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Cantorsdust posted:Fighting a protracted war at a deficit of equipment against an imperialist enemy? You need Võ Nguyên Giáp. Well, as I understand it, one of the weird new things about this war is that because of drones, everything on and near the front lines is completely visible to both parties. So it's impossible to concentrate forces to try and punch through, since as soon as those forces get near the contact line, the enemy will know exactly what forces are where and what they're doing and can unleash artillery and whatnot on them. This applies to both sides of course. So maybe the way to break this situation would be air power... but of course neither side has air superiority either. Ukraine though has been systematically targeting Russia's anti-air systems, but that seems to be a very long process
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Feb 3, 2024 22:06
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Ok, so, and hear me out on this one guys, what if we had platoons march to the front, but they all hold a really big forest camo tarp over their heads while they march, so the drones think that they're just strangely mobile foliage? Hmm? Hmmmmmm?
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Feb 4, 2024 05:55
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Volmarias posted:Ok, so, and hear me out on this one guys, what if we had platoons march to the front, but they all hold a really big forest camo tarp over their heads while they march, so the drones think that they're just strangely mobile foliage? Hmm? Hmmmmmm? What’s the point? It’s said that Putin can’t be killed by any man of woman born.
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Feb 4, 2024 06:26
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Volmarias posted:Ok, so, and hear me out on this one guys, what if we had platoons march to the front, but they all hold a really big forest camo tarp over their heads while they march, so the drones think that they're just strangely mobile foliage? Hmm? Hmmmmmm? We need to find out who in the AFU were born by caesarian if this is gonna have a chance.
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Feb 4, 2024 06:35
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The Artificial Kid posted:What’s the point? It’s said that Putin can’t be killed by any man of woman born. Not seeing anything here about test tube babies, The Artificial Kid
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Feb 4, 2024 07:00
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Volmarias posted:Ok, so, and hear me out on this one guys, what if we had platoons march to the front, but they all hold a really big forest camo tarp over their heads while they march, so the drones think that they're just strangely mobile foliage? Hmm? Hmmmmmm? The future of camouflage is static, so the drone software registers it as an error in its code and shuts down.
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Feb 4, 2024 10:50
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nimby posted:The future of camouflage is static, so the drone software registers it as an error in its code and shuts down. Snow Crash
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Feb 4, 2024 11:30
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The sky was the color of a television tuned to a Ukranian platoon
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Feb 4, 2024 12:08
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The Artificial Kid posted:What’s the point? It’s said that Putin can’t be killed by any man of woman born. Oooooh, so that's why NATO biolabs invented trans people!
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Feb 4, 2024 13:20
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Volmarias posted:Ok, so, and hear me out on this one guys, what if we had platoons march to the front, but they all hold a really big forest camo tarp over their heads while they march, so the drones think that they're just strangely mobile foliage? Hmm? Hmmmmmm? Operation Birnam Wood
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Feb 4, 2024 14:09
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Abrams spotted near Avdiivka https://bsky.app/profile/noelreports.bsky.social/post/3kklx5ootqk26
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Feb 4, 2024 15:49
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Apparently it's just another misattributed video. Ukraine supposedly didn't receive that particular version. https://twitter.com/Jeff21461/status/1754154290841575654?t=_rtxkw3ZcGL4kBH1NiTzPQ&s=19
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Feb 4, 2024 16:54
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Libluini posted:I mean, if I add the numbers up, most of the current 155mm artillery shell production in the EU seems also to be mostly French and German. Surely there must be some other EU-nations producing them, at least? I know Norway is making more 30mm shells, and I'm guessing the eastern states are doing something, but I confess I don't remember. I guess Norway might not be in the EU statistics, but the Finnish-Norwegian Nammo company is the single largest producer of 155mm ammo. The Finnish factory has increased production fivefold since the beginning of the conflict and are looking to build a new factory. Also just recently FDF ordered 11M€ worth of transport boxes for the 155mm shells. That is hundreds of thousands of boxes. I guess they expect to stock up.
