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Al! posted:absolutely no way they do this, id expect the samson option before them lighting this tnt under their own rear end It's a hell of a way to raise the stakes and guarantee the US supports them no matter what.
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Frosted Flake posted:It's a hell of a way to raise the stakes and guarantee the US supports them no matter what. destroying the Al-Aqsa would “raise the stakes” in the same way as invading Poland and Germany would be for Russia. it would be an insanely foolish move that is probably one of the only things that could provoke the US to drop Israel as a client state. the alternative would be an oil embargo that would make the 70s look like a hiccup.
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Al! posted:absolutely no way they do this, id expect the samson option before them lighting this tnt under their own rear end ive always assumed that is what the samson option really is. if israel is invaded and looks to lose, they nuke every muslim holy site out of spite
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:destroying the Al-Aqsa would “raise the stakes” in the same way as invading Poland and Germany would be for Russia. it would be an insanely foolish move that is probably one of the only things that could provoke the US to drop Israel as a client state. the alternative would be an oil embargo that would make the 70s look like a hiccup. why would america give a poo poo about the al aqsa mosque? israel is starving like 2 million people to death and shooting and bombing tens of thousands of civilians, half of which are children america doesn't think of muslims as human unless they've donated money to the democrats, i don't see any reason anyone in power would give a poo poo about another building being destroyed. they don't need muslims on their side as far as they're concerned. i get the idea that it would be a self-destructive insane move for israel but israel is an insane self-destructive fascist state, and america is on the other side of the world and being run by people who don't believe in material reality. it being a bad idea certainly won't stop them from sending unlimited money.
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They would just have to go "Whoops, a Hamas rocket went waaaaaay off course and blew up the mosque."
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Retromancer posted:They would just have to go "Whoops, a Hamas rocket went waaaaaay off course and blew up the mosque." and they'd say that anyone who doesn't believe it is anti-semetic. material reality doesn't matter to the people in power and those who support them, the only thing that matters is following the state department line
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Flournival Dixon posted:why would america give a poo poo about the al aqsa mosque? israel is starving like 2 million people to death and shooting and bombing tens of thousands of civilians, half of which are children America isn’t capable of defending Israel in a war on Islam, that’s why. Even with unlimited money.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:America isn’t capable of defending Israel in a war on Islam, that’s why. Even with unlimited money. well yeah i'm sure there's plenty of guys in the military who would agree with that, but the people with the majority of political power in the US don't think in terms of material capability and physical reality. america is undefeatable to them and the will of the american state is what dictates reality, it doesn't matter what's actually real to them. they'd keep up the funding and watch israel burn and then blame it on trump and anti-semetic zoomers or whatever.
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Flournival Dixon posted:why would america give a poo poo about the al aqsa mosque? israel is starving like 2 million people to death and shooting and bombing tens of thousands of civilians, half of which are children America can't maintain its compradors in the middle east if it also backs a country that just declared war on every Muslim in the world. Everything it has been working to achieve in the region since the end of Cold War will fall apart. They're not that insane.
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Flournival Dixon posted:well yeah i'm sure there's plenty of guys in the military who would agree with that, but the people with the majority of political power in the US don't think in terms of material capability and physical reality. if Ben gvir decided to be epic and blow up Al Aqsa there’s going to be a CIA White House intern pointing a gun at Biden’s head and telling him to make some calls.
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America couldn’t back its own ships crossing the Red Sea either and israel is still gonna get a bunch of your tax money. I could easily see Ben-gvir and Netanyahu thinking they can escalate this ‘safely’ getting US troops there by tossing a missile then mining out the mosque since they did it to dozens of other religious centers and hospitals
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Ben Gvir isn't gonna destroy Al-Aqsa, but with him in charge of civil security, it would be extremely unsurprising if he sends in Magav to provoke people gathering there to pray.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:if Ben gvir decided to be epic and blow up Al Aqsa there’s going to be a CIA White House intern pointing a gun at Biden’s head and telling him to make some calls. i mean i guess i just don't know that the CIA still has the kissinger type realpolitik guys left these days, it feels like the empire has bought entirely into it's own propaganda maybe i'm just being optimistic but the empire's been dying so obviously in such plain sight since 2022 that i just feel like they've emptied out all the competent people
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I think people itt are underestimating the blowback from destroying the Al-Aqsa. The immediate results would be either 1) Israel and Saudi Arabia declare war on Israel or 2) those countries having violent revolutions and then declaring war on Israel. every country with a significant Muslim population would face enormous unrest; every Muslim majority country would either declare war on Israel or have a civil war triggered by their refusal to do so. oil would hit $200 a barrel. it would be one of the most politically destabilizing global events since the end of WW2.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://twitter.com/gregjstoker/status/1755108780986233116?s=46&t=UyfxoSAUKW7QZlR_GhkuYA Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://twitter.com/stairwayto3dom/status/1755235330083475575?s=46&t=UyfxoSAUKW7QZlR_GhkuYA Waiting for the video of Hamas Hang-glider commandos flying over the wall.
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Cerebral Bore posted:more like surströmmingposting Surströmmfront
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Flournival Dixon posted:i mean i guess i just don't know that the CIA still has the kissinger type realpolitik guys left these days, it feels like the empire has bought entirely into it's own propaganda Deep states don’t like it when everything they’ve built for decades is thrown down the drain by a dying old man with The Raid on Entebbe playing in his head every time he wakes up.
