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Shinjobi posted:No one has ever given a poo poo about Black Adam and that the Rock thought differently is one of the funniest things in the world to me. I give a poo poo about Black Adam….
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:But... a boxing glove makes a punch LESS hurtful and dangerous than not using a boxing glove? That's famously their entire point. did u know, putting someone through a table, is good for them, if anything
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edogawa rando posted:Generally speaking, a tent pole film not making double its reported production budget is usually a disappointment. To be fair, the only wrinkle in that traditional movie budgeting calculus was the pandemic, with Disney opting to hedge their bets and release several movies (JC, Cruella, Black Widow) simultaneously in theaters and on D+ (via Premier Access). The problem is, by doing that, it's practically impossible to determine whether a movie released on D+ cannibalized ticket sales for the same movie in the theaters. Did the D+ release stop people from going to the theaters to see the movie? Did it tempt in any viewers who otherwise wouldn't have bothered to go see it? With that in mind, it can't really be argued that the movie was a success, because there's so much uncertainty due to the day-and-date release strategy. One thing that cannot be argued, however, is that the Rock's movie was an absolute flop when compared to fellow Disney day-and-date release Black Widow. BW had a budget of roughly $288 million and made $379 million worldwide at the box office, with its D+ opening weekend grossing nearly $70 million. By comparison, JC had a budget of $200 million and made $220 million worldwide, with $30 million for its D+ opening weekend. The Rock headlining a movie couldn't even beat out a movie starring one of the lesser Avengers, even with his movie having a comparatively smaller budget and the similar day-and-date release strategy. It's pretty safe to say the Rock's star was definitely beginning to diminish by that time.
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i think people woulda gave a poo poo about black adam if he did it when people first started saying rock should be black adam, like 12 years ago. just like this main event would have been cool 8 years ago. the rock is a bundle of nerves constantly unable to pull the trigger and im here for it
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Sydney Bottocks posted:To be fair, the only wrinkle in that traditional movie budgeting calculus was the pandemic, with Disney opting to hedge their bets and release several movies (JC, Cruella, Black Widow) simultaneously in theaters and on D+ (via Premier Access). Again, actual contemporary industry sources disagree with you. These movies did not have the same expectations. Thinking they did is just silly. https://twitter.com/ERCboxoffice/status/1421860085836308484 There are plenty of box office disappointments, and middling results in the Rock's career, basically at all times. This period is no different.
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MassRafTer posted:Again, actual contemporary industry sources disagree with you. These movies did not have the same expectations. Thinking they did is just silly. I mean, I pulled my info out of the same Variety articles you did, so I don't know what else to tell you. If you want to believe the Rock's star isn't waning (which is why he came back to WWE) and that Jungle Cruise was a massive success, then by all means do so. I don't know why you're choosing this particular hill, but go on with your bad self, I guess.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I mean, I pulled my info out of the same Variety articles you did, so I don't know what else to tell you. If you want to believe the Rock's star isn't waning (which is why he came back to WWE) and that Jungle Cruise was a massive success, then by all means do so. I don't know why you're choosing this particular hill, but go on with your bad self, I guess. I don't think it was a massive success, but feel free to make things up.
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MassRafTer posted:I don't think it was a massive success, but feel free to make things up. Oh, sorry, it was a success, just not a massive one. I briefly forgot your tiresome penchant for pedantry. 
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That DICK! posted:"it made half of what black widow made" from the Investor Cope Twitter, seems pretty concrete Absolutely brutal
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Oh, sorry, it was a success, just not a massive one. I briefly forgot your tiresome penchant for pedantry. I said it did fine. It did. Expectations were very muted in 2021. Again, it was #4 that summer. #4 this summer beat that by 50%.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:the rock is a mark for Dwayne Johnson
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fez_machine posted:The Rock had to wait a year but he would absolutely not be doing anything wrestling related if his movie career was going better. I think there's a decent chant that the Rock would be trying to get to the top of a billion dollar company that's going through a massive power vacuum at the top regardless of how his movie career was going.
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mrt.... did you work on jungle cruise....
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Oh, sorry, it was a success, just not a massive one. I briefly forgot your tiresome penchant for pedantry. friend,
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Cavauro posted:friend, brother,
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That DICK! posted:mrt.... did you work on jungle cruise.... Uh, parents, there's one last thing that I'd like to mention before you leave. It's kind of a sensitive subject to me. When you leave the park later on today, please don't forget to take with you all of your small children. Um, if you do happen to leave any of them behind, it only takes thirty days for them to become permanent property of the Walt Disney Company. You see, the kiddies will be shipped over to "It's A Small World," their little feet will be bolted to the floor and they'll be forced to sing that stupid song over and over again. And after fifteen years, they will finally be eligible for a promotion to Jungle Cruise skipper. Yeah. Now you see how I got here. So if you see my parents wandering around the park, please send them over here and get me. The joke is over... it's really not that funny anymore. Okay, have you all had a great time on the Jungle Cruise today?!