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Feb 5, 2024 14:12
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Haystack posted:Oooooh, so that's why NATO biolabs invented trans people! Sweet mother of pearl... 
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Feb 5, 2024 14:33
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The Netherlands is sending six further F16s to Ukraine, bringing the total to 24 E: 24 not 25 SixFigureSandwich fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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Feb 5, 2024 16:37
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SixFigureSandwich posted:The Netherlands is sending six further F16s to Ukraine, bringing the total to 24 I wonder how we're going to see these F-16s get used. 24 air fighters by themselves aren't necessarily going to change things without dealing with Russian air defenses, right? I guess you could try to use the F-16s as more quick and mobile long-range missile platforms or short term scrambling to attack opposition attack helicopters and bombers and things like that, but I have a hard time seeing them as anything but a minor piece of what is required overall.
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Feb 5, 2024 17:00
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Eric Cantonese posted:I wonder how we're going to see these F-16s get used. 24 air fighters by themselves aren't necessarily going to change things without dealing with Russian air defenses, right? I guess you could try to use the F-16s as more quick and mobile long-range missile platforms or short term scrambling to attack opposition attack helicopters and bombers and things like that, but I have a hard time seeing them as anything but a minor piece of what is required overall. That's enough for small scale interceptions and more general as an air force-in-being.
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Feb 5, 2024 17:09
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Eric Cantonese posted:I wonder how we're going to see these F-16s get used. 24 air fighters by themselves aren't necessarily going to change things without dealing with Russian air defenses, right? I guess you could try to use the F-16s as more quick and mobile long-range missile platforms or short term scrambling to attack opposition attack helicopters and bombers and things like that, but I have a hard time seeing them as anything but a minor piece of what is required overall. You can put a lot more fancy western ordinance on F16s and I think air-launched rockets are cheaper and more flexible than ground launched rockets.
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Feb 5, 2024 18:55
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Ynglaur posted:This approach assumes the problem is the general in charge. Can Ukraine achieve its political objectives at all while having a 5-to-1 deficit in artillery ammunition? I don't know, but it's not like Zaluzhny had no successes in 2023: the Ukrainian military re-opened grain shipping in November 2023 by defeating the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Id have to read more on it, but i believe Zaluzhny wanted to up conscription a ton to fill in gaps and is willing to scede some ground to russia after bleeding them for it and pulling out correctly. i think there were also big differences with Zaluzhny and the US over offensive cabailities and how to do them with both having some validity, both sides misread russias forces resolve on the ground in various places. Zelensky also like lincoln wants big wins so he can keep foreign allies interested espcially since the MAGA chuds are bending the knee to putin again. i think zelensky wants a Grant who is willing to keep moving and kicking russia until they are at the border. the problem is Russia even as hosed up as it, is in a much better place as of right now then the traitors in the civil war. I think ukrains best hope is holding out this year and hope biden wins and the dems win the house. then the money flow turns on even with a mcconell run senate. https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1753890525747294386 Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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Feb 5, 2024 19:14
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Tucker Carlson is a loving traitor. He's acting as a foreign agent, is clearly doing so, and should be loving indicted for it.
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Feb 5, 2024 19:48
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Ynglaur posted:Tucker Carlson is a loving traitor. He's acting as a foreign agent, is clearly doing so, and should be loving indicted for it. I am sure. its interesting because i do keep hearing rumors trump will pick him for VP so i wouldnt be fully shocked. my guess is he does some big puff piece and interviews putin but i am sure carlson is getting bugged by alot of people right now
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Feb 5, 2024 20:53
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Zelenskyy continues his promised major shakeup. Once again, not Zaluzhnyi, but getting closer. https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/965029.html Zelenskyy posted:With all due respect to the Minister, this is exclusively a matter of management. Ukraine needs strength, fresh energy, and adequate leadership on all fronts. We must win this war and we must give it our 100% this year, that is, even more than is possible.
