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It started slow and awkward and is pretty divergent from previous installments of True Detective. But the show still leads with a supertitle of True Detective so it messes with people's expectations, especially those that desperately want to recapture the zeitgeist of the first season. I feel like the latest episode kind of let the show find itself in its own theming and style, and it's turning out alright, quite watchable.
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AcidCat posted:Yeah I don't quite get the negativity around the show but to each their own of course. I'm liking it. Probably won't be in my top shows for the year but it's way better than just "something to fill the time" TV.   I have only one other current tv show I am watching right now and yall doom posting the decent shows is a bummer.
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Feb 6, 2024 17:55
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my bony fealty posted:it's schlocky lovely tv to watch for fun while hanging out with your friends/family/posting pals, not everything has to be high art, people like watching lovely tv! Yeah but it's been marketed as high art or close as far as tv's concerned, between the True Detective naming, how it's directed and the cast they chose. Jodie Foster as lead doesn't exactly screams "lovely tv I can enjoy with my friends while eating mozzarella sticks and texting". The show has failed on almost all fronts and it's really hard to take it seriously now, with only 2 episodes left. It's still not unpleasant tv because of the level of production and the cast they're working with, but some moments are really grating. For example, I would really like the director to keep sad loving pop songs to herself instead of playing them during a suicide scene like you would in a teen show.
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Feb 6, 2024 18:21
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Yeah all the hype about "TRUE DETECTIVE IS BACK, BABY!" and pre-air comparisons to season 1 really created high expectations that the show didn't come anywhere near
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Feb 6, 2024 18:25
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fullroundaction posted:When they inevitably get to the cave Annie K’s ghost is going to lead them to the Source of all of this. Then Danvers will have to Believe, right? But she won’t fully, because True Detective. She's the Marty Hart in this scenario, not the Rust Cohle.
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Feb 6, 2024 18:26
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Deadite posted:Yeah all the hype about "TRUE DETECTIVE IS BACK, BABY!" and pre-air comparisons to season 1 really created high expectations that the show didn't come anywhere near That might be why the show is landing much better for me. I missed all of that hype and ended up stumbling into season 4 while bingewatching the previous 3.
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Feb 6, 2024 18:30
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It kind of feels like misery porn at this point with nothing good happening to any of the characters.
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Feb 6, 2024 18:35
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I'm sure there'll be some positive developments in the next 2 episodes. Maybe a rocket launcher fight with a Wendigo or two. Don't lose hope!
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Feb 6, 2024 18:37
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Kawabata posted:Yeah but it's been marketed as high art or close as far as tv's concerned, between the True Detective naming, how it's directed and the cast they chose. Jodie Foster as lead doesn't exactly screams "lovely tv I can enjoy with my friends while eating mozzarella sticks and texting". Oh yeah it's very disappointing in that sense, True Detective is a failed franchise doomed chasing a high of a near-perfect first season. I hope this season is what kills the brand once and for all. Spot on with the teen show, the whole thing feels like YA, been saying that from the beginning. It's designed for an audience with no attention span and brains that aren't fully developed. Show would have been better if it was left as Night Country but then no one would be watching it or have heard of it, myself included.
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Feb 6, 2024 18:47
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I'm still trying to somewhat suspend judgment until the end but I'm having more and more trouble imagining the ending being good I still haven't watched the most recent episode and I'm thinking about just waiting to hear people's reaction to the ending before I spend more time watching the show right now
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Feb 6, 2024 18:54
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I wonder if some hbo guy wanted the Outsider to be released as a True Detective season.
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Feb 6, 2024 18:59
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honestly if HBO turned The Outsider into an anthology and made Night Country season 2 I'd be a lot more forgiving of the season so far It still wouldn't be as good as season one but the overt supernatural stuff would fit a lot better
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Feb 6, 2024 19:03
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the writers of s1 thought the nonsense coming out of Cohle's mouth was cool+real as hell.
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I don't think this started out as anything other than a True Detective show. It's very much onbrand for the series. Characters hallucinating has been a thing since the beginning, so the silly ghost stuff isn't anything new. And there's no way it's going to be actual ghosts, the killer is gonna be a blend of mental trauma and country bumpkin just like season 1. It's that season 1 feeling they've been trying to recapture (poorly) this entire season. If this started off as a different show then they were right to rename it since it's very obviously a season 1 rebrand attempt. It's just not a very well written show, there's no need to make up excuses as to why.
