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Tiggum posted:You know klingons, right? The Orville version of klingons are all male. But it turns out that's not their natural state of being, but actually the result of some kind of eugenics program from a long time ago. But it never worked 100% so occasionally a baby is born female and medically reassigned male. It then later turns out that there's a secret planet of all female klingons, and their leader hears 9 to 5 and it inspires her to come out of hiding and assert the right of female klingons to exist. And the writers try very hard to pretend that 9 to 5 is about gender equality or something rather than labour relations. Also, Dolly Parton later on has a guest role as a historical holographic simulation of herself, like Stephen Hawking did on Star Trek. Also also, the whole Moclan arc convinced a co-worker and friend of mine to finally relax his very conservative view on trans people, so I can't hold much of a grudge against the writers.
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Arivia posted:Left wing social media turned this into Rogers being a homophobe. Slobbering agent provocateur nutters tried to make this into something. Nobody bit.
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Dolly donated a million dollars to help develop the moderna covid vaccine. She also had the Dollywood menu item "Dixie Stampede" renamed to "The Stampede" because...quote:“There’s such a thing as innocent ignorance, and so many of us are guilty of that,” Parton says. “When they said ‘Dixie’ was an offensive word, I thought, ‘Well, I don’t want to offend anybody. This is a business. We’ll just call it ‘The Stampede.’ As soon as you realize that [something] is a problem, you should fix it. Don’t be a dumbass.” 
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Dave Syndrome posted:
In show one of the Moclan's convert after watching Rudolph which is I think an example of media aging well. Rudolph I mean, that it still resonates today.
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Chrpno posted:(except personally I hate the "poor me, I'm so pathetic and worthless" lyrics of Jolene, they've enabled a whole terrible genre of country) It did also give us the Eldritch Abomination versions of Jolene, so there is that. Is Weird Al still good or has something horrible come out about him? The worst thing I can think of was not asking Coolio if it was okay to parody Gangsters Paradise before making Amish Paradise, and Coolio's backlash led to Weird Al asking artists before parodying their work, so he does learn from his mistakes.
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Randalor posted:It did also give us the Eldritch Abomination versions of Jolene, so there is that. I think he's vaguely "has his family say Grace before dinner" Christian, but not vocally assholish about it
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Feb 5, 2024 15:13
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Samovar posted:Slobbering agent provocateur nutters tried to make this into something. Nobody bit. Yeah I was trying to figure out how to say it but I meant Twitter/tumblr insanity posting to be clear.
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Samovar posted:Slobbering agent provocateur nutters tried to make this into something. Nobody bit. Yeah the story I heard about this is someone on the production crew said that Rogers told him that he probably shouldn't come out to the public about his orientation because bigots were always looking for some "moral outrage" thing to get the show cancelled, but he personally thought God loved him just the way he was and would be happy to be his wingman any time. Which... I dunno if having Mr Rogers as your wingman at a gay bar is a great idea, but given the chance I'd do it just for the story
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I’m reading through the Flashman Papers and it feels like media that has aged poorly and then started to whip back around to aging well. It’s bad if you sympathize with the main character, a racist, sexist rear end in a top hat who commits every sin known to man. It’s good when you realize it’s a series about how godawful the British are. It’s villainy told unsparingly from the perspective of the villain, and the author making every book hinge on the main character behaving poorly, and that poor behavior leading to every following travail makes it all become this fun circle of “Harry is accused at cheating at cards, makes an enormous rear end of himself and nearly kills somebody at a house party in the British countryside, and winds up nearly being scalped at Little Big Horn.” The Ciaphas Cain Warhammer books being a tribute to these feels like seeing an episode of Sesame Street that riffs on Goodfellas once you’ve read the source material.
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Feb 5, 2024 15:20
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mllaneza posted:And on the plus side, she runs a foundation that will send your child a free book every month up through age 5. It's regionally funded, so if your area isn't included... then that's an opportunity for activism. The current total for books gifted is 229,832,740. This! My daughter gets super excited when we tell her a new book arrived.
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Randalor posted:Is Weird Al still good or has something horrible come out about him? The worst thing I can think of was not asking Coolio if it was okay to parody Gangsters Paradise before making Amish Paradise, and Coolio's backlash led to Weird Al asking artists before parodying their work, so he does learn from his mistakes. He had been asking permission before that, there was just a miscommunication between managements. I think he became more careful after that.
