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I'm sure all planes can be shot down. Was that up for contention?
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Feb 6, 2024 16:07
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Eric Cantonese posted:I'm sure all planes can be shot down. Was that up for contention? ... this changes everything...
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Feb 6, 2024 16:11
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next from LockMart: the first 6th gen fighter, the F-41 Titanic. God Himself could not shoot it down!
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Feb 6, 2024 16:22
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Staluigi posted:Don't worry, we're only sending the ones you didn't work on What's the MOS for an F-35 urination bag technician anyhow?
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Feb 6, 2024 16:23
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Couldn't say, my uncles merely work at nintendo, not lockheed martin
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Feb 6, 2024 16:40
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Staluigi posted:Don't worry, we're only sending the ones you didn't work on That sucks to find out the f35 is a pile of garbage by an engineer who worked on it for years, it's a flying pile of garbage and I was really an engineer on it. Some of which were the ones transferred to israel Give it time and check back in with me to see how these are fairing in an actual war when that time comes. You guys are talking about f16s and those are never going to see any actual combat besides being shot down by something they'll never see coming from all the AA and russian air superiority fighters Watching you make up whole fiction about the capabilities of these things is wild. HouseofSuren fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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Feb 6, 2024 17:23
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Can you point to any unclassified sources to the F35 being dogshit? Or, perhaps opinions of other, more definitive sources? I'm genuinely curious.
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Feb 6, 2024 17:32
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I know F-35s were used in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I am dreading if what we find out if/when they get used against an enemy with more resources. The US seems to be dealing with constant teething issues when it comes to that plane, probably due to all the technology that has gotten packed into it and how the military tried to make it everything to everybody.HouseofSuren posted:That sucks to find out the f35 is a pile of garbage by an engineer who worked on it for years, it's a flying pile of garbage and I was really an engineer on it. I don't know if you edited stuff out of your previous post, so maybe I'm missing detailed stuff you were talking about before. I know Ukraine has had Mig 29 casualties, but from what I understand it hasn't been a total bloodbath for them. If they use the F-16s the same way, it might not be a game changer, but I don't know why they'd all necessarily get shot down either. I might be wrong, but if anything, from what I have read, it seems like one of the major and continuing surprises about this war is how Russia has been unable to gain air superiority despite having more technologically advanced fighters and more of them.
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Feb 6, 2024 17:35
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HouseofSuren posted:That sucks to find out the f35 is a pile of garbage by an engineer who worked on it for years, it's a flying pile of garbage and I was really an engineer on it. Far be it from me to question a three day old account claiming subject matter expertise, but could you elaborate? Are you not counting air strikes as "actual combat"?
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Feb 6, 2024 17:44
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Get to the part where you leak classified schematics or whatever; that's the fun part of this.
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Feb 6, 2024 17:50
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mutata posted:Get to the part where you leak classified schematics or whatever; that's the fun part of this. This isn't the War Thunder forums! We have standards!
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Feb 6, 2024 17:53
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If the F35 turns out to be dogshit, does that mean the A10 defenders were right?
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Feb 6, 2024 17:55
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The f35 was a disaster of a project, but some of its assumptions like 'u really need a degree of stealth to do poo poo' were correct. And the f-35 is the best thing currently available in that regard so it gets a sort of win by default. in the context of ukraine it would mean it could get that much closer to the frontlines or in air to air engagements etc., so all else being equal the russian air defenses would have to be deployed closer to the front to be effective, which in turn renders them vulnerable to attack. cascading benefits like that. TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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Feb 6, 2024 17:59
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jarlywarly posted:Snow Crash Staluigi posted:The sky was the color of a television tuned to a Ukranian platoon You're looking for the ugly shirt from Zero History.
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Feb 6, 2024 18:03
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Far be it from me to question a three day old account claiming subject matter expertise, but could you elaborate? Are you not counting air strikes as "actual combat"? If this is the playbook I'm expecting, we're sure to hear about how the F35 is a complete disaster and would lose in straight matchups with russian or chinese air superiority fighters, and the source is any combination of "trust me bro" and articles or posts detailing the plane's development hiccups But having someone jump immediately to asserting authority on the subject because they were an engineer who worked on the plane for years is a bold and very fun intensification
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Feb 6, 2024 18:06
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The X-man cometh posted:If the F35 turns out to be dogshit, does that mean the A10 defenders were right? The F35 was a smashing success at the core fundamentals: making money hand over fist for the military-industrial complex.
