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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They have other studies and their annual safety stats include pedestrian deaths. It's just that in a study about seatbelt efficacy, you are by definition not including pedestrians because they have no seatbelts. Well, now that we've identified the problem, it's just a matter of getting an executive mandate that all future pedestrians being produced have seatbelts installed.
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Eric Cantonese posted:How much of that is due to Americans buying more SUVs? It's not like European cars are much lighter if you compare models like-for-like. Some models are different even if they're called the same (Passat, Accord for example used to be completely different cars). But mostly we just buy different things. This is the top selling vehicle in France and the US:  The Lord of Hats posted:Well, now that we've identified the problem, it's just a matter of getting an executive mandate that all future pedestrians being produced have seatbelts installed. Just have everyone wear airbags 
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They have other studies and their annual safety stats include pedestrian deaths. It's just that in a study about seatbelt efficacy, you are by definition not including pedestrians because they have no seatbelts. They produce other studies but I think OP is pointing towards the fact that their overall safety rating composite is entirely about the risks to you as an occupant of that car. At least the euro NCAP ratings factor in other road users to an extent.
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I’m in the process of buying a 2024 Civic, and just out of curiosity the other day I compared it size wise to a 1994 Civic and Accord. In those 30 years the Civic basically increased in size enough to go from the 1994 Civic to the 1994 Accord, and I’m sure the Accord has done the same in turn. Most newer cars are just big now even if you want a “compact”.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Republican voters don't even perceive of politics in terms of policy at all. It's team allegiances, emotional loyalty, and totemic causes You're absolutely correct, but this is also the Democrats as well. It's a frustrating, neverending team sport.
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A jury in Michigan, for the first time in American history, held the parent of a minor mass shooter criminally liable for her son's mass shooting. She was convicted on 4 counts of involuntary manslaughter. Since it is hard to keep track of all the mass shootings over the last few years, this was a school shooting where the mother was found to: - Have given her son the gun. - Texted her son to do a better job hiding bullets after he was caught with them in school and got in trouble. - Let her son keep the semi-automatic handgun she bought him unlocked in his room. - Covered for her son when he was caught multiple times making threats to shoot up the school and writing out his plans in notebooks. - Let her son bring the gun to school, but told him not to take it out or get caught with it. She says that she never believed that her son was capable of mass murder, so all of her actions were done within that context and she wasn't responsible for his actions. The prosecution alleged that her level of negligence was so high that it qualified for involuntary manslaughter and the jury agreed. https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1754938615430308115 quote:Jennifer Crumbley, mother of Ethan Crumbley, found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in son’s school shooting https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jennifer-crumbley-trial-verdict-rcna136937 Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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The craziest thing about that, among many, many crazy things, is that both parents were called into the school on the day of the shooting about their son's school shooter behavior and they didn't care.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:A jury in Michigan, for the first time in American history, held the parent of a minor mass shooter criminally liable for her son's mass shooting. "How could I have known except for all these neon red flags thrown up." This list of steps she took is nearly comical with how perfectly crafted it is to push this into negligence. I'd say this is a pretty unlikely thing to repeat just because most parents aren't so heinously stupid in the lead up like this. God the pull quote is loving crazy too. Just no self reflection at all in this woman.
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FistEnergy posted:You're absolutely correct, but this is also the Democrats as well. It's a frustrating, neverending team sport. Bullshit, this is not a loving both sides thing and pretending that it is is pure right-wing rhetoric.
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With Jennifer Crumbley tried and solidly convicted, it is time to prosecute gang support networks in their totality.
