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Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

loquacius posted:

crab pot mentality

capital is rubbing its hands with glee at this post

"Uhhhh that is a fallacy" :actually:

Maybe if the crabs that escaped weren't telling the cook the pot wasn't warm enough the crabs in the pot wouldn't be so mad.

StealthArcher posted:

I have 0 satisfaction from 14 years of slowly wrecking my body for dogshit pay and 0 future. This sap rear end succ was always bull.

Your problem is poo poo pay and benefits. Not the labor.

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KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat

Paradoxish posted:

Also anyone who says they want to be a teacher but who doesn't just go do it is full of poo poo. Teaching is hard and it sucks and the barriers to entry are shockingly low for anyone who already has a college degree. Everyone who whines about how much they'd love to teach is doing a stupid humblebrag or trying to prove that they're a good person or some hosed up combination of the two.

Wife is entering Cert/Masters program through local university using state money to become a teacher. The current conditions to becoming a teacher are favorable, the year of course work in between residency hours is arduous, but like possible if you have American dream support network. I've read the 3 year roadmap and it seems fine both logistically and academically. It's kinda silly tho, because we are really hoping she gets accepted to local university where they know the local school districts for placement and the payment scheme will be slightly cash flow positive for the household.. She applied to NYU as a safety school, they accepted her as soon as the credit report cleared and the highschool diploma got id'd her as being from landed gentry. That school will not be household cash flow positive, but that's why it's a safety school.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

every public employees salary in all of pa is posted on the internet somewhere

Griz
May 21, 2001


Honest Thief posted:

an american friend who migrated to here was telling me to maybe try my luck in teaching or being a personal trainer, like wtf u talking about, there's teachers out of job now too lol and everyone who didnt get a job in a sports team is a pt or physeotherapist already

the teaching reality is diff here than in america but i assume teachers in america also have to move around a lot for the job

my sister was a music teacher at a college but quit to become a personal trainer because of adjunct bullshit and also to get out of Newark

https://twitter.com/BostonJerry/status/1754954903884017670

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

the rural low paying schools tho are “useful” for teachers Because they can easily start working at those in their early 20s and get the experience to move to a suburb school where they do the bulk of their years

rural schools constantly lose talented teachers and staff this way.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Panfilo posted:

It's also ironic how reactionaries think teachers have this insidious kind of influence on students and yet their blanket solution to academic problems is for a child's instructor to be an absolute despot in the classroom.

well you start watching the teachers by putting cameras in the classrooms that parents can livestream from their phones.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
The problem is the important jobs are thoughts as unimportant and the unimportant jobs are thought as important. Simple

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

The Biden Administration is making American's eat healthier than ever, and learn how to control portion sizes. Massive public health W.

Schmeichy
Apr 22, 2007

2spooky4u


Smellrose

Twerk from Home posted:

This is the real problem. We've worked really hard for generations now to turn schools into hell for both students and teachers.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Mr Hootington posted:

The problem is the important jobs are thoughts as unimportant and the unimportant jobs are thought as important. Simple

when i was 16 my dad told me the more money you get paid the less work you actually do and it's held true so far

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Mr Hootington posted:

The problem is the important jobs are thoughts as unimportant and the unimportant jobs are thought as important. Simple

This.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

when i was 16 my dad told me the more money you get paid the less work you actually do and it's held true so far

the only job that is not true for I think is professional athletes and surgeons

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Mr Hootington posted:

The problem is the important jobs are thoughts as unimportant and the unimportant jobs are thought as important. Simple

we put managers at the top of the org charts. this is incorrect. they should be at the very bottom, like a bucket that all poo poo flows down into.

Retromancer
Aug 21, 2007

Every time I see Goatse, I think of Maureen. That's the last thing I saw. Before I blacked out. The sight of that man's anus.

Have you all considered that teaching is the profession for those who can't do stuff? :smug:

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009
speaking of teach workers, looking at the tech youtube scene it's weird to see every tech influencer/youtubber reacting like the useless specialists got fired or over hiring is what lead to this and the good programmers will remain but i really doubt less than 70% of the audience of these youtubbers is a good programmer and ofc the solution they peddle is to get better than everyone else

also lol @ one saying that the years of getting office masseuses is over, mfer u had massages?! i really hosed up

Paradoxish posted:

I don't know where you are, but it's not super common in my experience for American teachers to move around much. Lots of schools are filled with lifers who have taught at the same high school or whatever for decades. I'm almost forty and probably half of my high school teachers who were under 40 when I was in school are still there today.

That said, I live in a state that pays teachers reasonably well so if you're not heading for administration then you sit your rear end down and wait patiently for your salary to crawl up to $70-80k/year.

here in portugal you might get allocated to a school in a small village because due to years of periphery migration there's barely any people left there or infrastructures since peopled moved to the urban centers

Source4Leko
Jul 25, 2007


Dinosaur Gum

loquacius posted:

crab pot mentality

capital is rubbing its hands with glee at this post

Look at how much me loving caring will change things

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Mr Hootington posted:

"Uhhhh that is a fallacy" :actually:

Maybe if the crabs that escaped weren't telling the cook the pot wasn't warm enough the crabs in the pot wouldn't be so mad.

lol that you're blaming the crabs for this

the cook loving knows he's not gonna cook any crabs if he doesn't turn up the heat and would do so regardless of whatever poo poo you're talking about here, both in and out of metaphor

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

when i was 16 my dad told me the more money you get paid the less work you actually do and it's held true so far

absolutely

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Source4Leko posted:

Look at how much me loving caring will change things

we're all posting, brother

Source4Leko
Jul 25, 2007


Dinosaur Gum

Mr Hootington posted:

The problem is the important jobs are thoughts as unimportant and the unimportant jobs are thought as important. Simple

Whereas coding for fart app #69 will change the world therefore programmers deserve their compensation and respect

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

well you start watching the teachers by putting cameras in the classrooms that parents can livestream from their phones.