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Feb 6, 2024 18:11
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The X-man cometh posted:If the F35 turns out to be dogshit, does that mean the A10 defenders were right? If anything, even more A10s get shot down out the sky in a conflict like this. The US DoD reportedly told Ukraine after getting a request for A10s that the A10s would be a "squeaky target" https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/...s%20hands%20up. I know this gets erroneously stated a lot, but I don't think A10s even had radar to start out with. The avionics are way behind and built for a battlefield from the 1970s. I don't know how much the avionics ever got modernized over the years, but I still think modern anti-aircraft missiles would have a field day.
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Feb 6, 2024 18:13
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HouseofSuren posted:Oh man, F35's wouldn't even get near Russian defenses, why on earth do you think an F-16 would. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uh4yMAx2UA We can critique how the F-35 has been a huge drain of resources and how the program was run with the multiple variants. The end result is there and many countries are lining up to buy it.
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Feb 6, 2024 18:15
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HouseofSuren posted:That sucks to find out the f35 is a pile of garbage by an engineer who worked on it for years, it's a flying pile of garbage and I was really an engineer on it. Meanwhile, in contemporary documented reality. Take the tankie fan fics somewhere else. https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1754897963820646729?s=20
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Feb 6, 2024 18:15
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I mean the entire war has been people confidently stating that western equipment is dogshit right up until it dunks over Russian stuff, at which point it gets quietly memory-holed. Just from memory, HIMARS was not a big deal and would swiftly be destroyed, Patriot batteries were old tech and defenseless against the Kinzhal, and Bradleys were outdated and would be shredded by things like BMPs and T90s. Bonus points for US CIWS which had never actually been used in combat destroying a cruise missile within a couple days of Russia losing a boat to something CIWS should be effective against (a jetski with explosives on top)
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Feb 6, 2024 18:16
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Speaking of leaks (and hacks) https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1754901906323808469
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Feb 6, 2024 18:20
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Hey, let him talk. Maybe we can finally find out if the F35 was engineered by idiots.
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Feb 6, 2024 18:23
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Ynglaur posted:Tucker Carlson is a loving traitor. He's acting as a foreign agent, is clearly doing so, and should be loving indicted for it. The biggest harm of arresting a journalist would probably be to the US itself, which has already dropped three points last year in the World Press Freedom Index.
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Feb 6, 2024 18:34
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mawarannahr posted:The biggest harm of arresting a journalist would probably be to the US itself, which has already dropped three points last year in the World Press Freedom Index. I'm not disagreeing with you in the sense that I think he should be arrested (lol, no, wtf) but I almost did a spit take at calling Carlson a "journalist". He's a journalist in the same way I'm Ryan Gosling.
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Feb 6, 2024 18:36
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mawarannahr posted:The biggest harm of arresting a journalist would probably be to the US itself, which has already dropped three points last year in the World Press Freedom Index. so arrest tucker carlson instead of a journalist and get those three points back
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Feb 6, 2024 18:37
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If the assertion is "the battlefield is too saturated with Russian anti-air and no fighter on the planet is going to be able to provide enough SEAD capability to make a difference", that still remains to be proven but seems like a reasonable enough bet. The main reason F-16 is promising is because Ukraine needs more planes and more missiles period, regardless of whatever theoretical new capabilities it might bring. If it's just dickwaving about chad Russia vs. the virgin West then 
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Feb 6, 2024 18:43
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Carlson's network seems to be pretty obviously not principally owned by foreign interests so he's not even in violation of FARA. Either way arresting him would be stupid and anti productive, never mind pretty obviously contrary to press freedoms, even if he is a shitbag and not a real journalist
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Feb 6, 2024 18:50
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Xiahou Dun posted:I'm not disagreeing with you in the sense that I think he should be arrested (lol, no, wtf) but I almost did a spit take at calling Carlson a "journalist". drat I can't believe Roosevelt forced a journalist like Charles Coughlin off the air surely this is the end of the American free press 
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Feb 6, 2024 18:50
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:drat I can't believe Roosevelt forced a journalist like Charles Coughlin off the air surely this is the end of the American free press In general, when you have to pretend someone is making an entirely irrelevant point, it's not a good sign for your argument.
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Feb 6, 2024 18:54
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ranbo das posted:…Russia losing a boat to something CIWS should be effective against (a jetski with explosives on top) I agree with you in the broad strokes, but this is pretty definitively NOT what CIWS is for.
