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Dexo posted:"Simple poo poo" cannot be taught, is where I disagree. At least the stuff that Fields isn't good at. Then we just fundamentally disagree. I think this line of thinking is problematic because it allows for coaches to blame players instead of their own flaws. Anything can he taught. Anything can be learned and improved. There will be limits and caps for the amount of progress that can be made for most, but I have always believed work ethic and will are the biggest differences between regular players and superstars. It is about how much you want to succeed at the NFL level.
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I can’t wait till next year we have this exact same argument but this draft prospect will be different he doesn’t have any of the flaws inherent to Caleb!
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Feb 6, 2024 02:25
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The Bears should surround someone better than Justin Fields with talent. 
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Feb 6, 2024 02:55
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You have my solemn vow that I'm not going to spend a single second thinking about the Chicago Bears until an actual trade or draft pick happens
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Feb 6, 2024 03:35
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GNU Order posted:You have my solemn vow that I'm not going to spend a single second thinking about the Chicago Bears until an actual trade or draft pick happens I make no such promises
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Feb 6, 2024 04:20
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Sataere posted:Then we just fundamentally disagree. I think this line of thinking is problematic because it allows for coaches to blame players instead of their own flaws. Anything can he taught. Anything can be learned and improved. There will be limits and caps for the amount of progress that can be made for most, but I have always believed work ethic and will are the biggest differences between regular players and superstars. It is about how much you want to succeed at the NFL level. It's not just being able to get there, but it's being able to get there fast enough to still be considered. Maybe Fields can put it all together, but if he doesn't do it in the next 2 - 3 years, there's no reason not to keep waiting.
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Feb 6, 2024 08:25
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If we, fans of NFC North teams, don’t solve the Chicago Bears problems, who will? There are no other teams with qb issues right now, so we should just work on the problem at hand.
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Dr. Lunchables posted:If we, fans of NFC North teams, don’t solve the Chicago Bears problems, who will? There are no other teams with qb issues right now, so we should just work on the problem at hand. The Falcons or the Dolphins or the Raiders will solve it.
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Feb 6, 2024 15:10
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A Sneaker Broker posted:The Falcons or the Dolphins or the Raiders will solve it. lmao if the raiders reunite Getsy and Fields
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Feb 6, 2024 15:17
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ZombieCrew posted:Justin Fields can't read a defense. He misses the open man often and has shown little improvement in this. If his first read isnt there, he dumps it off, runs, or takes a sack. Draft Caleb and reset the clock. No, Fields is not worth a first. Is that his fault? Lamar did the same exact thing a week and a half ago.
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Feb 6, 2024 15:29
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Yes. Lamar even when he had no receivers and a Coach who doesn't believe in the forward pass has been a better and more efficient passer than Fields.
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Feb 6, 2024 15:47
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HootTheOwl posted:lmao if the raiders reunite Getsy and Fields If that happens I fully expect Fields to commit ritual murder-suicide to preserve his honor. Dexo posted:Yes. This is the biggest thing for me regarding Fields, even beyond his crummy footwork. He plays scared--and that was acceptable in his rookie year when he was running for his life like so many Bears quarterbacks had to before him, but not anymore--and if his first read is covered, he just loving panics. Timby fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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Feb 6, 2024 15:51
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Timby posted:If that happens I fully expect Fields to commit ritual murder-suicide to preserve his honor. Yes, unlike this year where he was still running for his life because other than the two or so games the full line was there he was getting blown up every play
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Feb 6, 2024 15:57
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HootTheOwl posted:Yes, unlike this year where he was still running for his life because other than the two or so games the full line was there he was getting blown up every play I'm not suggesting that the Bears' offensive line was elite, but at the very least Jenkins, Wright and Jones were very good, and Nate Davis seems legit. (They just suck when it comes to finding an efficient center.) Fields lost his poo poo the moment he couldn't bullseye DJ Moore or then Kmet as a backup option (and Moore saved a lot of Fields' bullshit throws).
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Feb 6, 2024 16:04
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Getting blown up after holding the ball too long, sure.
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Fields did get Nano'd from time to time, but yeah, most of his sacks(including the one he got injured on I think that was a sack, he might have thrown it away while getting tackled or something) was because he didn't just loving throw the ball either to an open receiver in structure or throw the ball away instead of taking the negative play of a sack. And honestly a number of the times he got Nano'd that was the play design, he was responsible for the free rusher and he has to throw the Hot route, or dirt the ball, and he just doesn't do it. Lucas Patrick did get blown up too much tho. so that's suboptimal.