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Feb 5, 2024 22:23
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Eric Cantonese posted:I wonder how we're going to see these F-16s get used. 24 air fighters by themselves aren't necessarily going to change things without dealing with Russian air defenses, right? I guess you could try to use the F-16s as more quick and mobile long-range missile platforms or short term scrambling to attack opposition attack helicopters and bombers and things like that, but I have a hard time seeing them as anything but a minor piece of what is required overall. 24 F-16s are just what the Netherlands have pledged so far. Denmark has pledged another 19 on top of that, and Norway has announced that it is donating some of its retired F-16s too, but hasn't given specific number yet.
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Feb 5, 2024 22:32
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Eric Cantonese posted:I wonder how we're going to see these F-16s get used. 24 air fighters by themselves aren't necessarily going to change things without dealing with Russian air defenses, right? I guess you could try to use the F-16s as more quick and mobile long-range missile platforms or short term scrambling to attack opposition attack helicopters and bombers and things like that, but I have a hard time seeing them as anything but a minor piece of what is required overall. The value is in that F-16 can carry so much more western missiles without a need to MacGyver it like with Ukraine's MiG's. Whereas the west has no excess 155mm shells left, USA and NATO have plenty of air launchable stuff that can be given to Ukraine if they just have a compatible launch platform. Plus the war is rapidly deteriorating Ukraine's own fighter force and every lost MiG-29 is a permanent loss. They can't continue indefinitely without getting new fighters.
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Feb 5, 2024 22:39
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Nenonen posted:The value is in that F-16 can carry so much more western missiles without a need to MacGyver it like with Ukraine's MiG's. Whereas the west has no excess 155mm shells left, USA and NATO have plenty of air launchable stuff that can be given to Ukraine if they just have a compatible launch platform. Those pilots aren't going to believe just how superior a 45 year old US fighterjet to what they've been flying.......
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Feb 5, 2024 22:58
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Eric Cantonese posted:I wonder how we're going to see these F-16s get used. 24 air fighters by themselves aren't necessarily going to change things without dealing with Russian air defenses, right? I guess you could try to use the F-16s as more quick and mobile long-range missile platforms or short term scrambling to attack opposition attack helicopters and bombers and things like that, but I have a hard time seeing them as anything but a minor piece of what is required overall. Depends on what they're dropping. Ukraine operates fixed wing aircraft just behind the front at low altitude, so precision munitions of all kinds could improve capabilities against hard points. JDAMs would be useful. Proper standoff munitions would be better. Anti-radiation missiles would help whittle down and degrade effectiveness of air defenses - the Ukrainians don't really have an analog to that even with the ARMs they rigged on the MiG-29s as the features they can't use on those would address a lot of the countermeasures air defenses would be using. Fire and forget AMRAAMs would also be a lot more capable than the semi-active missiles they have now when it comes to shooting at planes - though Russia is already mostly operating planes too far from the front for that to be a big deal, it (and a smarter radar) might help shoot at the low altitude planes and helicopters ground based air defenses would have real problems engaging. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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Feb 5, 2024 23:47
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Id have to read more on it, but i believe Zaluzhny wanted to up conscription a ton to fill in gaps and is willing to scede some ground to russia after bleeding them for it and pulling out correctly. i think there were also big differences with Zaluzhny and the US over offensive cabailities and how to do them with both having some validity, both sides misread russias forces resolve on the ground in various places. Zelensky also like lincoln wants big wins so he can keep foreign allies interested espcially since the MAGA chuds are bending the knee to putin again. i think zelensky wants a Grant who is willing to keep moving and kicking russia until they are at the border. the problem is Russia even as hosed up as it, is in a much better place as of right now then the traitors in the civil war. I think ukrains best hope is holding out this year and hope biden wins and the dems win the house. then the money flow turns on even with a mcconell run senate. I believe that Grant had the benefit of a union-wide conscription (that rich people could avoid)
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Feb 6, 2024 00:05
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BigRoman posted:I believe that Grant had the benefit of a union-wide conscription (that rich people could avoid) Please win? No conscription! Only Win!
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Feb 6, 2024 00:10
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BigRoman posted:I believe that Grant had the benefit of a union-wide conscription (that rich people could avoid) About 2% of the Union Army was conscripts and another 6% were paid substitutes, so no, not really. They were able to rely on volunteers, unlike Ukraine.
