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crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

Guavanaut posted:

Found Wes Streeting's barber


what i'd like to see is the dumb and dumber style modified vehicle the proprietor drives

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crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

Aipsh posted:

My mother died a couple of days ago, but this is all happening in Ireland so I’ve had to fly over, but one thing that strikes me is the difference between the time. The only reason the funeral hasn’t happened yet is because she died on a weekend and Monday is a bank holiday over here.

On the other hand when my grandmother died it felt like the funeral took 6 months to happen and when we were allowed to look at her body in the funeral home it had been so long her skin turned green, despite the best efforts of the morticians.

Personally I’m a fan of the Irish tradition of practically upending the hospital bed and flipping the immediately deceased into an open grave but I assume this is some weird Catholic/Protestant cultural divide

i'm sorry to hear that, op

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Aipsh posted:

My mother died a couple of days ago, but this is all happening in Ireland so I’ve had to fly over, but one thing that strikes me is the difference between the time. The only reason the funeral hasn’t happened yet is because she died on a weekend and Monday is a bank holiday over here.

On the other hand when my grandmother died it felt like the funeral took 6 months to happen and when we were allowed to look at her body in the funeral home it had been so long her skin turned green, despite the best efforts of the morticians.

Personally I’m a fan of the Irish tradition of practically upending the hospital bed and flipping the immediately deceased into an open grave but I assume this is some weird Catholic/Protestant cultural divide

Sorry about your mum, mate.

I think I can speak for most Irish people that we find it extremely weird that the British take weeks (?) to bury their dead

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Speaking from albeit sparse recent experience it seems to be more about a lack of venues. That and a tendency to avoid workdays due to the narrow list of who you can get compassionate leave for.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Failed Imagineer posted:

Sorry about your mum, mate.

I think I can speak for most Irish people that we find it extremely weird that the British take weeks (?) to bury their dead

I'm pretty sure it's another side effect of our collapsed society rather than a cultural thing. Took about 6 weeks for my aunt to get her funeral, was real crap. And it's entirely because the whole thing was badly backed up in Cheltenham where she had lives. My gran meawnhile died in Inverness and it was more like 3 weeks from death to burial. Which still seems far too long to me

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

grobbo posted:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/02/12/a-teens-fatal-plunge-into-the-london-underworld

Horrific and fascinating long read that's partly about the London police's curious attitude towards mysterious deaths involving the international ultra-wealthy.


TLDR: An upper-middle-class teenager with a history of compulsive lying befriends a wealthy family with suspected gangland ties, while pretending to be a Russian oligarch's heir with access to a vast fortune. It all ends with him jumping to his death off their penthouse balcony at 3am, with evidence of violence inside the apartment. The coppers' conclusion: 'well, we can't make anyone admit they were involved.'


That's an extraordinary (and chilling) story.

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

Aipsh posted:

My mother died a couple of days ago, but this is all happening in Ireland so I’ve had to fly over, but one thing that strikes me is the difference between the time. The only reason the funeral hasn’t happened yet is because she died on a weekend and Monday is a bank holiday over here.

On the other hand when my grandmother died it felt like the funeral took 6 months to happen and when we were allowed to look at her body in the funeral home it had been so long her skin turned green, despite the best efforts of the morticians.

Personally I’m a fan of the Irish tradition of practically upending the hospital bed and flipping the immediately deceased into an open grave but I assume this is some weird Catholic/Protestant cultural divide

Condolences on your loss. :(

We always try to get it done in three days irrespective of faith, can be longer if a cremation is chosen.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

forkboy84 posted:

I'm pretty sure it's another side effect of our collapsed society rather than a cultural thing. Took about 6 weeks for my aunt to get her funeral, was real crap. And it's entirely because the whole thing was badly backed up in Cheltenham where she had lives. My gran meawnhile died in Inverness and it was more like 3 weeks from death to burial. Which still seems far too long to me

Yeah I guess, but it also has to be at least part cultural. Like, if you started telling people in Ireland that they'd have to wait 6 weeks for burials I'm pretty sure it would be treated about as well as telling them that the bodies were just going to be dumped in the street. Idk, just a strange difference, but the UK is a much more crowded place.