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selec posted:I’m reading through the Flashman Papers and it feels like media that has aged poorly and then started to whip back around to aging well. I feel like Ciaphas Cain is different enough that it stands well on its own. Ciaphas Cain is a coward (but is capable of being brave when its really needed), but isn't actually that bad of a person.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:I feel like Ciaphas Cain is different enough that it stands well on its own. Ciaphas Cain is a coward (but is capable of being brave when its really needed), but isn't actually that bad of a person. Yeah, they definitely threw the training wheels on for the CC books. Still enjoy them, but man it’s night and day in terms of how serious you should take the main character’s assertions of what an awful cad they are.
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Ciaphas Cain's thing is imposter syndrome more than anything.
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Yeah. Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM, is definitely ambiguous by design as to how much of what he says about being a coward and doing heroic things simply for fear of being outed is true, and how much is really him being a genuinely empathetic and caring guy. I've only read the first omnibus, but between the setting and what I got from that, I'm pretty sure you're supposed to get it that, yeah, actually Cain's a pretty decent dude who's just operating under two layers of obfuscation; the layer he presents to us in the text which paints him as a self-serving coward, and the layer which he presents to most other people which presents him as HERO OF THE IMPERIUM. Cain is a liar. Flashman is honest, at least with his audience.
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Cain is also the 40k equivilant of a 90 year old who spent their entire life in the military and is currently several drinks deep into survivors guilt while narrating the document that became the books, along with the editor being someone who actually worked alongside him. It is an interesting way of telling the stories, at any rate.
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Baron von Eevl posted:He had been asking permission before that, there was just a miscommunication between managements. I think he became more careful after that. Yeah, he also just does it as a courtesy, he's under no obligation to get permission to parody someone. He only tries to respect artist's wishes because he's being polite. Also, Coolio being the one to throw a hissyfit is hilarious considering it's just a wholesale rip-off of Stevie Wonder's "Pastime Paradise." What was his argument? "How dare you make light of that song! I put my heart and soul into rewriting that!"
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Crescent Wrench posted:Yeah, he also just does it as a courtesy, he's under no obligation to get permission to parody someone. He only tries to respect artist's wishes because he's being polite. I think it might have been that Al's white.
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Baron von Eevl posted:He had been asking permission before that, there was just a miscommunication between managements. I think he became more careful after that. It happened again in the other direction when Lady Gaga's people told him no when he asked for permission to include his parody of "Born This Way" on an album - without consulting her first. The story came out and Lady Gaga said "What? Are you kidding? Absolutely yes, of course!" and "Perform This Way" became one of his bigger hits in years. Lemniscate Blue has a new favorite as of 16:26 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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Crescent Wrench posted:
If we're being fair, Gangaster's Paradise is a fairly serious song and parodying it makes it a bit irreverent. Also, I am not sure how parody law works because a parody song can be without being sued but if you are profiting off of it you have to, I imagine, credit and pay the original song writers and producers?
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I'm also fairly sure that they sorted the thing out ages ago and Coolio is fine with it now.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I'm also fairly sure that they sorted the thing out ages ago and Coolio is fine with it now. He’s dead. But yes they did sort that out.
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Yeah Al said Coolio was fine with it after the first royalties check.
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Mooseontheloose posted:If we're being fair, Gangaster's Paradise is a fairly serious song and parodying it makes it a bit irreverent. Also, I am not sure how parody law works because a parody song can be without being sued but if you are profiting off of it you have to, I imagine, credit and pay the original song writers and producers? The thing about fair use is it has to actually be a parody of or commentary on the thing you're referencing. Most of his song "parodies" are actually just comedy songs using other songs as a basis and wouldn't necessarily pass the fair use test. He could pay the standard fee to record a cover though, which doesn't require permission.
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Randalor posted:Is Weird Al still good or has something horrible come out about him? Weird Al made a better Devo song than Devo ever did with "Dare To Be Stupid" and Mark Mothersbaugh "hates him for it" If this ever turns out not to have been a joke I will eat my shoe Herzog style
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Yeah Al said Coolio was fine with it after the first royalties check. Coolio was fine with it, Kurt Cobain was fine with it, Michael Jackson was enthusiastic about it… oh god, I realize now the problem with Weird Al. Everybody he parodies ends up dead!
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Zombie Dachshund posted:Coolio was fine with it, Kurt Cobain was fine with it, Michael Jackson was enthusiastic about it… oh god, I realize now the problem with Weird Al. Everybody he parodies ends up dead! The Nirvana one is one of my favorites though. Weird Al got Kurt on the phone to ask permission and Kurt gave him his blessing, then said "...wait, it's not going to be about food, is it?"
