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This is the best moppet scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20v5JqcubXE
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Let’s try this: If you could have Doc and Jackson go back and retcon one thing about the series, what would it be? I’d love for them to cut out Hatred’s proclivities altogether and hurl them into the sun. I personally like the character and think he’s fun straight man as the series progresses, but holy hell good lord they poisoned that character. I know they did the whole “super soldier serum side effect” business but it shouldn’t needed that to begin with.
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Strongly agree. Have the super serum just give him general villainous tendencies, there was no need to be all edgelord about it.
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Kesper North posted:Strongly agree. Have the super serum just give him general villainous tendencies, there was no need to be all edgelord about it. It could still give him another habit, just one that is weird but harmless instead of that.
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Feb 2, 2024 06:46
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The Super Soldier Serum should have turned him into a damned hulk! But, I'm all for cutting all the.. proclivities. He was fairly good, and menacing, sitting in the hot tub with Doc and Monarch. I would have liked to see Hunter Gathers get their tits back, too. It would have been a happy ending for them.
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Warbird posted:Let’s try this: If you could have Doc and Jackson go back and retcon one thing about the series, what would it be? Yeah it probably would have been a lot better if it was the super-soldier serum alone that gave him big tits, cut out the pedophile thing entirely imo. When that line was used he wasn't even a character yet, they should have excised him from the series then and there. We never really see Sargent Hatred being a super soldier, he's built like a linebacker but he's not exactly Captain America. Even in his prime I bet Two-Ton Twenty-One could kick his rear end, and he's just a really in-shape dude.
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I don't think we ever saw Sgt. Hatred in his prime.
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ChrisBTY posted:~ Somebody pointed out something about Jonas beyond his simply monstrous narcissism: he couldn't face his failures. Venturion? Just threw him in the trash when he malfunctioned. Major Tom's crashed aircraft? Left at the bottom of the sea (out of 'respect for the dead' he said. Obviously a lie because you know, Venturion and all that). MUTHER malfunctions? Unplug her from the mainframe and forget about her. Don't go back for the orphans because they're another symbol of his failure with MUTHER. Go back for Humungulo? Well that's two failures down there. Jonas sure as hell wasn't going to deal with that. Given that this is a show about failure this shows in one way almost every single character in the show is better than Jonas in at least one way. Nobody else runs from their failures like Jonas does. I'm pretty sure this goes along perfectly with the sociopathic narcissism. Nothing is more intolerable to a narcissist than their own failings, so of course they abandon and cover them up as much as possible and don't think about them, rewriting their own memories to edit them out and never acknowledge them. Combine that with the complete disregard for life and wellbeing of others beyond what makes them useful or pleasing to him, and having the power and fame to escape consequences for drat near anything, and you have the perfect setup for a trail of carnage, corpses, ruined lives and trauma that no one can even openly question long after his death because of consequences he couldn't cheat away.
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Thing to retcon: If you're going to show Jonas as being an utter bastard do it from season 1, not season 3. Although now that I think of it; if it was actually Jonas somehow projecting himself to talk to Rusty from the PROBLEM in Gargantua 1 then he definitely was a bastard from the get-go. 'What did you do to my ship?' The irony being that there was probably nothing wrong with the ship in the first place until Rusty shorted out the controls with his defiled space suit. (Rusty's melted action figures probably weren't harming any of the infrastructure since now we now that the PROBLEM button had nothing to do with the ship's function). Wait, did Jonas's size in that scene have anything to do with where his head was placed in the PROBLEM I wonder... ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Feb 2, 2024 |
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I really like Sgt. Hatred, and I especially like the conversation him and 21 have when they infiltrate the cacoon about why they fight. It shows Hatred is one of those guys that just wants to be a part of something, and being the Venture bodyguard was probably the best thing for him. He's basically a reverse Brock. Doc and Jackson loved him as the Venture bodyguard because when he hears "I want to shoot you with a dangerous shrink ray, then paint you like money so you can hide in a ransom bag" he's all for it! If Brock heard that he would absolutely refuse and call you dumb for suggesting it. Yeah, I guess getting rid of Hatred's past with children is probably the retconn answer so I don't have to feel bad for liking him so much.
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They tried to create a sympathetic pedophile character. but then played the characteristic for humor. Bad idea. Really bad idea.
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ChrisBTY posted:They tried to create a sympathetic pedophile character. but then played the characteristic for humor. They intended for him to be a one off joke. There's no such thing as a funny pedo joke, but when he was made people were searching for it. I'm pretty sure in the commentary track they call out that it was a huge mistake and they did the best they could to fix his character. Or maybe it was in the art book? I remember it and both the commentary and the book have kind of bled together into weird production trivia.
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Felt like they had to one-up South Park like South Park one-upped Beavis & Butt-head or like B&B one-upped the Simpsons
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I will always rec Steak's Venture Bros video. Probably the best analysis on the net. And I pretty much align with his thoughts on Sgt Hatred. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sLtporEeYw
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Could I sweet talk you into a quick summary of what those thoughts were? I've watched it a few times now but don't recall the Hatred section off the top of my head.
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I believe the quote is something like: "Anyway, he's a pedophile. That's some vile poo poo, man. That's not going away. But at least he's aware of it, and he pays for it every single day." He really likes the character and how earnest he is. And he brings up the point limp_cheese did that he's a good opposite to Brock because Brock would never loving let you paint him green and hit him with a faulty shrink ray or have him hide in a sweltering fox hole for hours just to ambush the Monarch. Or go along with the whole Teddy Ruxpin gambit to fake torcher Rusty.
