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Jan 30, 2024 21:12
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I love the running gag with Stark constantly befriending villagers and doing little quests for them and receiving unsolicited advice from wizened, mysterious battle masters. I just re-read up to the end of the mage exam arc due to where we are in the show so the timing on this is great.
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Jan 30, 2024 21:21
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One day, Frieren will be able to give Stark her gift. One day.
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Jan 30, 2024 22:01
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Probably when he turns 70.
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Jan 30, 2024 22:03
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usenet celeb 1992 posted:I love the running gag with Stark constantly befriending villagers and doing little quests for them and receiving unsolicited advice from wizened, mysterious battle masters. Especially with how he never knows who the old dude was and just goes along with it. This chapter was nice. Feels good to hang out with the gang so much again.
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Jan 30, 2024 22:06
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i just caught up to the manga from where the anime left off. first time i've binged a series in a loooong time, legit read all the chapters over like 2 days. i am so so so so interested in the hero of the south and the seeing the future magic. the moment where schlat talks to frieren by talking to macht was loving INTERESTING.
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Jan 30, 2024 22:35
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Darth TNT posted:Especially with how he never knows who the old dude was and just goes along with it. He probably figures this is just what life is for a vanguard, or literally anybody. "Doesn't this happen to everyone?" I just realized he's low-key collecting Ancient Warrior Wisdom the way Frieren collects grimoires, only without really intending to.
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Jan 30, 2024 23:28
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Dudes rock
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Jan 30, 2024 23:46
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Stark never met Himmel and yet he embodies his philosophy so well.
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Jan 31, 2024 00:56
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Himmel - confidence = Stark And speaking of rereads, I'm becoming increasingly convinced that Kraft's partner was Ewig the sage. The series is very good about setup and payoff, so far Ewig is the only name that could possibly fit him. Makes it interesting that his name means eternal, is the only human sage and had magic that could control demons.
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Jan 31, 2024 03:07
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I feel like I'm starting to see Stark and Fern's physical growth reflected in their character designs.
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Jan 31, 2024 03:48
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i love Metal Gear Fern "no, i can't give him a gift where others can see! this is a sneaking mission!"
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Jan 31, 2024 05:00
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Rand Brittain posted:I feel like I'm starting to see Stark and Fern's physical growth reflected in their character designs.
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Jan 31, 2024 11:42
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Chapter 124 Oh drat Stark got folded.
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Feb 6, 2024 23:50
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Well I already had a lot of questions about the empire but now even more so.
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Feb 7, 2024 00:12
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 Very unexpected plot development but I'm here for it.
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Feb 7, 2024 00:12
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I appreciate how much of a threat high-level warriors are in this setting
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Feb 7, 2024 00:12
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Well then!
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Feb 7, 2024 00:32
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this guy rocks
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Feb 7, 2024 00:36
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this guy needs a union
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Feb 7, 2024 00:45
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Rand Brittain posted:this guy needs a union The downside of being black ops is that no one has to allocate your unit a coffee budget.
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Feb 7, 2024 01:49
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Old men remain extremely powerful in Frieren
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Feb 7, 2024 02:00
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Now that's how you introduce a character. Also, lol at the double piggyback ride and "oh, there was a highway established 30 years ago".
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Feb 7, 2024 03:15
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Even in the original Japanese, he's named Radar instead of Funkmessgerät or Funkmessortungsgerät.
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Feb 7, 2024 06:03
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It wouldn’t surprise me if no one told the old man the mission ended years ago.
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Feb 7, 2024 07:47
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Darth TNT posted:It wouldn’t surprise me if no one told the old man the mission ended years ago. Considering he was given this village because it was one of the only routes into the empire and there's now a highway that bypasses it, this is very possible
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Feb 7, 2024 07:50
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VideoWitch posted:Well I already had a lot of questions about the empire but now even more so. I wonder if Himmel, Heiter and Eisen were on the list too, or if it was just Frieren.
