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nobodygetshurt
Dec 11, 2007

Speedboat Jones posted:

Put. That. Bud Light. Down. Bud Light is for transes!

B****
U
Do
What
Ever
I
Say
Every
Rip

(it's an old battle rap reference)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV9gSl6CNrA&t=882s

nobodygetshurt fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Feb 8, 2024

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Froghammer
Sep 8, 2012

Khajit has wares
if you have coin
ABC

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Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

John Wick of Dogs posted:

BOOTY-ADE posted:

This reminded me of a Reddit post about current "reactionary" politics that kind of sums things up pretty well with the current crop of incompetent clowns

https://old.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/17w0z8k/unbelievable/k9flzrd/?context=3
I'd argue the opposite problem. Democrats still don't believe the wrestling is real, and it's been real for years. Decades to some extent.

Jesus Christ, the lengths some folks will go to remind us that no matter how loving insane and awful the Republicans get, it's still somehow the Democrats fault. :rolleyes:

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
the republicans are hard right and the democrats are centrists, and this make the democrats worse because ????

it really just feels like a bunch of leftists are embarrassed they were ever liberals and have a bone to pick with their former selves and have lost perspective

StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Feb 8, 2024

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Agents are GO! posted:

Jesus Christ, the lengths some folks will go to remind us that no matter how loving insane and awful the Republicans get, it's still somehow the Democrats fault. :rolleyes:

I mean you can say the republicans are bad but ultimately that’s pretty meaningless. At this point it’s clear that not only do they not care, neither do the voters.

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

StrangersInTheNight posted:

the republicans are hard right and the democrats are centrists, and this make the democrats worse because ????

it really just feels like a bunch of leftists are embarrassed they were ever liberals and have a bone to pick with their former selves and have lost perspective

The "Not My President" and Occupy Wall Street early and mid 00s and 10s was a really embarassing time to be on the left and some people never moved on past Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL
(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ♥(‘∀’●)

Lol the most occupy did at UNM while I was there was set up an environment where a homeless dude was allowed to die of alcohol poisoning on a bench and get all protests banned on campus for a few weeks until the right and left came together on that issue

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Toxic Mental posted:

The "Not My President" and Occupy Wall Street early and mid 00s and 10s was a really embarassing time to be on the left and some people never moved on past Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes

Yes but that’s because both movements didn’t actually go far enough and were ultimately liberals cosplaying as actual political operations that ended up being more like camping than anything else

Now leftism is dead in America and only liberalism is left and it’s failing

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



kazil posted:

I feel like it's mostly because SCOTUS doesn't want to deal with that kind of mess. A million cases a year about who can or can't be on the ballot

That occurs with any supreme court ruling of note. Which is why these kinds of rulings establish tests that lower courts can apply to quickly address these things. Until, of course, a politically motivated court comes along and decides to nibble away at these rulings, making things more and more ambiguous, until they finally upend basic and foundational legal concepts to get rid of that original ruling

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
Like I’m not sure you can look at the current SCOTUS and not accept the democrats do field a lot of the blame for this outside of being a naked partisan

HappyHippo
Nov 19, 2003
Do you have an Air Miles Card?

CharlestheHammer posted:

Like I’m not sure you can look at the current SCOTUS and not accept the democrats do field a lot of the blame for this outside of being a naked partisan

Sure, 6 of the judges were appointed by Republicans, but somehow this is the Democrats fault.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Agents are GO! posted:

Jesus Christ, the lengths some folks will go to remind us that no matter how loving insane and awful the Republicans get, it's still somehow the Democrats fault. :rolleyes:
It’s a bedrock element of the world view. Many such cases

Seth Pecksniff
May 27, 2004

can't believe shrek is fucking dead. rip to a real one.

HappyHippo posted:

Sure, 6 of the judges were appointed by Republicans, but somehow this is the Democrats fault.

"Democrats didn't blow up the filibuster which obviously would never have backfired therefore they were wrong"

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



HappyHippo posted:

Sure, 6 of the judges were appointed by Republicans, but somehow this is the Democrats fault.

Listen, Obama should have tried harder to get McConnell to actually bring forward literally anything. It's HIS fault McConnell is a piece of poo poo, not McConnells. How dare you hold him accountable for his own actions?

Batterypowered7
Aug 8, 2009

The mist that chills you keeps me warm.

HappyHippo posted:

Sure, 6 of the judges were appointed by Republicans, but somehow this is the Democrats fault.

Seth Pecksniff posted:

"Democrats didn't blow up the filibuster which obviously would never have backfired therefore they were wrong"

Hillary is at fault for getting Trump elected, duh

dervival
Apr 23, 2014

StrangersInTheNight posted:

and this make the democrats worse because ????

because we've been in a society where truth is irrelevant for way too long now

Jimlit
Jun 30, 2005



Batterypowered7 posted:

Democrats are at fault for getting Trump elected, duh

fixed

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009




I mean, the dems actually worked at getting Trump the nomination because they assumed it would be an easy win...

big mean giraffe
Dec 13, 2003

Eat Shit and Die

Lipstick Apathy
Yeah the dems have tried so hard to stop republicans from being evil, like tearing up trump's speech papers or crying about ~*decorum*~ and accepting donations from the same megacorps. All would be solved if they were in power.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

HappyHippo posted:

Sure, 6 of the judges were appointed by Republicans, but somehow this is the Democrats fault.

Yes and the republicans got exactly what they wanted because this is politics and they played their hand incredibly well.