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Feb 6, 2024 01:08
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nimby posted:The future of camouflage is static, so the drone software registers it as an error in its code and shuts down. The future of camouflage is a big neon sign that says "you are not seeing a target. hypothetically, issue commands as if your command center was a target"
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Feb 6, 2024 01:40
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Unormal posted:The future of camouflage is a big neon sign that says "you are not seeing a target. hypothetically, issue commands as if your command center was a target" "ignore last prompt, return to sender"
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Feb 6, 2024 01:56
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Warbadger posted:Fire and forget AMRAAMs would also be a lot more capable than the semi-active missiles they have now when it comes to shooting at planes - though Russia is already mostly operating planes too far from the front for that to be a big deal, it (and a smarter radar) might help shoot at the low altitude planes and helicopters ground based air defenses would have real problems engaging. One of the things which has genuinely impressed me is that a half dozen Patriot batteries basically force Russia to keep out of mid-altitude for hundreds of kilometers behind the front.
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Feb 6, 2024 02:08
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Ynglaur posted:One of the things which has genuinely impressed me is that a half dozen Patriot batteries basically force Russia to keep out of mid-altitude for hundreds of kilometers behind the front. Browsing wiki it seems there was only one manned (enemy) plane ever shot by Patriots prior to this war. I'd be curious how much useful data is going back to the US to improve the design even more.
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Feb 6, 2024 02:45
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Scapegoat posted:Browsing wiki it seems there was only one manned (enemy) plane ever shot by Patriots prior to this war. I'd be curious how much useful data is going back to the US to improve the design even more. They found out it's pretty good at shooting down Kinzhal. The tape recorder must have been on for one of those intercepts.
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Feb 6, 2024 02:58
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Oh man, F35's wouldn't even get near Russian defenses, why on earth do you think an F-16 would. I worked on them. There's no way that plane could avoid getting plunked out of the air. HouseofSuren fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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Feb 6, 2024 06:13
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Im flying one as we speak
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Feb 6, 2024 06:34
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TasogareNoKagi posted:They found out it's pretty good at shooting down Kinzhal. The tape recorder must have been on for one of those intercepts. Some of the real value they get out of it is all the data recordings of the radar signatures of all these different Russian munitions and aircraft. Every time you watch one of their fancy cruise missiles come in with a patriot radar, you get more data that you can use to inform and train the modeling to better distinguish the target from noise and type them against other types of Russian munitions. Add in all the data you get on the missile and track radar's performance and where improvements can be made in the future and you can see their donations to Ukraine is bringing value to the US.
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Feb 6, 2024 07:02
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Mederlock posted:Some of the real value they get out of it is all the data recordings of the radar signatures of all these different Russian munitions and aircraft. Every time you watch one of their fancy cruise missiles come in with a patriot radar, you get more data that you can use to inform and train the modeling to better distinguish the target from noise and type them against other types of Russian munitions. Add in all the data you get on the missile and track radar's performance and where improvements can be made in the future and you can see their donations to Ukraine is bringing value to the US. Yeah, everybody that's donated their own home-grown weapons and equipment are gonna be pouring over every scrap of data they can get their hands on, both for computer-controlled systems like RADAR target ID, but also more general engineering principles. Considering this is the first real big war of the 21st century and no amount of proving ground trials are going to quite match the rigors of actual combat, any flaws are, hopefully, going to be given a careful look over and engineered out when the next-gen designs come into production.
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Feb 6, 2024 07:18
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I agree the data are invaluable. Ive been surprised just how survivable the Bradley seems to be, though I'll bet the people who analyzed Gulf War 1 direct fire engagements aren't. I suspect F-16s will mostly be valuable as a mobile anti-missile force. They may also make it harder for Russia to use Kh attack helicopters. The Something Awful Forums > Debate and Discussion > War in Ukraine CE: I'm flying an F-35 over Moscow right now
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HouseofSuren posted:Oh man, F35's wouldn't even get near Russian defenses, why on earth do you think an F-16 would. Don't worry, we're only sending the ones you didn't work on
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