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Feb 7, 2024 08:35
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golden bubble posted:Even in the original Japanese, he's named Radar instead of Funkmessgerät or Funkmessortungsgerät. Part of the origin of radar is German physicist Henreich Hertz's work with electromagnetism. So, German by proxy. Darth TNT posted:It wouldn’t surprise me if no one told the old man the mission ended years ago. At the same time Serie is actively throttling humanity's magical progress, so I can see it being part of the explicitly human empire's ethos that elves, particularly ones sticking their noses into magic, have got to go. Complete left field option is that the one giving out the order is Grausam. LostRook fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Feb 7, 2024 |
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Feb 7, 2024 08:44
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LostRook posted:At the same time Serie is actively throttling humanity's magical progress, so I can see it being part of the explicitly human empire's ethos that elves, particularly ones sticking their noses into magic, have got to go. Um, is she? I never got even a hint of that. If anything, it's the opposite, considering the time she has been active and leading humanity's biggest magical organization is also the period of massive advancements in human magic, between Soul Track/Offensive Magic, Defensive Magic and Flight. She probably focuses on combat magic at the expense of the more practical, everyday spells that Frieren prefers, but that's hardly "throttling humanity's magical progress".
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Feb 7, 2024 09:22
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Lt. Lizard posted:Um, is she? I never got even a hint of that. If anything, it's the opposite, considering the time she has been active and leading humanity's biggest magical organization is also the period of massive advancements in human magic, between Soul Track/Offensive Magic, Defensive Magic and Flight. She probably focuses on combat magic at the expense of the more practical, everyday spells that Frieren prefers, but that's hardly "throttling humanity's magical progress". The test arc begins with it repeatedly being stated that there are fewer mages than during the time of the war against the demon king. It's not explicit but the part with Flamme's will that everyone learn magic, which Serie immediately tears up because she wants magic to be for the specials only is a clear throughline with the ideology the first class mages espouse and Serie coming to power 50 years prior.
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Feb 7, 2024 09:37
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LostRook posted:The test arc begins with it repeatedly being stated that there are fewer mages than during the time of the war against the demon king. It's not explicit but the part with Flamme's will that everyone learn magic, which Serie immediately tears up because she wants magic to be for the specials only is a clear throughline with the ideology the first class mages espouse and Serie coming to power 50 years prior. I thought the implication was there less mages than during the war because, well, demons killed them and the number has yet to rebound. Or that since it's a time of peace, nobody's bothering to learn stuff like offensive magic, the way that there are more people joining the army during a war.
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Feb 7, 2024 09:59
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TwoPair posted:I thought the implication was there less mages than during the war because, well, demons killed them and the number has yet to rebound. Or that since it's a time of peace, nobody's bothering to learn stuff like offensive magic, the way that there are more people joining the army during a war. Yeah that was my read, plus as much people passing as they did with Freiren’s exam was an anomaly so there’s probably just not a lot of people who even survive to the last phase usually.
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Feb 7, 2024 10:03
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Last Celebration posted:Yeah that was my read, plus as much people passing as they did with Freiren’s exam was an anomaly so there’s probably just not a lot of people who even survive to the last phase usually. Which goes back to Serie, the one responsible for the exams and their methodology, actively suppressing magic. The war with the demons lasted over 1000 years. The biggest change for mages in the last 50 years is the appearance of Serie. There is no reason that mages have to be warlike, excepting that the organization overseeing magic demands that they are, and holds the privilege up as a lure.
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Feb 7, 2024 10:09
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LostRook posted:The test arc begins with it repeatedly being stated that there are fewer mages than during the time of the war against the demon king. It's not explicit but the part with Flamme's will that everyone learn magic, which Serie immediately tears up because she wants magic to be for the specials only is a clear throughline with the ideology the first class mages espouse and Serie coming to power 50 years prior. That's the direct result of Himmel and co. defeating Demon King and establishing the "era of peace" and has nothing to do with Serie. Less people are learning combat magic and becoming "proper" mages, because there is less need to protect yourself from being eaten by demons. And the "proper" mages have less experience and less power, because they are thrust into deadly battles against demons and monsters less often.That is pretty explicitly a good thing that Frieien is happy about, because instead of learning combat spells, going out into the world and getting killed by someone like Macht or Aura, people stay at home, become a farmer and develop a spell to conserve peaches for a really long time in their spare time.