Sorry to raise such a morbid topic and again sympathies to the newly bereft

SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon
The Queen was buried 11 days after she died so clearly it can happen faster if you're rich enough

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Being fair her venue is rarely fully-booked.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

forkboy84 posted:

I'm pretty sure it's another side effect of our collapsed society rather than a cultural thing.
Have worked for a funeral director, can confirm it's a cultural norm and not a collapse thing. This was back in 2012ish? So back when the economy was at least ticking over to the extent that the middle class didn't notice the rot.

There is so much loving paperwork behind the scenes, and each form has a 2 day turnaround waiting while it's sat in the post or someone's inbox for it to get stamped. Nothing is digital, everything is a physical form someone needs to sign, and god help you if the one person in the relevant authority who isn't a jobsworth is on holiday.

He took on a funeral for an Irish family once, he and his son had to spend about 2 days driving around taking form A from office 1 to office 2 to get it signed, so that he could get them to release form B and drive it across to office 3 to get it signed. And the family still weren't happy with how long it took (quite rightly as well).

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe
Sorry about your mother, Aipsh. condolences :(

Failed Imagineer posted:

Yeah I guess, but it also has to be at least part cultural. Like, if you started telling people in Ireland that they'd have to wait 6 weeks for burials I'm pretty sure it would be treated about as well as telling them that the bodies were just going to be dumped in the street. Idk, just a strange difference, but the UK is a much more crowded place.

Sorry to raise such a morbid topic and again sympathies to the newly bereft

Remember when the gravediggers in one council went on strike for ten days in January 1979 and 150 burials were delayed by up to a week? And this was stirred into such a scandal that the entire socio-economic system of the country was irrecovably altered?

Now a two week wait between the death of a relative and the funeral/burial is the norm.

Same with the infamous The Bins!

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral
lol jesus christ



'we're the Popular Conservatives, or PopCons! for short :D. we're a grassroots movement dedicated to restoring the vibrancy of our national democracy :D. our policy agenda is :byodood:SUFFER NOT THE WOKE TO LIVE, TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY FROM THE SINISTER FORCES OF THE GLOBALIST TRANS CONSPIRACY:byodood:.'

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
We should let Liz Truss have a go at being PM, it would be funny.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Have worked for a funeral director, can confirm it's a cultural norm and not a collapse thing. This was back in 2012ish?

Going to disagree with you, it's just that we've been going downhill since 1979 not 2010. In the 80s my grandparents were buried within a week, and when my great aunt's funeral took just over a fortnight in the 90s there were many mutterings of concern.

E: I suppose the fact we have closed coffins probably made this particular collapse easier, though

Oh dear me fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Feb 6, 2024

PriorMarcus
Oct 17, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY

Didn't Liz Truss used to be left-wing? I know the answer is power and wealth, but what the gently caress happened?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Apraxin posted:

lol jesus christ


"Taking power from families to give to the state" is a straight up fascist talking point. It appears in the Elders of Zion. Viktor Orban referred to it. The World Congress of Families refers to it all the time, which influenced the American Enterprise Institute, with which Liz Truss is involved.

The families they're talking about aren't yours.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Oh dear me posted:

Going to disagree with you, it's just that we've been going downhill since 1979 not 2010. In the 80s my grandparents were buried within a week, and when my great aunt's funeral took just over a fortnight in the 90s there were many mutterings of concern.
Probably, I'm just saying it's not down to this collapse.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I remember there was a lot of paperwork when we had my grandmother's funeral, don't think I would have managed if I hadn't had my mum helping.

I think there is at least an online thing where you can put the death cert number in and it informs a bunch of different departments about it. But yeah in general a lot of paperwork, I remember we had problems with the insurance paying the funeral director because they needed proof she was dead. I feel like the funeral director could have sent a photo or something but that's bureaucracy.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


PriorMarcus posted:

Didn't Liz Truss used to be left-wing? I know the answer is power and wealth, but what the gently caress happened?

Her dad is a socialist but I don't know if she was.

Anyway, good to hear about that left wing extremism that's been controlling the country for the last 14 years...

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

My brother and his son have ghosted at least two direct requests from my mum's solicitor to try to find out where her body or ashes are located. There's a good chance that I may eventually end up with them, so that she can have her wish of having her ashes placed in a steam locomotive firebox.

fuctifino fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Feb 6, 2024

PriorMarcus
Oct 17, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY

fuctifino posted:

My brother and his son have ghosted at least two direct requests from my mum's solicitor to try to find out where her body or ashes are located. There's a good chance that I may eventually end up with them, so that she can have her wish of having her ashes being placed in a steam locomotive firebox.



