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Gutcruncher posted:I’m sure that’s part of it but I’m fully willing to believe Lucas had a basic outline of “a space republic falling and becoming an empire” napkin scribbling as part of his Star Wars concept. Not likely anything like what we actually got though of course There were a lot of notes and outlines, and I think some of them were even used as source material for what became the novelization of the original Star Wars. Of course, those notes were also extremely different than how things came out in the original trilogy. (The emperor was an out-of-touch old man manipulated by various evil officials below him, Leia's ship was originally hauling "spice", etc.)
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the original plan was, in fact, a whole bunch of movies, but they didn't make any of them. 77 wasn't just a part of a planned story, it was a rearrangement of cherrypicked parts of a humongous sprawling mess of a plan that realistically was never going to happen, plus a lot of things that just happened serendipitously while they were trying to slap the movie together in the middle of a friggin desert in tunisia or whatever. they were lucky to make even one movie, and once that movie became "star wars" they literally couldn't do "the rest of the movies" because they'd already stripmined the good poo poo to make this weird supercondensed alternate version that is the thing that people actually saw. it'd be like if you were trying to adapt the Judge Dredd comic books and the first movie you released, which turned out to be an unexpectedly monstrous success, was Robocop. like, yeah, it's kinda Judge Dredd, it obviously started from that, but you rearranged it so much in order to make a movie that's just good on its own that you basically ended up with a totally different thing. and you could rightly say at that point that you had enough material for 9 planned movies, the lie would be in the implication that what we got was one of those movies
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LanceHunter posted:https://x.com/Sgtzima/status/1753849911202689407 lol at people in this thread who thought there was no CGI in top gun 2 (0 people)
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Has there been a single big budget action movie in the last 25 years that didn't use a bunch of CGI? Like I know Mad Max Fury Road used less CGI than most action movies, but it still used CGI.
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reignofevil posted:I'm betting someone sarcastically looked at the first star wars script and was like "This is a boring pos are you writing one star wars movie or nine here" and he was all "Hey, yeah, I'm actually writing nine movies" and then his ex wife cut out a third of his bullshit and it was suddenly pretty good His original script for the first movie was actually super long and had poo poo like Wookies fighting the Empire on Yavin 4, a sequence that eventually became the Ewok sequence from Return of the Jedi. So he definitely had one movie idea that got whittled down into the original Star Wars and then he filled the two sequels with the elements he had dropped from that original idea. I would believe that he wrote prequel/sequel ideas immediately following that, but the idea that it came before that seems ludicrous.
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LanceHunter posted:Movies are dead. Look at the absolute desert that is the release schedule for 2024. At this point only Dunc 2 can hope to revive them. Movies that will actually make money: Dunc 2 Ghostbusters 5 Godzilla whatever Civil War Deadpool 3 Gladiator 2 Movies that won't: Everything else Furiosa gonna bomb lmao
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Toxic Mental posted:
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Endless Trash posted:Also gotta throw SCAR a tragic origin story so he can be sympathetic in the prequel, but not too sympathetic that we permit his later murders. Helluva balancing act Looking forward to watching Scar's parents get pushed off a cliff by Dalmatians.
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LanceHunter posted:I’m almost certain Lucas said the “I wrote 9 movies” lie in the interviews that appeared on the final VHS release of the original version of the original trilogy. I think the rumor had started before then, but he himself was likely the originator of it. That rapscallion. Honestly I can’t get mad at George, he seems like overall a decent human being so I am glad he hosed Disney for literally billions
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Toxic Mental posted:Movies that will actually make money:
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Endless Trash posted:lol at people in this thread who thought there was no CGI in top gun 2 (0 people) Hilarious to think that they somehow got ahold of Su-57s for the flying scenes, or that there is still a F-14 in flying condition. Or that the super plane he flies at the start would be able to be borrowed by a film crew. People are rubes.
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Rageaholic posted:Has there been a single big budget action movie in the last 25 years that didn't use a bunch of CGI? Like I know Mad Max Fury Road used less CGI than most action movies, but it still used CGI. No, and it's literally impossible. The simple reason is that there are post effects that are necessary to making an action movie at a fundamental level and it's easier impossible or impractical to do them manually in modern film making. Easiest example is painting out wires, which goes back to like the thirties. If you want to have an action movie with literally no CGI, you'd have to either shoot on film and have someone painstakingly paint them out the old fashioned way, or since it's much more likely you'd be shooting on film, you'd have to print each frame on to an animation cell, hand paint the wires out, and then rephotograph. That's the easiest way I can think of and it's dumb as dogass. So, yeah as soon as a 9 year old Korean has to scribble a little patch of blue over the harness pulling madame Webb into the sky you've got cgi.