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Feb 7, 2024 10:25
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Lt. Lizard posted:That's the direct result of Himmel and co. defeating Demon King and establishing the "era of peace" and has nothing to do with Serie. Less people are learning combat magic and becoming "proper" mages, because there is less need to protect yourself from being eaten by demons. And the "proper" mages have less experience and less power, because they are thrust into deadly battles against demons and monsters less often.That is pretty explicitly a good thing that Frieien is happy about, because instead of learning combat spells, going out into the world and getting killed by someone like Macht or Aura, people stay at home, become a farmer and develop a spell to conserve peaches for a really long time in their spare time. The era of peace that has sequestered the entire north of the continent due to demons, caused Fern's entire town to be destroyed by war in the south, Stark's village was annihilated, Wirbel slaughtering child solders, Aura rampaging for 28 years and etcetera. There's plenty of text supporting Serie suppressing magic, I can't recall anything to suggest that Frieren is happy about there being less mages because they've all gone peaceful.
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Feb 7, 2024 10:33
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not buying it. fun idea though.
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Feb 7, 2024 11:20
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LostRook posted:The era of peace that has sequestered the entire north of the continent due to demons, caused Fern's entire town to be destroyed by war in the south, Stark's village was annihilated, Wirbel slaughtering child solders, Aura rampaging for 28 years and etcetera. There's plenty of text supporting Serie suppressing magic, I can't recall anything to suggest that Frieren is happy about there being less mages because they've all gone peaceful. Humanity lost two thirds of its territory during the war against demons. The entire pre-"Demon King defeat" part of Macht's flashback was just him slaughtering one town after another with impunity. Compared to that, the current era is an era of peace. And I repeat myself, but mankind's magic had made a massive progress in 80 years, to the point of having two major revolutions of the magic systems with Offensive/Defensive Magic and then with learning to fly. The whole point of Quall was to showcase that the magic was progressing so fast that a Demon who was almost invincible 80 years ago could now be easily defeated with basic spells. The constant advancement of human magic is one of the consistent themes in the story, so I really can't figure out how you got "Serie is suppressing the progress of mankind's magic" out of it.
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Feb 7, 2024 11:47
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golden bubble posted:Even in the original Japanese, he's named Radar instead of Funkmessgerät or Funkmessortungsgerät. No-one in Germany really calls a Radar anything but a Radar. We even sometimes call what a Radar operates with "Radarstrahlung" if we don't know any better. Radar as a German name fits perfectly into the theme.
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Feb 7, 2024 12:04
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Lt. Lizard posted:Humanity lost two thirds of its territory during the war against demons. The entire pre-"Demon King defeat" part of Macht's flashback was just him slaughtering one town after another with impunity. Compared to that, the current era is an era of peace. It's constant progress, but it's not massive progress. And in both cases Frieren was somewhere between directly involved to directly responsible. Hell, Solitar went so far to note that Zoltraak had the fatal weakness of being too simple and easy to recreate for humans. The point of Quall wasn't that humanity made a revolution in magical progress, but that 80 years is a long time for humans. Just because magic is progressing doesn't mean that it isn't being suppressed, there's a major difference between Flamme's ideal of a world where everyone wields magic and Serie's where it is held in the hands of the elite, and naturally the later is going to progress considerably slower than the former. It's not no progress, it's less progress than their ought to be and a reduction in the amount of mages. It's the sort of thing that will only get worse as time goes on.
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Feb 7, 2024 12:25
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Wait, are you going for "yes there is progress, a lot of progress even, but there could always be more progress and the reason there isn't is because Serie is actively throttling human innovation!  "?Lmao, I'm out.
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Feb 7, 2024 13:12
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