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i googled jungle cruise. it says it had a box office of 220 million and a production budget of 200 million. this does not include marketing. this film seems a enormous failure.
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Isn't it a thing that movies have to make at least 2 to 5 times their budget to actually make money?
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Drakkel posted:Isn't it a thing that movies have to make at least 2 to 5 times their budget to actually make money? 3-5 times depending on the distribution of domestic and foreign gross.
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Jungle Cruise is gonna do what CM Punk couldn't and tear PSP apart. 
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Shrimpy posted:The fact that there's an argument over whether Jungle Cruise was a flop or not is basically all the evidence you need that The Rock's movie career isn't what he wants it to be. Maxwell Lord posted:I think Black Adam was very much a Last Action Hero situation where the film was so closely tied with him in publicity that its failure is particularly damaging. I think these are pretty important points about Rock's film career. He's a Jason Statham level guy who markets himself as a Tom Cruise guy. So when he does Jason Statham numbers and not Tom Cruise numbers it looks like a failure. And it's true that most of his big stuff has been IP or ensemble stuff. Is Chris Pratt a superstar A lister because he's in the Jurassic Park and Guardians movie? KINDA, but not really. The success of Moana or the FF movies don't rest on the Rock. It's the franchise. If The Rock was replaced in Jungle Book 2 or Skyscraper 2 with, say, Jack Black or Jason Momoa, would it make much of a difference? This is a guy who was flying so high he couldn't bother coming back to WWE for when they dedicated an entire night to his career or for cross promotion for his OWN netflix movie! But after his football mogul dreams were cut in half and he didn't have the stroke to take over the DCU he's coming back to where he can, apparently, call the shots. No shame in it but the perception of him is no longer the guy is on top of the world who might be president one day!, it's of a messy bitch who cried about his box office bomb on instagram and runs a thrice failed second rate football league.
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the only Jungle Cruise I'm interested in involves the Amen Break
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1glitch0 posted:I think these are pretty important points about Rock's film career. He's a Jason Statham level guy who markets himself as a Tom Cruise guy. So when he does Jason Statham numbers and not Tom Cruise numbers it looks like a failure. And it's true that most of his big stuff has been IP or ensemble stuff. Is Chris Pratt a superstar A lister because he's in the Jurassic Park and Guardians movie? KINDA, but not really. The success of Moana or the FF movies don't rest on the Rock. It's the franchise. Tom Cruise was having a streak of rough numbers prior to Fallout with Reacher Never Look Back, The Mummy and American Made which had people talking about if he was done or at best a franchise player with MI. Maverick was looking like a disaster as the pandemic started and people kept giving poor Tom a tough time. Then he saved cinema. The Cody fans will stop crying one day and realize The Rock is doing the same for WWE.
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Drakkel posted:Isn't it a thing that movies have to make at least 2 to 5 times their budget to actually make money? 25 years ago, the basic rule of thumb was that a movie became profitable after generating 2.5x its production budget (that 2.5x accounting for marketing and promotional spend, distribution costs--striking prints is expensive--the theaters' take of the box office numbers, etc.) Nowadays, though, the math is a lot fuzzier with digital distribution of movies to theaters, the proliferation of home video, the explosion of selling streaming rights, massive worldwide expansion and the like, and it varies by movie. Man of Steel, for example, was already in the black before it earned a single cent at the box office because of the product placement deals Warner Bros. had worked out. The math is going to get even fuzzier in the coming years now that the Paramount consent decrees of 1948 (which prohibited studios from owning movie theaters) were repealed in 2020.
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Alaois posted:the only Jungle Cruise I'm interested in involves the Amen Break
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"My hopes have all vanished and my dreams have all died"
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There are 87 varieties of poisonous snakes on the North American continent. We at the Jungle Cruise are proud of the fact that we have 82 of these varieties in the wooden rafters directly over your heads. Fear not, though, they will NOT attack a moving target, so please try to keep the line moving. If the line won’t move, simply run in place.
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MassRafTer posted:There are 87 varieties of poisonous snakes on the North American continent. We at the Jungle Cruise are proud of the fact that we have 82 of these varieties in the wooden rafters directly over your heads. Fear not, though, they will NOT attack a moving target, so please try to keep the line moving. If the line won’t move, simply run in place. Poisonous snakes are only a problem if you try to eat them. It's the venomous ones you have to watch out for.
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Why would I not eat them, that's what they're trying to do to me.
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Open Marriage Night posted:The Rock big timed Shazam and didn’t want anything to do with it. He knew if they ever crossed over he’d have to job to a group of teenagers. All the more reason why he would never get to the level of an Arnold as an action star
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