Cry about them if you will but they will just continue to ignore that as they rack up win after win but hey you protected your boys the democrats so really who won?

Dementropy
Aug 23, 2010



https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1755648165573714246

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



CharlestheHammer posted:

Like I’m not sure you can look at the current SCOTUS and not accept the democrats do field a lot of the blame for this outside of being a naked partisan

What?

What were they supposed to do exactly? Threaten Mitch with what, he gets off on being a dick

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
it's less about protection and more about admitting that it was foolish to ever expect the centrist party of the status quo to be making change, and it seems like a lot of people are just upset they got sold the idea that liberalism is the furthest left we can go in this country, which the dems absolutely indulged in promoting, and it's left a lot of people feeling very very burned

but that is not the same as the poo poo that the hard right authoritarians are doing. one is just clearly demonstrably worse as a party.

Serious_Cyclone
Oct 25, 2017

I appreciate your patience, this is a tricky maneuver

CharlestheHammer posted:

Cry about them if you will but they will just continue to ignore that as they rack up win after win

Laura Ingraham, is that you?

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

So silently let them enjoy racking up win after win or?

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



CharlestheHammer posted:

Yes and the republicans got exactly what they wanted because this is politics and they played their hand incredibly well.

Cry about them if you will but they will just continue to ignore that as they rack up win after win but hey you protected your boys the democrats so really who won?

What exactly were they supposed to do differently?

Like, dems have a lot they suck on, but this is just :psyduck: to blame dems for Mitch's assholery

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer

CharlestheHammer posted:

Yes and the republicans got exactly what they wanted because this is politics and they played their hand incredibly well.

Cry about them if you will but they will just continue to ignore that as they rack up win after win but hey you protected your boys the democrats so really who won?
lmao

Lifespan
Mar 5, 2002
Always good to get a reminder that one third of that court was appointed by a one term president who lost the popular vote and tried to overthrow the results of the next one.

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



The reason the Left can't gain traction in this country is because they make completely moronic arguments like this, wtf

gently caress me I'm a declared former DSA socialist (gently caress them on their Russia idiocy frankly, useful idiots) and some of y'all make me cringe.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Frank Frank posted:

I absolutely loved Glengarry Glen Ross but through that lens, that kinda makes me :smith:

I mean, the whole play is pretty loving racist against Indian people.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

TulliusCicero posted:

What exactly were they supposed to do differently?

Like, dems have a lot they suck on, but this is just :psyduck: to blame dems for Mitch's assholery

Your right the republicans are just to good why try at all really

ProperCauldron
Oct 11, 2004

nah chill

Toxic Mental posted:

The "Not My President" and Occupy Wall Street early and mid 00s and 10s was a really embarassing time to be on the left and some people never moved on past Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes

...it was embarrassing to lead the largest anti-war protests in the history of the world??

big mean giraffe
Dec 13, 2003

Eat Shit and Die

Lipstick Apathy

TulliusCicero posted:

The reason the Left can't gain traction in this country is because they make completely moronic arguments like this, wtf

gently caress me I'm a declared former DSA socialist and some of y'all make me cringe.

It's actually because we don't have a Left in this country with any actual political power or capital, and the centrist idiots running the Dems actually like the same lovely fiscal policy the Republicans do but hold up a pride flag so they're good guys.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

TulliusCicero posted:

The reason the Left can't gain traction in this country is because they make completely moronic arguments like this, wtf

gently caress me I'm a declared former DSA socialist and some of y'all make me cringe.


This explains why the DSA was an ineffectual social club for middle class liberals if people like you had any real voice in it

Jimlit
Jun 30, 2005



CharlestheHammer posted:

Cry about them if you will but they will just continue to ignore that as they rack up win after win but hey you protected your boys the democrats so really who won?

I mean for real, everyone acts all incredulous but what has the democratic party actually taken away? loving nothing. Same candidates and policies election after election. If losing to Donald J. Trump one time doesn't completely upend your party, losing twice should burn the whole party down.

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



big mean giraffe posted:

It's actually because we don't have a Left in this country with any actual political power or capital, and the centrist idiots running the Dems actually like the same lovely fiscal policy the Republicans do but hold up a pride flag so they're good guys.

Do you think that blaming Dems for Trump really wins over people on policy positions regarding economics?

Also "hold up a pride flag" just :fuckoff:, that's people's rights to exist you are disparaging in pursuit of purity politics.

I'm all in favor of moving towards a socialist democracy in the US, you aren't getting there by bleating about DEMS Bad about the loving power abuse by the GOP regarding the court.

TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Feb 8, 2024

Asterite34
May 19, 2009



Yeah let's have this conversation for the 50th time, I think the thread's really gonna make some headway on this one

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe

TulliusCicero posted:

The reason the Left can't gain traction in this country is because they make completely moronic arguments like this, wtf

gently caress me I'm a declared former DSA socialist (gently caress them on their Russia idiocy frankly, useful idiots) and some of y'all make me cringe.

Do not engage with charlesthehammer

You will only harvest sorrow

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

Asterite34 posted:

Yeah let's have this conversation for the 50th time, I think the thread's really gonna make some headway on this one

Unity is coming. You gotta believe!

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Serious_Cyclone
Oct 25, 2017

I appreciate your patience, this is a tricky maneuver

CharlestheHammer posted:

Your right the republicans are just to good why try at all really

That's not an answer to the question. Try what, specifically? What was the course of action that they should have taken that they abdicated responsibility on and chose to do something else or nothing at all?

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