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Alaois posted:its wicked awful lmao Why would anyone's goto celeb be some guy from a D&D podcast and a poo poo webcomic Improbable Lobster has a new favorite as of 17:36 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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Improbable Lobster posted:Why would anyone's goto celeb be some guy from a D&D podcast and a poo poo webvomic
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:let's do unproblematic favorites instead Stanislaw Lem OK, he couldn't really write women characters
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Crescent Wrench posted:The Nirvana one is one of my favorites though. Weird Al got Kurt on the phone to ask permission and Kurt gave him his blessing, then said "...wait, it's not going to be about food, is it?" quote:Yankovic proceeded to explain to Cobain what the idea for his satire was. “I said, ‘Well, no, it’s going to be a song about how nobody can understand your lyrics,’” he continued. “And he said, ‘Oh, sure, of course, that’s funny.’ That’s one of those phone conversations I wish I had recorded. I’d love to hear that myself.” 
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Asterite34 posted:Yeah the story I heard about this is someone on the production crew said that Rogers told him that he probably shouldn't come out to the public about his orientation because bigots were always looking for some "moral outrage" thing to get the show cancelled, but he personally thought God loved him just the way he was and would be happy to be his wingman any time. https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/04/10/mr-rogers-sexuality/ posted:In conversation with one of his friends, the openly gay Dr. William Hirsch, Fred Rogers himself concluded that if sexuality was measured on a scale of one to ten: “Well, you know, I must be right smack in the middle. Because I have found women attractive, and I have found men attractive.”
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Ha, I never heard that second part. That's great.
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Tiggum posted:The thing about fair use is it has to actually be a parody of or commentary on the thing you're referencing. Most of his song "parodies" are actually just comedy songs using other songs as a basis and wouldn't necessarily pass the fair use test. He could pay the standard fee to record a cover though, which doesn't require permission. A case involving song parodies went all the way to the Supreme Court in the 1990s and established that parodies are covered under fair use if they're substantially transformative. In the example of the court case, it was that 2 Live Crew's "Pretty Woman" was protected because while the opening riff/lyrics are very similar to the original version, the song veers off to be a vulgar parody of old love songs. It also found that there was little risk of 2 Live Crew 'stealing' business from country songwriters who don't have a stake in horny Miami bass club music. I get that individually his songs are not explicit commentary on the parodied song in the same way 2 Live Crew's was, but he probably has a legal case on some broad "the history of Top 40 radio tells stories about grand romance and epic heroes and important social issues, and I am parodying that in my body of work by taking these songs and making them about frivolous mundanities and topics/people who are not given the same weight and attention". But also no one has ever taken Weird Al to court and he's received explicit permission for 99%+ of his songs so it's kind of moot. And if someone was to take him to court, one of the standards would be the idea that no one is buying/playing Very Popular Pop Song because they're buying/playing Weird Al's version instead.
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sometimes Weird Al gets tripped up when it comes to slang, but I think that's just the evolution of language. In the song Gump, he has the lyrics "his girlfriend, Jenny, was kind of a slut" so that he can rhyme it with "went to the White House, showed LBJ his butt" and, I'll be honest, it now feels really weird to hear Weird Al use such a strong word, but that sure was a word that got tossed around casually everywhere for decades. The most recent one was using "spastic" in Word Crimes. He wasn't aware that it was a derogatory term in the UK and other English-speaking countries on the level of the hard R. I don't know what he did outside of apologizing on Twitter that he wasn't aware that it was a loaded term outside the US. There's also the time he asked Paul McCartney if he could do a parody of Live and Let Die that would be called Chicken Pot Pie, but Paul shut it down because he didn't want anything associated with him or his work to promote meat-eating. Weird Al didn't publish the song, but he performed it live a few times https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L66E8qWogMo
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Agreed. It was shocking when Al used it in a lyric 28 years ago and it was shocking when Tay-Tay released a song called Slut last year
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There are some lyrics on Running With Scissors that aged really poorly but Al is also someone who will never double down on that kind of thing.
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Asterite34 posted:I think he's vaguely "has his family say Grace before dinner" Christian, but not vocally assholish about it He's not Jewish????
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Improbable Lobster posted:Why would anyone's goto celeb be some guy from a D&D podcast and a poo poo webcomic lol webcomics
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