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FistEnergy posted:You're absolutely correct, but this is also the Democrats as well. It's a frustrating, neverending team sport. Skex posted:Bullshit, this is not a loving both sides thing and pretending that it is is pure right-wing rhetoric. FistEnergy is correct that a large chunk of Democrats absolutely view politics as a team sport rather than about the specifics of public policy because most people don't know many specifics about public policy and take their cues from leaders they trust. This is extremely clear from public polling and human behavior in general. I think he is wrong in comparing the current situation. The Republicans getting most of their border demands attached to a broader spending bill, having nearly every elected official turn around and oppose their own bill because Trump wanted to keep the issue alive for the election, and 3/4 of Republican voters approving despite spending years saying that border security was of cataclysmic importance is actually unprecedented. It would be like if after they spent 2 years negotiating Obamacare, then Obama announced that he wanted to keep healthcare as an issue for the next election, hundreds of elected Democrats all swapped and voted down the Obamacare bill, and registered Democrats went from 90% in support to 80% opposed to government subsidized healthcare in 72 hours. It is pretty much unprecedented for every elected official and nearly every voter in a national political party to swap positions on an issue that they have rated their #1 most important issue for years in less than 3 days because one person said to. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:A jury in Michigan, for the first time in American history, held the parent of a minor mass shooter criminally liable for her son's mass shooting. I read the Columbine book a while ago and it didn't seem like the parents could've been reasonably expected to see the massacre coming. Unless they like searched everything and found the tapes and diaries. I wonder if this is more common rather than the clearly negligent assholes like here.
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mobby_6kl posted:Is this the first time the parents have been prosecuted? It's not the first time parents have ever been prosecuted, but it is extremely rare. I can only remember one case from a few years ago when a women was found guilty and put on probation because she didn't take her mentally ill son's guns away after he was convicted of a crime and went on to shoot up his school (nobody died). There's probably a couple others in history, but it is extremely rare to be prosecuted and they have never successfully done it until today.
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mobby_6kl posted:Is this the first time the parents have been prosecuted? Here's an article from when they were charged. It seems like one parent once was prosecuted for child neglect and one or two others might've gotten hit with illegal guns charges but that's not directly related to the shooting per se. This seems to be the first prosecution of a homicide crime against parents of a shooter for sure. E: the one I'm talking about is the one Leon mentioned
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Kagrenak posted:Here's an article from when they were charged. It seems like one parent once was prosecuted for child neglect and one or two others might've gotten hit with illegal guns charges but that's not directly related to the shooting per se. This seems to be the first prosecution of a homicide crime against parents of a shooter for sure. Thank you for the article. That was the case I was thinking of. I had it slightly off, though. He threatened to shoot up his school, but wasn't actually convicted of a crime before he later shot up the school. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:FistEnergy is correct that a large chunk of Democrats absolutely view politics as a team sport rather than about the specifics of public policy because most people don't know many specifics about public policy and take their cues from leaders they trust. This is extremely clear from public polling and human behavior in general. It in fact is extremely precedented, didn't this happen in 2013 with the gang of 8 immigration deal that Boehner refused to bring up for a vote in the house people there was enough bipartisan support to pass it and Republicans didn't want to give Obama a win (and take away a big argument about Obama's crisis) before a midterm election
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The Glumslinger posted:It in fact is extremely precedented, didn't this happen in 2013 with the gang of 8 immigration deal that Boehner refused to bring up for a vote in the house people there was enough bipartisan support to pass it and Republicans didn't want to give Obama a win (and take away a big argument about Obama's crisis) before a midterm election The Gang of 8 bill was failing because a chunk of Republicans (and Democrats) opposed it from the start. The fact that there was bipartisan support to pass it was the problem. The equivalent would be if every member of the Gang of 8 denounced their own ideas and then voted it down because Mitt Romney called on them to do it and then 3/4 of Republican voters across the country who had been saying immigration was their #1 issue for two years changed their mind to say, "Nah, it can wait another year. It's good that the policies I supported aren't being passed now."
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I don't think we're at the breaking dawn of a new day where parents of school shooters are convicted on the regular, because most people when their child texts them saying they're hearing voices and that the demon in the kitchen is throwing bowls around would probably not text back saying "suck it up" and then continue to let them have an unsecured gun and ammunition in their bedroom.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:FistEnergy is correct that a large chunk of Democrats absolutely view politics as a team sport rather than about the specifics of public policy because most people don't know many specifics about public policy and take their cues from leaders they trust. This is extremely clear from public polling and human behavior in general. But they haven't shifted on the issue. They simply prefer to win the election as a higher priority.