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Robobot posted:I don't think this started out as anything other than a True Detective show. It's very much onbrand for the series. Characters hallucinating has been a thing since the beginning, so the silly ghost stuff isn't anything new. And there's no way it's going to be actual ghosts, the killer is gonna be a blend of mental trauma and country bumpkin just like season 1. It's that season 1 feeling they've been trying to recapture (poorly) this entire season. If this started off as a different show then they were right to rename it since it's very obviously a season 1 rebrand attempt. We're not talking about speculation and what people think. It's been confirmed by the showrunner for this season that it was pitched as a stand alone and whatever connections were added after the fact to fit what hbo wanted https://ew.com/true-detective-night-country-silence-of-the-lambs-nods-chilling-new-season-8416223 quote:One thing López didn't want to be compared to, at least at first, was to the first three seasons of True Detective. But, that's because when she envisioned the project originally, it had nothing to do with the show. López says she initially pitched an idea for a project called Night Country, which she describes as "a murder mystery in the ice," and it was HBO who suggested it could be True Detective instead — an idea she says never even crossed her mind. Once the two parties agreed, Night Country became True Detective: Night Country, and López had the unenviable task of "recalling what connected so powerfully with so many people around the world, but at the same time, doing it in your own voice and making it your own." I still think that this season is fine, but not great. But I also think that it would have been received very differently if it was thought of as "the show from the person who did the tigers are not afraid" as opposed to "true detective, season 4"
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Cranappleberry posted:the writers of s1 thought the nonsense coming out of Cohle's mouth was cool+real as hell. lol it's just recycled stuff from Thomas Ligotti, the type of writing that appeals very much to teenage to early 20s boys Ligotti is a good fiction writer don't get me wrong
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Feb 6, 2024 20:21
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Seldom Posts posted:The recurring bit in this thread where goons can't understand basic plot points or symbolism or retain simple information about the characters, and then use that as a basis to criticize the show is pretty hilarious. Welcome to TVIV! The same people who complain that the show runners tell instead of showing will also miss blatantly obvious symbolism/info!
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Feb 6, 2024 20:24
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what does the lovely looking polar bear symbolize
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Seldom Posts posted:The recurring bit in this thread where goons can't understand basic plot points or symbolism or retain simple information about the characters, and then use that as a basis to criticize the show is pretty hilarious.
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Feb 6, 2024 20:39
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Cranappleberry posted:the writers of s1 thought the nonsense coming out of Cohle's mouth was cool+real as hell. I agreed pretty much with everything Cohle said, I just have the sense to never say that to anyone outside of an internet message board.
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Feb 6, 2024 20:48
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HermitSupplier posted:
Sure but the low effort "show bad" posts are tiresome. I think it's generally accepted that if you're posting in a thread about a show, that means you should be willing to expend some energy, time, and effort. If all you can summon is "show bad" then maybe just do something else? Criticism of the show is fine, and good actually. Just random bitching about it? Pretty boring stuff.
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Feb 6, 2024 20:49
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Rustin Cohle is a hero and every thing that left his mouth is/was genious* *- I haven’t seen the show in 10 years.
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Feb 6, 2024 20:52
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TheBizzness posted:Rustin Cohle is a hero and every thing that left his mouth is/was genious* I just rewatched it and it holds up. It was an especially brutal rewatch as someone that has a kid now 
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Rustin's dreary intellectualism was interesting, but it worked so well because of Marty's constant bewilderment. He called out out how pretentious it was, and showed an accurate reflection of how most people would receive those worldviews. The "scented meats?" response will always be hilarious.
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DarkLich posted:Rustin's dreary intellectualism was interesting, but it worked so well because of Marty's constant bewilderment. He called out out how pretentious it was, and showed an accurate reflection of how most people would receive those worldviews. And Rust was there to balance out Marty’s lack of introspection and unwillingness to look beyond himself. Perfect cop show dynamic. They both represent the two extremes. What happens when you don’t think at all versus what happens when all you do is think. The_Rob fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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Even season 1 had an episode where nothing happened (6-7 whichever had the boat) and had less ambition in its final episode than the average x-files episode (ooo scary guy in forest). I dont get where these "near perfection" takes come from. Bludgeoning season 4 with the supposed sanctity of season 1 is something to do I guess.
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Despera posted:Even season 1 had an episode where nothing happened (6-7 whichever had the boat) and had less ambition in its final episode than the average x-files episode (ooo scary guy in forest). I dont get where these "near perfection" takes come from. Bludgeoning season 4 with the supposed sanctity of season 1 is something to do I guess. I mean season 4 should attempt at least one good episode
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Despera posted:Even season 1 had an episode where nothing happened (6-7 whichever had the boat) and had less ambition in its final episode than the average x-files episode (ooo scary guy in forest). I dont get where these "near perfection" takes come from. Bludgeoning season 4 with the supposed sanctity of season 1 is something to do I guess. Its coming from people with taste, friend.