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Feb 6, 2024 18:57
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https://notes.citeam.org/dispatch-feb-2-5-2024 CIT updates are the main way I'm following what's going on now but I think this was an interesting thing I haven't seen before: https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1753848769508974613?t=g4Gh_S3QeT2bTM-g5FB70A I guess Ukrainians are able to find Lancets with hand held frequency analyzers? Neat. It does feel like Ukrainians are going to be losing significant ground this year due to issues of ammo resupply though.
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Feb 6, 2024 19:06
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mawarannahr posted:The biggest harm of arresting a journalist would probably be to the US itself, which has already dropped three points last year in the World Press Freedom Index. He's not a journalist. A journalist does things like "investigate" and "interview" and "not make things up out of whole cloth because they want them to be true". I recognize it's a slippery slope, but negotiating with a foreign power on behalf of the United States without being authorized to do so is actually a crime, and should be treated as such. The ironic thing about Fox News is that it's actual news desk wasn't that terrible. They had an excellent polling team for many years, did a decent amount of investigative journalism, etc. The problem is they kept pushing it later and later at night. The "evening news" started at 10pm as of a few years ago, in favor of people just making poo poo up like Tucker Carlson and his ilk. Making poo poo up is not journalism, and should not have the same protections. At best, it's proselytizing, and should enjoy the privileges--and restrictions--of any preacher. the holy poopacy posted:If the assertion is "the battlefield is too saturated with Russian anti-air and no fighter on the planet is going to be able to provide enough SEAD capability to make a difference", that still remains to be proven but seems like a reasonable enough bet. The main reason F-16 is promising is because Ukraine needs more planes and more missiles period, regardless of whatever theoretical new capabilities it might bring. I'm unconvinced that US airpower couldn't penetrate Russian air defenses. They're certainly better than those of Iraq in 1991 (and, we shouldn't forget, Iraq had top-of-the-line Soviet air defenses with all the good stuff in 1991), but Russia clearly learned from that war. They don't seem to have the same centralized air defense command and control which made the Iraqi air defenses so vulnerable, but they suffer a lot of friendly fire as a result. Modern Russian radars are apparently quite good, and you'd think they could detect an F-35 easily, but they're sure as hell having trouble with Storm Shadows. In addition to the West, China is getting a view of both Russian equipment--on which much of its older equipment was derived--and modern Western kit. I'd be curious how far modern Chinese equipment is from its now-distant Soviet ancestors. Ynglaur fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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Feb 6, 2024 19:06
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Xiahou Dun posted:In general, when you have to pretend someone is making an entirely irrelevant point, it's not a good sign for your argument. I was being a bit sarcastic but I don't think it's entirely irrelevant. My comparison was more around that neither were/are journalists as much as far right racist agitators and while arresting Carlson might be a bit much it's a bit weird to be hand wringing about him being disrupted (as in the original you quoted post seemed to be) being a blow to real press freedom any more than it would be getting upset that the US government stopped Coughlin from broadcasting his bullshit back in the late 30s.
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Feb 6, 2024 19:15
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Why is the thread getting riled up by a 2-day old account making outlandish claims about their credentials?
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Feb 6, 2024 19:26
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:I was being a bit sarcastic but I don't think it's entirely irrelevant. Ah, sorry, I think I misread your intent pretty wildly there.
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Feb 6, 2024 19:30
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Quixzlizx posted:Why is the thread getting riled up by a 2-day old account making outlandish claims about their credentials? Stolen valour from those of us with uncles who work at Nintendo.
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Feb 6, 2024 19:34
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On a project like the F-35 there were literally tens of thousands of engineers, with teams of people working on individual parts like a bracket for the landing gear and so on. "I was an engineer on the project" is absolutely the most meaningless poo poo ever.
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Feb 6, 2024 19:36
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Quixzlizx posted:Why is the thread getting riled up by a 2-day old account making outlandish claims about their credentials? I'll admit, I rarely look at regdates.
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Feb 6, 2024 19:39
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Ynglaur posted:I'll admit, I rarely look at regdates. There's no point. Anyone registering here in tyool 2024 has registered here previously, probably more than once.
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Feb 6, 2024 19:49
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F-35 is actually a financial success despite painful development because they made a shitload of them. That's basically a given with modern military stuff --- it's so expensive to design that if you aren't making like a thousand of them it's gonna be way too expensive per unit. (See also SLS for a civilian example in the other direction)
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