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bird food bathtub posted:I don't think we're at the breaking dawn of a new day where parents of school shooters are convicted on the regular, because most people when their child texts them saying they're hearing voices and that the demon in the kitchen is throwing bowls around would probably not text back saying "suck it up" and then continue to let them have an unsecured gun and ammunition in their bedroom. I agree that it is almost never going to really happen again, but it is still pretty striking. Despite her (and her husband's) repeated and wild negligence, she is probably correct that basically no mother assumes that their kid is going to become a mass murderer and acts with that information in mind. It is extremely rare to hold parents criminally responsible for almost anything their minor child does, let alone multiple manslaughter charges that can carry a prison sentence of up to 15 years.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I agree that it is almost never going to really happen again, but it is still pretty striking. There's a big loving difference between "assuming one's kid becomes a school shooter" and "repeatedly ignores all red flags to the point of giving him a gun and advice to hide the bullets better". If mental healthcare wasn't stigmatized in this country this kid might have been able to get some help before he ended up shooting people, but we're not going to know that because his parents failed him. And until the majority of parents aren't weighted down by Reagan-era demonization of mental health and mental illness, there is only a matter of time before this happens again.
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Frankly hoping that more rulings like this come down, I'm only half-joking when I say the shooter and the last person to own a shooter's weapon should be charged with the same crime.
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Angry_Ed posted:There's a big loving difference between "assuming one's kid becomes a school shooter" and "repeatedly ignores all red flags to the point of giving him a gun and advice to hide the bullets better". Right. I agree with the decision. I am just saying that it was literally unprecedented for a reason and it wasn't totally clear from the start that this would be the outcome. Her attorney's argument that we almost never hold parents (criminally) accountable for the violence of their children in other situations isn't incorrect.
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Angry_Ed posted:And yet somehow the citizens of the US and their goldfish memory think Trump/Republicans are better on the economy. It's not that they think this, it's that they are liars who don't give a poo poo about what's true. Polling Americans on issues like this is pointless because at least half the country are 0% trustworthy pieces of poo poo.
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Pennsylvania's Governor is calling on the state to legalize marijuana. The new Democratic House will start drafting a bill, but they only have a 1-vote majority. The Republicans have a 6-vote majority in the state Senate. It's not clear how many Republicans would be willing to support legalization (or if there are any specifics re: taxes or regulations that disagreements between pro-legalization Democrats or Republicans could end up killing any potential bill), so it isn't a sure thing. If Pennsylvania does legalize it, that would make it the 25th state and recreational marijuana would then be legal in half the states. https://twitter.com/GovernorShapiro/status/1754935387816935752 Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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They delayed the supplemental bill for 4 months because Republicans demanded that border security provisions be attached to it or they wouldn't bring it up for a vote. Now, they are demanding they bring the supplemental bill up for a vote without the border security provisions they demanded 4 months ago. One of the provisions in the bill was an increase in LIHEAP funding for the 2023 winter, so I wonder if that is still in there. https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1754954690087780530
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It's amusing that this is the 2nd Dem president in a row where Republicans have saved the country from a lovely bill.