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NorgLyle posted:I guess I shouldn't be surprised but the existence of Lord of the Rings: War of the Rohirrim is news to me. The people in charge of producing movies have literally no idea why Peter Jackson's trilogy was so successful, apparently. At least this isn't the start of a trilogy (seemingly). It's an anime.
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Made by the guys who did the Blade Runner anime, which wasn't that great.
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Kingo Ligma posted:No, and it's literally impossible. The simple reason is that there are post effects that are necessary to making an action movie at a fundamental level and it's easier impossible or impractical to do them manually in modern film making. Can't they just make an action movie that doesn't require wires? Like without tons of crazy set pieces, acrobatics or superpowers, but just people doing realistic action stuff. Honest question.
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Illmade posted:Can't they just make an action movie that doesn't require wires? Like without tons of crazy set pieces, acrobatics or superpowers, but just people doing realistic action stuff. Honest question. It's not by definition impossible, but off the top of my head that also means you can't have: Anything reflective in shot (including metal so no blades, most guns). Guns firing apart from in very specifically framed shots. Anyone falling off anything. Car stunts and explosions that are in any way safe / insurable. Actors. You'll need stuntpeople in your main roles instead which means yikes as performances. Urban or suburban locations. You'll never get through a shoot without getting a license plate, Billboard, or random civilian in at least one shot. Anything on a screen (syncing refresh rates to camera fps is a nightmare and high risk). This is all the stuff cg rules for. What it sucks for is having an entire action scene of black panther running around a PS2 level or Yoda flipping all over the screen.
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i watched what’s up doc last night and its wacky madcap chase through the streets of san francisco a la bullitt kicked the poo poo out of every action scene in every hollywood movie in the last decade but i will accept that cgi could have improved it by shrinking barbra streisand’s incredible schnoz
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TIL they didn't have actors, locations, or stunts before CGI.
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why you need all the wires
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Pretend the entire movie takes in a computer, now you can have as many wires as you want.
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Mega64 posted:Holding out for the Bambi's Mother prequel. Grambi
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80% of the editing in RLM episodes is removing all the wires keeping Mike upright during filming.
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Mega64 posted:80% of the editing in RLM episodes is removing all the wires keeping Mike upright during filming. the other 20 is giving jay crows feet in a futile attempt to ward off the thirstposters you dont think hes ACTUALLY aging do you? my sweet beautiful painfully unfunny susan bauman? undergoing twink death? impossible
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Crescent Wrench posted:TIL they didn't have actors, locations, or stunts before CGI. Yeah, they used a bunch of other tricks like rear projection, matte paintings, and painstaking frame-by-frame paint-outs back then.
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Paladinus posted:It's an anime. Arc Hammer posted:Made by the guys who did the Blade Runner anime, which wasn't that great.
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Crescent Wrench posted:TIL they didn't have actors, locations, or stunts before CGI. No, it's that the job of removing those was done by hand, directly on film, which is not feasible because we no longer shoot on film, and as a result there's no one with those skills left. The act if the paint out wasn't invented with computers, numb nuts. It's called a paint out because people used to literally paint out reflections, wire, license plates, etc etc. You know, exactly what I wrote in my prior posts. What used to be a practical, manual undertaking, has been replaced by computer work. And like how dummies like you don't think an old fashioned paint out is effects work, dummies like you don't realise a modern paint out is cgi. Kingo Ligma fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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LanceHunter posted:Yeah, they used a bunch of other tricks like rear projection, matte paintings, and painstaking frame-by-frame paint-outs back then. This guy gets it.
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dreezy posted:the other 20 is giving jay crows feet in a futile attempt to ward off the thirstposters mods for god's sake
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Kingo Ligma posted:No, it's that the job of removing those was done by hand, directly on film, which is not feasible because we no longer shoot on film, and as a result there's no one with those skills left. The act if the paint out wasn't invented with computers, numb nuts. It's called a paint out because people used to literally paint out reflections, wire, license plates, etc etc. i think youve confused movies with puppet shows
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they're called matte paintings because they were invented by Matt Paintings in 1895
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kalel posted:they're called matte paintings because they were invented by Matt Paintings in 1895 finally a good post on this page
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we can finally learn how scar got his scar
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Toxic Mental posted:Movies that will actually make money: Venom 3 is gonna be good.
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Toxic Mental posted:Movies that will actually make money: Of those, only dunc 2 and Godzilla deserves to
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Can't wait for that hot wheat-stroking action in Gladiator 2.
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I hate to admit it but I am actually keen to see Deadpool 3. I actually quite enjoyed the first 2 and Reynolds still entertains me, Free Guy notwithstanding. I was never into deadpool the comic character, I was just out of reading comics by that time but if he was around a few years earlier I probably would have been all over that.
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