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Feb 2, 2024 19:01
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Oh right right, thank you. I vaguely recall him having a passable Hatred impression as well.
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I liked when Sgt Hatred was just being a "model" archnemesis. He was rubbing it in the Monarch's face but it also felt like he authentically enjoyed his work. The scene where he shoots Rusty with a rubber bullet and then ends with "86 the non-lethals, we're going full nerf on this one!" That was an excellent scene Also "I'll say it again, LUSH"
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I think that's one of my favorite parts of the show. He's fulfilling his guild obligations by "arching" Rusty to the minimum level he has to. He's also arching The Monarch by not harming Rusty at all. Monarch has to sit back and watch Rusty be barely even inconvenienced and he can't do anything about it.
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I AM GONNA COOK HIM BREAKFAST IN BED
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I think in the end there’s more hatred moments that I like than dislike so I can overlook the bad origin
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I kinda hated Hatred for a long time when I was watching the show live but on my last rewatch I really came around on him. I think he’s a great character with just the most heinous loving baggage and without the stench of 2000s edgelord comedy on him he’d be a lot more easy to love. Absolutely if one thing could be changed about the show via time travel it would be his “proclivities”.
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I am overweight! Over 50! And speedballing tranq darts and pure adrenaline!
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The scene where he almost loses control because of the elves in the Lord of the Rings analogy will always be funny to me.
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mycomancy posted:I'd bet it's a global phenomenon Knew a Dermott growing up in the UAE. Mahmoud. Wonder hows he doing.
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:The scene where he almost loses control because of the elves in the Lord of the Rings analogy will always be funny to me. The scene made me look up Henry Darger which was quite the experience
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hatty posted:The scene made me look up Henry Darger which was quite the experience That is definitely one of the deepest cuts Venture Bros has made.
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:The scene where he almost loses control because of the elves in the Lord of the Rings analogy will always be funny to me. “Heh, there sure are a lot of REALMS in this thing…”
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So I ran into this scene on Youtube and there is probably no other scene that confuses me more than this. https://youtu.be/G9CK7f95dn8 This isn't an accurate perception of the boys. This is from Doc's self-absorbed perspective. But I'm not even sure where he got it from. Man, the idea that Doc thinks he doesn't need therapy because he 'grew up' is wrong and tragic. Group therapy was not for him. Also Captain Sunshine is the worst for ditching Wonder Boy when he grew up. "He's just very lonely" my rear end. ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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MY APACHE FLOWER I WANT TO DEVOUR AND TAKE A HOT SHOWER WITH YOUUUUUU
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ChrisBTY posted:So I ran into this scene on Youtube and there is probably no other scene that confuses me more than this. My take on Doc's perception of the boys is that Doc sees Dean as the innocent and curious boy genius Doc thought he was supposed to be when he was a boy adventurer, while he sees Hank as the normal boy Doc wanted to be when he was a kid.
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ChrisBTY posted:So I ran into this scene on Youtube and there is probably no other scene that confuses me more than this. I actually like this scene because it reveals how much Doc misattributes his own kids. It says more about Doc than Hank or Dean. You see aspects of this mindset with how much he leans on Dean's entry into college and Doc's thoughts on how much Hank idolizes Brock. The latter is very much true, but he incorrectly interprets that by focusing on Brock's ability to call bullshit on the dumber aspects of the adventurer life instead of Brock's field skills and general adventuring street-smarts.
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QuarkJets posted:I liked when Sgt Hatred was just being a "model" archnemesis. He was rubbing it in the Monarch's face but it also felt like he authentically enjoyed his work. The scene where he shoots Rusty with a rubber bullet and then ends with "86 the non-lethals, we're going full nerf on this one!" That was an excellent scene That entire scene is great because Rusty's so over all the supervillain poo poo like giant spiders, but that line has stuck with me for ages because it really does describe so much of the mediocre HR box-checking bullshit you have to do when you're job searching.
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Thinking on it: maybe Doc sees Hank as what he was as a kid and Dean as what he is as an adult. He can project himself and his own failures onto Dean as that's his present. Hank? He's a past Doc would rather bury in the backyard and distances himself accordingly all the while pitying Hank like he pities himself.
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Favorite episode? I feel like Operation PROM is the obvious answer, but if I search my heart I think it's Everybody Comes to Hank's. e: or All That and Gargantua, Too. But that more or less feels like the first Venture Bros. movie to me, so it almost doesn't count. e2: if I were to ever do a fan edit, it would be to combine Hank's with Bright Lights, Dean City as a special. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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For me it's always either Tag Sale or Victor Echo November. I was a sucker for the Dean/Triana "romance". Coincidentally I also stopped watching for a decade or so after Operation P.R.O.M.
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My list of "these are the episodes I consider best:" "Are You There God, It's Me, Dean" "Tag-Sale – You're It!" "The Trial of the Monarch" "Hate Floats" "Twenty Years to Midnight" "Victor. Echo. November." "Showdown at Cremation Creek" "Shadowman 9: In the Cradle of Destiny" "The Invisible Hand of Fate" "ORB" "Handsome Ransom" "Everybody Comes to Hank's" "Operation: P.R.O.M." "What Color Is Your Cleansuit?" "All This and Gargantua-2" "It Happening One Night" "Red Means Stop" "The Venture Bros. & The Curse of the Haunted Problem" "Arrears in Science" "Radiant Is the Blood of the Baboon Heart"
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Okay but what's your Sophie's Choice
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feedmyleg posted:Favorite episode? I feel like Operation PROM is the obvious answer, but if I search my heart I think it's Everybody Comes to Hank's. Victor Echo November
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