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Despera posted:Even season 1 had an episode where nothing happened (6-7 whichever had the boat) and had less ambition in its final episode than the average x-files episode (ooo scary guy in forest). I dont get where these "near perfection" takes come from. Bludgeoning season 4 with the supposed sanctity of season 1 is something to do I guess. Eh, there are shades of nothing. For instance, this season could do with a good bit more outlandish and absurd nothing like 'here's a ridiculous silent but fearsomely loyal bartender/sniper ally out of nowhere' and a good deal less 'all right, guess it's time to go talk to Qavvik again to laboriously collect another clue'
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Feb 6, 2024 22:18
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TheBizzness posted:Its coming from people with taste, friend. I suppose your taste is better than theirs https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/true_detective/s04
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my bony fealty posted:what does the lovely looking polar bear symbolize Danvers' dead child's toy - which has been obvious for a while imo (they both have that missing eye for starts)
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Ok, well if people want specific criticisms, I'll start with these. I feel like the plot surrounding Navarro is very well thought out at a basic level and is developing nicely. The slow reveal of a woman disconnected from the culture she was born from, seeing the disenfranchisement, alcoholism, mental illness, and abuse and feeling frustrated and powerless to do anything about it, all against the more personal story of her own sister's decline is very good. In execution* it's not been great, but there's plenty of meat there to work with. Danvers's and Prior's stories, on the other hand, are completely one-note and underdeveloped, and we literally see the same thing every episode with them. Danvers's daughter attempts to exert some autonomy, and Danvers curses her out and then fails to parent. Then it's back to Pete and his awkward exchanges with his nurse wife who should understand that some jobs put you on call at weird times. Now we're back to Danvers, she is off to gently caress Dr. Who, but will leave the motel in a huff because he said something to piss her off. This same thing has been happening in some form with those characters without any movement forward and we're more than half through the season. *Even the good plot lines are hampered by bad tropes and huge logical inconsistencies, however. There is not a voluntary commitment mental health place in the USA that lets people walk right out in less than 12 hours without contacting family and keeping them held there. The Coast Guard also found her body super quick and apparently IDed a nude Jane Doe and found her next of kin in the span of like 3.5 hours. A much smoother way to handle the suicide would of had Navarro drop off her sister at home and let her know she'd be back to see her later in the evening. Then she's driving with Pete and calls her to check on her and let her know she'll be a bit late, but her sister is already at the boat and strips down after hanging up. Then her body is found by the same search party of police that are already out there, and since they're locals they recognize her and call Navarro. It gives the same plot beats, but keeps the story local without needing to make weird logical leaps. It's just one example of how less than stellar the writing has been.
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Sickening posted:
I think it's totally realistic that people hate watch a show they used to like because it's fun to hate on things. Same reason people doom scroll. I think it's also totally realistic that a lot of people would watch a show full of unrelenting assholes and weak development of the plot and not like it. The why do people hate this show?? posts are as bad as the I hate this show but I'm still watching it posts. Wanting to surround shows with constant praise is tiresome. People are allowed to dislike things and still continue to watch them just how people are allowed to like things that are bad but popular.
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Despera posted:I suppose your taste is better than theirs I was referring to this nearly perfect score, actually https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/true_detective/s01
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Despera posted:I suppose your taste is better than theirs Posting the rotten tomatoes score means less than nothing lmao.
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Reviewers get more work when they positively review things in the same way that Beanie Baby magazines that said all of them were worth a lot sold more than ones that didn't. There's also the issue where Rotten Tomatoes has no nuance in their scoring. Someone can say the show is alright but has a lot of problems and still give it the equivalent score of a glowing praise blurb. Like this review right here: 
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I'll say something positive about the show: Christopher Eccleston's American accent has gotten a lot better since The Leftovers
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joepinetree posted:We're not talking about speculation and what people think. Oof, well I can't speak to the quality of the original piece she had presented but what we got isn't very good and it being a retread of season one just cold instead of hot hasn't really worked. Say what you will about season 1, but its characters were way more memorable than this season's characters. And that includes a really silly "green eared spaghetti monster" killer being revealed as a bit character given literally 10 seconds of screen time before the final episode. Maybe it'll turn completely around in the next two episodes and stick the landing.
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TheBizzness posted:I was referring to this nearly perfect score, actually I dunno is 93 higher than 91 The_Rob posted:
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