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The border deal was real real bad but the outcome of the very same politicians who have been demanding a solution to the border crisis turning around and killing it for electoral advantage is such a good outcome for the Democratic Party. Pretty risky to put that out there given it could've been passed, but I guess you never bet against GOP intransigence. It seems almost too conspiratorial to say this was an intentional tactic, I don't think it was, I think the Dems are just scared of immigration since Americans (oh and every other nation in the world) are so insanely reactionary about it. But if it was the plan, it was quite a coup. I mean you got the head of the CBP union on Fox saying the GOP is lying about what's in the bill, you got Fox anchors directly contradicting Nancy Mace on the provisions of the bill. https://twitter.com/highbrow_nobrow/status/1754610585923101070 https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1754866298457059572 Doocey is pushing back! Doocey!!! Furthermore, Plan B is now to pass a clean foreign aid package - which is what the Dems wanted in the first place zoux fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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koolkal posted:It's amusing that this is the 2nd Dem president in a row where Republicans have saved the country from a lovely bill. It's bonkers that Republicans have basically had some of the major policy goals they have been pursuing for decades handed to them on a silver platter, but lost everything because they were bundled with a few things Democrats wanted. And even more bonkers that it happened again 10 years later. If you are someone who prefers Republican public policy, then it must be infuriating that they refuse to take the win.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They delayed the supplemental bill for 4 months because Republicans demanded that border security provisions be attached to it or they wouldn't bring it up for a vote. Just incredible that they managed to tie themselves into this knot.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:It's not that they think this, it's that they are liars who don't give a poo poo about what's true. Polling Americans on issues like this is pointless because at least half the country are 0% trustworthy pieces of poo poo. They aren't even liars. They're living an emotional truth that has no necessary congruence with actual fact. Republicans are good for the economy like immigration is bad for the economy: two precepts that have been repeatedly disproved again and again for decades but that nevertheless feel true to republican voters. They believe this stuff they way they believe Jesus loves capitalism. It has nothing to do with truth or falsehood. Completely orthogonal. Non intersecting.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's bonkers that Republicans have basically had some of the major policy goals they have been pursuing for decades handed to them on a silver platter, but lost everything because they were bundled with a few things Democrats wanted. No, no, this isn't the same thing. They're rejecting the thing they wanted and asking to pass only the additional things the Democrats wanted instead, without the things they wanted. It's even more bonkers than you're saying.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:A jury in Michigan, for the first time in American history, held the parent of a minor mass shooter criminally liable for her son's mass shooting. they also took all their kids money out of his account when they ran from the cops because "well guess he wont need it", I dont know much about the dad but the mom seems like she was too busy with her own personal drama like carrying on an affair with a fire fighter then actually seeing what was wrong with her kid. sadly their are cases where the parents do clearly give a gently caress and try to get the help for the kid but the system fails or they fall between the cracks. the big one i remember being like that was the fedex shooting a couple years ago, which people only remember if at all, because the shooter was a brony zoux posted:The border deal was real real bad but the outcome of the very same politicians who have been demanding a solution to the border crisis turning around and killing it for electoral advantage is such a good outcome for the Democratic Party. Pretty risky to put that out there given it could've been passed, but I guess you never bet against GOP intransigence. Yeah, i think the bill sucked but it could have been way way way worse and i am glad the GOP is too insane to play the game now. anyway, i think plan b gets passed and either narroly passes or dies in the house.
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mobby_6kl posted:... that reminds me of some scifi ish concept drawing of what if humans evolved with cars, and yeah we would be flesh golems
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The Lord of Hats posted:No, no, this isn't the same thing. I don't know if they are planning on including everything that was in the original supplemental bill from October, but there was flood relief for New York/Florida and some other things that Republicans supported as well. But, yes, they are now pretty much demanding that they pass a bill that Democrats originally wanted to pass and will only vote for it if they remove the parts they originally demanded be added.
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This is what was in the original October version of the supplemental bill:quote:- Humanitarian and military aid for Ukraine. It's not clear from their public statements whether they are including all of that or just the foreign aid packages. Some of it, like LIHEAP funding for winter, doesn't make much sense now if it won't be available until April.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Yeah, i think the bill sucked but it could have been way way way worse and i am glad the GOP is too insane to play the game now. I will say I have zero faith in the American electorate to acknowledge what's going on and punish the GOP for their obvious bad faith dealing. I imagine by April Fox will be full-throated "Bad bill! Good kill!"
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zoux posted:I will say I have zero faith in the American electorate to acknowledge what's going on and punish the GOP for their obvious bad faith dealing. I imagine by April Fox will be full-throated "Bad bill! Good kill!" i mean the chuds won't obviously, but moderates who arnt fox types will probably get annoyed about it, to them its less "oh they have no dignity sir" and more "i thought this was a crisis and you were gonna pass something, why do you assholes do you jobs" type anger/annoyance.
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koolkal posted:It's amusing that this is the 2nd Dem president in a row where Republicans have saved the country from a lovely bill. Right. I completely agree. It's surreal. https://x.com/PhilipWegmann/status/1754933040491483364?s=20 What part of this is supposed to convince me to support the Democrats? The part where they stump and whip for a right-wing bill full of border hysteria/racism and billions more for an Israeli regime dedicated to genocide and oppression? Or the part where they get outsmarted and outmaneuvered by the GOP yet again?
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