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Sancho Banana posted:E: oh and no changes with regards to Haredim being exempted lol quote:Upon the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, universal conscription was instituted for all able-bodied Jewish males. However, the nation's population of military-aged Haredi men were exempted from service in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) under the Torato Umanuto arrangement, which officially granted deferred entry into the IDF for yeshiva students, but in practice allowed young Haredi men to serve for a significantly reduced period of time or bypass military service altogether. quote:By 2030, the Haredi Jewish community is projected to make up 16% of the total population, and by 2065, a third of the Israeli population.[157] lol israel is doomed to extinction just from the haredim military exemptions
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euphronius posted:strange that everyone brought the same tent
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lol israel is doomed to extinction just from the haredim military exemptions That's a legit fear that the secular middle/upper class has, and which their media doesn't shy away from talking about. Not just because of exemptions, but also because of other religious laws Haredim might put into practice.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I think people itt are underestimating the blowback from destroying the Al-Aqsa. The immediate results would be either 1) Israel and Saudi Arabia declare war on Israel or 2) those countries having violent revolutions and then declaring war on Israel. every country with a significant Muslim population would face enormous unrest; every Muslim majority country would either declare war on Israel or have a civil Vs "Nah, it won't. It's just another church, how bad could it be?" - US/Israel government officials
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euphronius posted:strange that everyone brought the same tent At least they have one each. Can you imagine if they had to share
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I think people itt are underestimating the blowback from destroying the Al-Aqsa. The immediate results would be either 1) Israel and Saudi Arabia declare war on Israel or 2) those countries having violent revolutions and then declaring war on Israel. every country with a significant Muslim population would face enormous unrest; every Muslim majority country would either declare war on Israel or have a civil I doubt it. Israel's genociding millions of Palestinians on Egypt's doorstep and yet it was South Africa that brought the case to the ICJ rather than any Muslim country.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://twitter.com/stairwayto3dom/status/1755235330083475575?s=46&t=UyfxoSAUKW7QZlR_GhkuYA These dumb idiots are going to get themselves killed. Also, the IDF is just allowing this to happen? Of loving course they are. And while they are rolling tanks in and out of Gaza lol.
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I keep reading Haredrim as Haradrim and wondering why the horse lords of Rohan would refuse to fight.
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OctaMurk posted:I doubt it. Israel's genociding millions of Palestinians on Egypt's doorstep and yet it was South Africa that brought the case to the ICJ rather than any Muslim country. you all really have no clue what Al Aqsa means to Muslims. the worst I think Ben gvir could do is force his way into Al Aqsa for a photo op where he smirks like a serial killer with that loving kippah on
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Retromancer posted:I keep reading Haredrim as Haradrim and wondering why the horse lords of Rohan would refuse to fight. uh, the horselords were called the rohirrim. the haradrim were eastern men that supported sauron.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:you all really have no clue what Al Aqsa means to Muslims. Thats the worst ben gvir does now, I agree. But imo I bet that zionist extremists will launch a major terrorist attack on Al Aqsa, and maybe destroy the dome of the rock, in the next decade or so. The fact that the loving IDF had an exercise in which they had to deal with settlers kidnapping Palestinians, shows thats the Israeli security forces at this point know that the extremism has cut this deep
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Ardent Communist posted:uh, the horselords were called the rohirrim. the haradrim were eastern men that supported sauron. gently caress
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://twitter.com/stairwayto3dom/status/1755235330083475575?s=46&t=UyfxoSAUKW7QZlR_GhkuYA Someone bought dozens of the same tent and set them up to block the border crossing like traffic cones. Those tents are probably empty.
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OctaMurk posted:I doubt it. Israel's genociding millions of Palestinians on Egypt's doorstep and yet it was South Africa that brought the case to the ICJ rather than any Muslim country. ok try to imagine the mosque is the vatican and italy is owned by muslims and they level it, this might help you grasp the implications
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Jel Shaker posted:ok try to imagine the mosque is the vatican and italy is owned by muslims and they level it, this might help you grasp the implications Leveling the Vatican is probably the coolest thing Israel could do.
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Jel Shaker posted:ok try to imagine the mosque is the vatican and italy is owned by muslims and they level it, this might help you grasp the implications yea the whole rear end world would go up in fire over that one i think
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heh yeah people don't understand al aqsa's importance in the muslim world also basically everyone (iran, hezbullah, etc.) mention it and even centralize it's importance in relation to Palestine  also, it's gorgeous in a way only the great religious monuments in every civilization can be. found this article while looking for nice photos of it: Don’t Airbrush Out Dome of the Rock quote:When our 5-year-old daughter, Yael, came home from her Jerusalem school with a children’s Haggadah, telling the Passover story, she was excited to show it to me. I sat at our dining room table with her, delighted in her ability to sing Ha Lachma Anya [“this is the bread of affliction”], the Four Questions, and Dayeinu. Reveling in her skills, her confidence and how much she had learned at school, I experienced the pride of an immigrant father that his children were already reaping the educational and cultural benefits of our aliyah from America less than two years ago.
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