I just feel sorry for the innocent soul whose ashes where used in this test run.

killerwhat
May 13, 2010

Apraxin posted:

lol jesus christ



'we're the Popular Conservatives, or PopCons! for short :D. we're a grassroots movement dedicated to restoring the vibrancy of our national democracy :D. our policy agenda is :byodood:SUFFER NOT THE WOKE TO LIVE, TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY FROM THE SINISTER FORCES OF THE GLOBALIST TRANS CONSPIRACY:byodood:.'

Changing my username to "wokery nonsense"

e: sorry about your mum, Aipsh

pitch a fitness
Mar 19, 2010

Bobby Deluxe posted:

There is so much loving paperwork behind the scenes, and each form has a 2 day turnaround waiting while it's sat in the post or someone's inbox for it to get stamped. Nothing is digital, everything is a physical form someone needs to sign, and god help you if the one person in the relevant authority who isn't a jobsworth is on holiday.

After my dad died late last year, I lost count of the times we were told about my fetch quest of the Green Form that I will receive from the registrar and must take to the funeral directors, who are located on the south side of town.

Was at least amusing to see the registrar triple check the spelling of Hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis

OwlFancier posted:

I think there is at least an online thing where you can put the death cert number in and it informs a bunch of different departments about it.
TellUsOnce. It was super useful to get that done with in one shot and an great example of the civil service being able to work as needed.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Aipsh posted:

My mother died a couple of days ago, but this is all happening in Ireland so I’ve had to fly over, but one thing that strikes me is the difference between the time. The only reason the funeral hasn’t happened yet is because she died on a weekend and Monday is a bank holiday over here.

On the other hand when my grandmother died it felt like the funeral took 6 months to happen and when we were allowed to look at her body in the funeral home it had been so long her skin turned green, despite the best efforts of the morticians.

Personally I’m a fan of the Irish tradition of practically upending the hospital bed and flipping the immediately deceased into an open grave but I assume this is some weird Catholic/Protestant cultural divide

Sorry to hear.
I've said this before here, if there was one thing I would force on others is the Irish wake.
Its traditional in some parts to follow the body home from the hospital, when the hearse collects it. Did so with my father, that was an 80 mile drive.
Slower than normal through towns, but normal speed on the motorway.
My brother's wife is from Australia, and their funerals are all dour silence and gloom and nothing else. She had a shock when we were drinking and laughing the nights of the wake.
Best group therapy you can ever get.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

happyhippy posted:

Sorry to hear.
I've said this before here, if there was one thing I would force on others is the Irish wake.
Its traditional in some parts to follow the body home from the hospital, when the hearse collects it. Did so with my father, that was an 80 mile drive.
Slower than normal through towns, but normal speed on the motorway.
My brother's wife is from Australia, and their funerals are all dour silence and gloom and nothing else. She had a shock when we were drinking and laughing the nights of the wake.
Best group therapy you can ever get.

Would make a good mission if GTA ever goes to Ireland

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

PriorMarcus posted:

Didn't Liz Truss used to be left-wing? I know the answer is power and wealth, but what the gently caress happened?

Liz Truss is a puppet OP. A literal talking meat suit who is saying things the rich people funding whatever the gently caress she is doing want her to say. I mean they all are to some extent but she is a particularly grievous example because she’s thick as dogshit and hasn’t had an original thought in decades.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

smellmycheese posted:

Liz Truss is a puppet OP. A literal talking meat suit

Given her open sub tendencies she'd probably read this like :hmmyes: :shlick:

Aipsh
Feb 17, 2006


GLUPP SHITTO FAN CLUB PRESIDENT
Thanks for all your goondolences and goondolences to those who lost others.


Good to know though, that the UK (England) continues to be as much of a failing state as I imagined in funeral terms, or at the very least, unwilling to modernise the process even slightly.

We contacted the funeral home the day she died and quite literally anything that didn’t require our direct input was sorted by the end of the day. It’s very impressive over in old Hibernia

Tedsville
Aug 21, 2020

Huffing Mr Sheen to make the phone calls go away

Apraxin posted:

lol jesus christ



'we're the Popular Conservatives, or PopCons! for short :D. we're a grassroots movement dedicated to restoring the vibrancy of our national democracy :D. our policy agenda is :byodood:SUFFER NOT THE WOKE TO LIVE, TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY FROM THE SINISTER FORCES OF THE GLOBALIST TRANS CONSPIRACY:byodood:.'

