didn't want to wrestle and that's really funny because either he convinced some students to get paid for him or he just blamed students any time he had a stinker of a match, either way lol. When the network came out I started from a little before the NWO formed and watched until The Wolfpac stuff started, had a blast. Loved to watch the bruisers, the brawlers, the lucha guys, and Macho Man was like the coolest dude in the whole company
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I have fondness for the absolute brass balls WCW would have towards the end of the winning streak where they'd have a molten-hot crowd for a show and open it with like Roadblock vs. Kenny Kaos
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WCW Monday Nitro opening matches for 1997 1. Beautiful Bobby vs. Glacier 2. Chavo Guerrero vs. Mr. JL 3. Alex Wright vs. Chris Jericho 4. Steiner Brothers vs. Faces of Fear 5. Ultimo Dragon vs. Ray Mendoza Jr. 6. Dean Malenko vs. Eddy Guerrero 7. Rey Mysterio vs. Super Calo 8. Jeff Jarrett & Mongo vs. Public Enemy 9. Jeff Jarrett & Mongo vs. Konnan & Hugh Morrus 10. Jeff Jarrett & Mongo vs. High Voltage 11. Rey Mysterio vs. Psicosis 12. Konnan vs. Dean Malenko 13. Lex Luger & The Giant vs. Rick Fuller & Roadblock 14. Hugh Morrus & Konnan vs. Psicosis & Alex Wright 15. Chris Benoit vs. The Barbarian 16. Yuji Nagata vs. Dean Malenko 17. Price Iuakea vs. Dean Malenko 18. Hugh Morrus & Konnan vs. Public Enemy 19. Ultimo Dragon vs. Juventud Guerrera 20. Prince Iaukea vs. Lord Steven Regal 21. Hector Garza/Juventud Guerrera/Super Calo vs. Ciclope/Damian/La Parka 22. Glacier vs. Alex Wright 23. Ultimo Dragon/Juventud Guerrera/Super Calo vs. Psicosis/Silver King/La Parka 24. Glacier vs. Mortis 25. Public Enemy vs. Damien & La Parka 26. Juventud Guerrera vs. Chris Jericho 27. Harlem Heat vs. Public Enemy 28. Alex Wright vs. Prince Iaukea 29. Konnan vs. Tsubasa 30. Vicious & Delicious vs. Ric Flair & Curt Hennig 31. Mortis vs. Curt Hennig 32. The Outsiders vs. Bobby Starr & David Moore 33. Vicious & Delicious vs. Harlem Heat 34. La Parka & Psicosis vs. Glacier & Ernest Miller 35. Chris Benoit & Mongo vs. Eddy Guerrero & Jeff Jarrett 36. Rey Mysterio vs. Eddy Guerrero 37. Dean Malenko vs. Disco Inferno 38. Silver King vs. Rey Mysterio 39. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Buff Bagwell 40. Booker T. vs. Jeff Jarrett 41. Eddy Guerrero vs. Psicosis 42. Eddy Guerrero vs. Chris Benoit 43. Rey Mysterio vs. Dean Malenko 44. Dean Malenko & Eddy Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio & Steven Regal 45. Harlem Heat vs. Dave Taylor & Steven Regal 46. Meng vs. Glacier 47. Disorderly Conduct vs. Steiners 48. Rey Mysterio vs. Juventud Guerrera 49. Konnan vs. Ray Traylor 50. Vincent vs. Ray Traylor 51. Eddy Guerrero vs. Fit Finlay 52. Bill Goldberg vs. Glacier A good number of these match-ups sound pretty cool on paper, but don't worry: most of those matches went for under five minutes and ended in a count-out, double DQ, or run-in!
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Lurks With Wolves posted:I don't know if there was a live crowd reaction, but I do know that when Jerry Lawler announced that Andy Kaufman died of lung cancer (because he was actually friends with him and his death shook him up), the Memphis audience's reaction was just "good, gently caress that guy". Weeks earlier, though, the studio fans DID cheer loudly when Jimmy Hart announced the "death" of the Bruise Brothers (Porkchop Cash and "Dream Machine" Troy Graham): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GsKFvsiDC0 (One of the funniest segments in wrestling history. The only context you need is that the Fabulous Ones had left for the AWA and Hart had pledged to find new Fabulous Ones.)
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davidbix posted:(One of the funniest segments in wrestling history. The only context you need is that the Fabulous Ones had left for the AWA and Hart had pledged to find new Fabulous Ones.)
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I've seen a few people on here say Dusty was a bad and selfish booker, could anyone give me the run down on that?
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The dusty finish is named after him because he'd always book himself to go over but have it be reversed due to being screwed. He always had to look strong and would ensure he went over younger talent, notably Lex Luger, to look strong and would always book himself to beat, and then dusty, over the Four Horsemen.
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This makes me wonder if anyone has won more matches by Dusty Finish than Dusty himself. Who in wrestling has had the most matches overturned after the fact? Of course, if you can overturn match results, this just raises the question of why they don't do that every time there's video evidence of the loser getting knocked out by a chair, roll of quarters, mannequin head, etc.
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Yeah whenever a face wins a title, then the ref gets up and the announcer goes "The referee has decided that the heel is actually DQed for elbowing him five minutes ago" that's a Dusty Finish, he loved that poo poo
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Adrenaline In my soul Cucking's deep in my genome
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Barry Scott posted:I've seen a few people on here say Dusty was a bad and selfish booker, could anyone give me the run down on that? He also hijacked every angle to either include himself or have the participants randomly talk about how cool and tough he was. Anyone who complains about Jericho leeching crowd interest from rising stars should really watch the master at work; Dusty was all over Mid Atlantic TV, often for no good reason.
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Dusty was hot in Florida in the 70's and early 80's and his booking legit got Crockett super hot in 85/86. Than it fell apart in 87/88 for the reasons listed and whelp
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CombineThresher posted:He also hijacked every angle to either include himself or have the participants randomly talk about how cool and tough he was. Anyone who complains about Jericho leeching crowd interest from rising stars should really watch the master at work; Dusty was all over Mid Atlantic TV, often for no good reason. The one that did him in during 1988 and finally got him removed as booker was trying this with the Road Warriors by turning them heel and people absolutely did not want to boo Hawk and Animal at that point even if they took a 'railroad spike' to Dusty because the fans were so tired of him they were probably in favor of it. Why this was the final straw was because TBS had bought JCP at this point and doing an angle with 'heavy color' did not fly for mainstream TV.
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Dusty also booked Dustin in WCW. While it wasn't as egregious as many other father/son booking situations it also wasn't ideal.
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Dawgstar posted:The one that did him in during 1988 and finally got him removed as booker was trying this with the Road Warriors by turning them heel and people absolutely did not want to boo Hawk and Animal at that point even if they took a 'railroad spike' to Dusty because the fans were so tired of him they were probably in favor of it. Why this was the final straw was because TBS had bought JCP at this point and doing an angle with 'heavy color' did not fly for mainstream TV. Fans were probably also sick of him pouting about how popular the Four Horsemen were getting, especially since Dusty's promos were getting incredibly self-indulgent by that point - he bragged about money and women nearly as much as Flair did at the expense of his own working-class persona. Him yelling at a bunch of college kids in suits on Mid Atlantic TV was a low point. I dunno, Dusty was a creative guy and at point an insanely popular babyface/dynamic performer, but by the mid-80s he was high on his own farts and his matches were boring as poo poo.
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