This will get balanced out by the district provided handguns the teachers can brandish when the PTA moms get a little too pushy about the social studies curriculum.

Source4Leko
Jul 25, 2007


Dinosaur Gum

loquacius posted:

we're all posting, brother

Go gently caress yourself

Retromancer
Aug 21, 2007

Every time I see Goatse, I think of Maureen. That's the last thing I saw. Before I blacked out. The sight of that man's anus.

lol at melting down because the computer touchers bullied you out of code boot camp or whatever.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

loquacius posted:

lol that you're blaming the crabs for this

the cook loving knows he's not gonna cook any crabs if he doesn't turn up the heat and would do so regardless of whatever poo poo you're talking about here, both in and out of metaphor

absolutely

Yes the smaller capitalists are just as big a hurdle to get over.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
if i was the crab i'd simply refuse to go into the pot in the first place

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

euphronius posted:

the only job that is not true for I think is professional athletes and surgeons

anesthesiologists make the most out of any doctors and they just watch a screen for 98% of the surgery and can leave to get a snack

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

if i was the crab i'd simply refuse to go into the pot in the first place

You were born I'm the pot. The pot is all you know.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Mr Hootington posted:

Yes the smaller capitalists are just as big a hurdle to get over.

If you can be laid off from selling your labor you're not a capitalist

Source4Leko posted:

Go gently caress yourself

I hope you find peace :)

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Raskolnikov38 posted:

anesthesiologists make the most out of any doctors and they just watch a screen for 98% of the surgery and can leave to get a snack

This seems like the chillest doctor job. Just giving people the good drugs all day. I imagine them as college weed dealers who ended up in med school and wanted to combine these two concepts somehow

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004

Mr Hootington posted:

You were born I'm the pot. The pot is all you know.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDiLfQUBnyA

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Raskolnikov38 posted:

anesthesiologists make the most out of any doctors and they just watch a screen for 98% of the surgery and can leave to get a snack

I woke up in the middle of surgery once. Dumbass was slippin

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

loquacius posted:

If you can be laid off from selling your labor you're not a capitalist

Most computer touchers are a type of manager. They are a type of small capitalist.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Mr Hootington posted:

You were born I'm the pot. The pot is all you know.

idk that doesn't seem like me. i feel like i'd be more of a beach crab

Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

triple sulk posted:

I'd be interested in electrical work, but from everything I understand it can be a fairly miserable job even if you can eventually make pretty good money. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it's just what I feel like I remember reading in places like this forum. I don't even know how you'd really get started with that, assuming it isn't overloaded with people having the same idea.

Electricians have a great gig - the work isn't going away and you can make good money in short order. Biggest complaint I hear about is that is dealing with shitheads while you're an apprentice/journeyman

Electrical design is a lot less rough but you'll need a decent amount of training before you can learn on the job. Basically a draftsperson who specializes. Can start high 20s and work your way up, you won't be able to really make a salary jump unless you can outright do electrical survey and design on your own without guidance from an engineer though. At that point you're effectively an electrical engineer.

I took the route of electrical engineering degree to electrical engineer/designer. Lots more school but didn't have to deal with bullshit in the field, for better and for worse

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Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
this country went to hell when we got rid of the tollbooth operators

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

this country went to hell when we got rid of the tollbooth operators

You joke, but it is true. Getting rid of simple jobs and personal interactions is making everything worse.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Mr Hootington posted:

Most computer touchers are a type of manager.

:dafuq: when you say "computer toucher" what job are you envisioning exactly

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Mr Hootington posted:

You joke, but it is true. Getting rid of simple jobs and personal interactions is making everything worse.

i wasn't joking

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Raskolnikov38 posted:

anesthesiologists make the most out of any doctors and they just watch a screen for 98% of the surgery and can leave to get a snack

When my wife got an epidural it was done by some anesthesiologist doctor who spend more time asking "you pinky promise you want this you understand the risks bla bla bla" than the procedure itself, which just looked like someone popping an HDMI cable in the back of a TV in regards to how quick and effortlessly it happened.

Medical field in general often feels like the tedious and difficult tasks are performed by the lowbies, only for the top dog to come in, poke around for 5mins and go "mm hmm looks good". Same with dentists, outside of actual extensive repairs they just come in after the hygenist is done, poke your teeth a bit with a spiky tool then move on.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

loquacius posted:

This seems like the chillest doctor job. Just giving people the good drugs all day. I imagine them as college weed dealers who ended up in med school and wanted to combine these two concepts somehow

all the ones i met liked to party, like a lotta surgeons do too

they actually do perform a good amount of procedures, and the pay is commensurate to the amount of professional risk they undertake

excellent hours tho. they're considered a "lifestyle" specialty, like dermatology. only top of the class can nab those residencies

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Scarabrae
Oct 7, 2002

they keep talking about cutting rates like edging gone wrong

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