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


happyhippy posted:

Sorry to hear.
I've said this before here, if there was one thing I would force on others is the Irish wake.
Its traditional in some parts to follow the body home from the hospital, when the hearse collects it. Did so with my father, that was an 80 mile drive.
Slower than normal through towns, but normal speed on the motorway.
My brother's wife is from Australia, and their funerals are all dour silence and gloom and nothing else. She had a shock when we were drinking and laughing the nights of the wake.
Best group therapy you can ever get.

You've not lived until you've experienced a proper Calvinist funeral. When I was a kid we lived in an old farm worker's cottage (which by the by, glad we left before I was 6, it was so poorly insulated that one winter the toilet water froze over) & the local farmer was a really nice guy, let me steer his tractor & was just super nice all round, had no problems with us kids playing in the hay bails & poo poo. Well we moved & didn't see him many times after that but I went to his funeral when I was 17, it was a Free Church of Scotland service. Swear to god, the most miserable funeral I've ever been at. Just so loving grim & joyless, seemed just wrong for a guy who was so friendly & nice. I wept more at that funeral that the funerals of all 4 of my grandparents, (well, 3, I skipped my granny's because I had tickets to Supersonic Festival that year), an aunt, an uncle, & other more distant relatives funerals combined.

It was not remotely cathartic, I don't think it was meant to be, I think it was meant to be miserable because joy is a sin. Fond memories are a sin. Everything is a sin.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I did attend half a catholic funeral and the amount of "oh god we love you so much and we know you always make the right choices by killing this 30 year old woman with a young daughter" was very offputting.

Like half the function of the funeral is to try and convince people not to question their commitment to the church because something tremendously hosed up has happened.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

The baptists are cunts for telling my gran, when she was dying of cancer, that she wouldn't get into heaven because she had gotten divorced. From her abusive husband.

gently caress those guys. The minister in question even made a point of bringing it up at the funeral.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

forkboy84 posted:

I'm pretty sure it's another side effect of our collapsed society rather than a cultural thing. Took about 6 weeks for my aunt to get her funeral, was real crap. And it's entirely because the whole thing was badly backed up in Cheltenham where she had lives. My gran meawnhile died in Inverness and it was more like 3 weeks from death to burial. Which still seems far too long to me

Gloucestershire.
My dad died in Gloucestershire in 2015. It was a WEEK before mum was even able to book an appointment in Gloucester to go register the death (so by that time it was already 10 days past his death). Firstly, she had been ringing the number every day for a week to try to get the appointment but noone ever answered, there wasn't an engaged tone, nor an answering machine of any sort. We didn't know this until she told us. Because we mere slips-of-things had heard of this creation known as The Internet and it's servant The Google, we finally found out that the number in the nearest local town she'd been given to call rang in to an office that was staffed for one hour every blue moon. So we managed to find out that she would have to go to Gloucester to do it. Well thank goodness my sister can drive because there was no way to get there and back in under 2 days by public transport and taxis round there almost non-existent.
Ended up being 6 weeks before dad's funeral.
Of course, all those living in cities were like "but you just pop in to the office the same day" or other such words of completely useless and irrelevant information, once you get outside a city or large town, forget anything you think is "the way things are".

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Aipsh posted:

Thanks for all your goondolences and goondolences to those who lost others.


Good to know though, that the UK (England) continues to be as much of a failing state as I imagined in funeral terms, or at the very least, unwilling to modernise the process even slightly.

We contacted the funeral home the day she died and quite literally anything that didn’t require our direct input was sorted by the end of the day. It’s very impressive over in old Hibernia

My condolences Aipsh.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Aipsh posted:



We contacted the funeral home the day she died and quite literally anything that didn’t require our direct input was sorted by the end of the day. It’s very impressive over in old Hibernia

I'm glad that at least you're not having to deal with all the faff, and my condolences.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
drat even Harry has flown back. He must be serious

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
A second private jet has flown into the south wing of the palace.

PriorMarcus
Oct 17, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY

serious gaylord posted:

drat even Harry has flown back. He must be serious

Certainly feels like he's a lot closer to being dead than we've been led to believe.

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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

PriorMarcus posted:

Certainly feels like he's a lot closer to being dead than we've been led to believe.

Sat down in Buckingham Palace and took a sip from the wine glass still left from the day Brenda carked it only for the remaining Novitruss to get working.

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