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Timby posted:I'm not suggesting that the Bears' offensive line was elite, but at the very least Jenkins, Wright and Jones were very good, and Nate Davis seems legit. (They just suck when it comes to finding an efficient center.) Fields lost his poo poo the moment he couldn't bullseye DJ Moore or then Kmet as a backup option (and Moore saved a lot of Fields' bullshit throws). Jenkins missed 5 games and Jones missed 6, but also you missed the Center, which when it comes to a QB panicking, is the most important line position. And that's how the season ended. D line men teeing off the invisible center blowing up plays before they could ever begin. E: y'all pay for the fancy stats, what was his TTS, how does that compare? HootTheOwl fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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Feb 6, 2024 16:13
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Kurt had a couple interesting insights on Caleb. Bears relevantquote:https://twitter.com/KurtBenkert/status/1754884992381984981
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SKULL.GIF posted:Kurt had a couple interesting insights on Caleb. Bears relevant Lowkey, my favorite QB in this entire draft is Jayden Daniels. I just need him to put on more pounds to that frame of his.
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HootTheOwl posted:Jenkins missed 5 games and Jones missed 6, but also you missed the Center, which when it comes to a QB panicking, is the most important line position. And that's how the season ended. D line men teeing off the invisible center blowing up plays before they could ever begin. I literally mentioned the center in the post you quoted.
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This is a good read imo: https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/alex-anzalone-nfl-football-detroit-lions
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A Sneaker Broker posted:Lowkey, my favorite QB in this entire draft is Jayden Daniels. I just need him to put on more pounds to that frame of his. I’d much rather have Caleb than Jayden.
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Comfortador posted:This is a good read imo: lol at a linebacker's son just tackling every other kid in preschool
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Henchman of Santa posted:lol at a linebacker's son just tackling every other kid in preschool Preschool is lowkey thunderdome.
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HootTheOwl posted:Yes, unlike this year where he was still running for his life because other than the two or so games the full line was there he was getting blown up every play Justin Fields's sack rate - 10.6% Tyson Bagent's sack rate - 3.4%
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Tbf Bagent got a mostly healthy line, but yeah Bagent can make like 1/3 of the throws that Fields can, but he sees it and throws it even if his arm can't do it. Not saying Bagent is as good as Fields or better. He's not. But he loving throws the Ball on time. I get why Fields would frustrate any OC, to be clear not a defense of Getsy he did truly suck at play calling, because man when the play is there he either doesn't throw it or is late despite having a clean pocket and literally looking at the right spot and receiver coming open.
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Mike N Eich posted:Justin Fields's sack rate - 10.6% Yeah, his time to throw is also negative because they never called anything other than a screen or a slant. https://x.com/NicholasMoreano/status/1716292850592235802?s=20 Sideways football.
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It'd be great if Fields threw Slants would really help give him an out against pressure but alas for some reason he loving hates throwing them. Nothing but Digs and outs
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Sataere posted:I make no such promises I've been thinking about the Bears offseason since October. QB is the most important position in sports but there's only so much to be said. Either you like Justin or you're ready to move on. There's a kaleidoscope of detail in that decision and it's a good problem to have, but it's still more speculation and projection than fact I'm not the conversation police but the Bears suck so much and I'm sick of thinking about them. My dad asked me if Washington's OC hire was a tell that we were going to keep Fields. What are we doing
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To talk about the 9th pick It's probably a bit illogical but man I would love to have Bowers at 9. Running a bunch of 12 and 13 personnel with Kmet and Bowers would be sexy sexy football. Regardless of QB.
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Canned Sunshine posted:I’d much rather have Caleb than Jayden. Caleb is going #1. It's either Maye or Daniels who are viable options for 31 other teams.
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Hot Diggity! posted:Dolphins hired Barry for their LB / run game coordinator position, we hired the former Dolphins LB coach https://x.com/cheeseheadtv/status/1754913242500235381?s=20
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Dexo posted:To talk about the 9th pick It's probably a bit illogical but man I would love to have Bowers at 9. Didn't his knee explode or did I imagine it?
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I will say that, the fact that consensus leans towards drafting Caleb leads me to believe the Bears aren't going to, because they always do the opposite of consensus in these positions
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Hot Diggity! posted:Dolphins hired Barry for their LB / run game coordinator position, we hired the former Dolphins LB coach OK I'm allowing myself to be cautiously excited about the defensive coaching. But why did the Dolphins let this guy go?
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Hot Diggity! posted:Dolphins hired Barry for their LB / run game coordinator position, we hired the former Dolphins LB coach Joe Barry is supposed to be a legitimately good LB coach, so good for them. Not sure why you’d want him as your defensive run game coordinator, but whatever, I’m not a dolphins fan, not my problem.
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SKULL.GIF posted:OK I'm allowing myself to be cautiously excited about the defensive coaching. But why did the Dolphins let this guy go? Incompetence? The Eagles wanted Anthony as well.
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Dexo posted:To talk about the 9th pick It's probably a bit illogical but man I would love to have Bowers at 9. There's no way he survives to 9. The top of this year's draft is going to be like (in no particular order) QB QB QB WR WR Bowers OT OT then us If he's there at 9 then yeah take him without thinking, he's insanely talented
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