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MKM draft sucks loving poo poo, there's too much loving removal and too many goddamn bombs in every match, it's worse than goddamn new capenna draft and that's saying something Holy poo poo I have never hated a limited format this much Also the special guest cards are loving stupid, you shouldn't lose a game of standard draft to a turn 1 crashing footfalls
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I haven't done enough yet to say either way, but games have all been very long and I've never seen the rope more in a Draft set than this one, just because legitimately a lot of choices to make and a lot of things to gently caress up. And yeah tons and tons of removal. I haven't even really looked at the set outside of whichever ones got highlight in this thread and my first deck I thought I was slick hoovering up all these dimir removal spells people were passing up. Naw, there were just so many I got removal spells in the last few picks in the pack. The deck was bad, I had too much removal and collect evidence and my creatures would also just be efficiently removed. I did almost deck someone out exiling a ton of plains, and my opponent was burning through their library really quickly, they single digit and less than half my library, and if they kept drawing through I could win stalling a few turns. They kept drawing, but they were fishing for and got the land that lets them put a card on bottom of library.
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Feb 8, 2024 18:56
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I've struggled a bit with drafting MKM but I think I've found my groove a little bit: I actually think the more midrangey decks are overall stronger than the aggro strategies. Boards will usually stall out due to the parity in creature size and if the midrange deck can block or trade a couple of times on turns 3-5, card advantage and big critters can usually take over. I did find it pretty frustrating at first: I drafted what I thought were some pretty good, low to the ground Jeskai decks that wound up going 0-3 against rampy green decks. I could get my opponent down to like 6 life but then they would flip one of those huge hellions or centaurs and gain a billion life with the big friendly spider and I would just have to roll over. I haven't had too many issues with bombs, the removal is good enough and trading is easy enough that you can hold it up until you see a big problem. Turn 1 Crashing Footfalls does absolutely suck though. I'm holding off on my final verdict on the format, my first couple of drafts were disasters but I'm enjoying it a bit more now.
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Feb 8, 2024 18:56
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Silhouette posted:MKM draft sucks loving poo poo, there's too much loving removal and too many goddamn bombs in every match, it's worse than goddamn new capenna draft and that's saying something lol crashing footfalls is in this poo poo?
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Feb 8, 2024 20:27
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FishFood posted:I've struggled a bit with drafting MKM but I think I've found my groove a little bit: I actually think the more midrangey decks are overall stronger than the aggro strategies. Boards will usually stall out due to the parity in creature size and if the midrange deck can block or trade a couple of times on turns 3-5, card advantage and big critters can usually take over. This is not backed up by the data
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Feb 8, 2024 20:28
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The only thing definitively I'll say about MKM draft is it was a mistake to make Morph-But-Better cost 3 mana. The way Limited has evolved since the last time Morph was around has put special emphasis on turn 1 and 2, and if you aren't on the board by turn 3 at the latest, you're screwed. a 3 mana 2/2, even if it has ward 2, is just not high impact enough to stabilize the board, unless you're willing to trade that 2/2 - but you're just playing a Grey Ogre at that point. Which the power level of Magic has long since surpassed. But its extremely early in the draft period to make broad proclamations, often there's at least one big adjustment a week into a format and things can stabilize a bit unless there's a huge, unfixable color imbalance, like in New Capenna.
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Feb 8, 2024 20:44
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mcmagic posted:This is not backed up by the data Looking at 17 lands, Boros is pretty handily leading the pack in winrate but Selesnya is in second, far ahead of the other color combos. White is obviously pretty cracked at common and uncommon, but the Selesnya decks I've had success with have been almost mono-green, using white mostly to run Buried in the Garden, Makeshift Binding, and a couple of white's 2 drops. Boros is undoubtedly very, very strong, but anecdotally I have had much better results with green decks. I'm a pretty average drafter so this could absolutely be a skill issue on my part, but green is usually super open and has some stuff to stymie aggro.
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FishFood posted:Looking at 17 lands, Boros is pretty handily leading the pack in winrate but Selesnya is in second, far ahead of the other color combos. White is obviously pretty cracked at common and uncommon, but the Selesnya decks I've had success with have been almost mono-green, using white mostly to run Buried in the Garden, Makeshift Binding, and a couple of white's 2 drops. Yeah I've really liked the Green decks, more rares per draft and multicolour bombs also makes it easier to be rewarded for doing Gx stuff. I'm doing more MTGO/pod stuff this time and Boros hasn't felt oppressive at all
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Just drafted a pretty bad Boros deck (as in so bad I was playing morphs I could only turn face up, not cast directly) but it won games by being on the board early and attacking, going 5-3 in the end. Red Herring was an MVP. Always hate getting wrathed in limited by rares but w/e just have to chalk them up as bad beats.
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Also 17 lands mostly has the aggro archetypes in front at the beginning of a format then they generally come back to earth
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wei posted:Yeah I've really liked the Green decks, more rares per draft and multicolour bombs also makes it easier to be rewarded for doing Gx stuff. I'm doing more MTGO/pod stuff this time and Boros hasn't felt oppressive at all I have been passed Doppelgang late twice now and that card is absolutely insane in a green ramp deck. Fun trick, copy the best creature on the board and a Makeshift Binding for a cool 4 for 1!
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Feb 8, 2024 21:26
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Also Ezrim is practically unbeatable, he's like going up against Dream Trawler in THB draft, except even worse because his ability doesn't even tap him down or put your opponent down a card
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Feb 8, 2024 21:58
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Man, functional reprints and strict upgrades are gonna be really loving funny here. The person who gets Aethereon will be real pissrd about Aethereus who by complete coincidence also gives boundless ascend but has a cost of 4.
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distortion park posted:Just drafted a pretty bad Boros deck (as in so bad I was playing morphs I could only turn face up, not cast directly) but it won games by being on the board early and attacking, going 5-3 in the end. Red Herring was an MVP. The morph you can flip up to make a thopter is great and you should play it in every RW deck even if you can't cast the front side.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Man, functional reprints and strict upgrades are gonna be really loving funny here. That game's not gonna reach the point where they need to handle that. I'd be surprised if it even releases, but it's definitely not getting to a third set.
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In the latest Secret Lair, Circular Logic was accidentally printed as a sorcery. https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/secret-lair-deceptive-divination-drop-print-error I find this incredibly ironic, because even if it was a sorcery, it would still be perfectly playable 99.87% of the time.
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Feb 8, 2024 22:59
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Mike N Eich posted:The only thing definitively I'll say about MKM draft is it was a mistake to make Morph-But-Better cost 3 mana. The way Limited has evolved since the last time Morph was around has put special emphasis on turn 1 and 2, and if you aren't on the board by turn 3 at the latest, you're screwed. a 3 mana 2/2, even if it has ward 2, is just not high impact enough to stabilize the board, unless you're willing to trade that 2/2 - but you're just playing a Grey Ogre at that point. Which the power level of Magic has long since surpassed. I wouldn't say it's a mistake. It just means you have to discount how strong they are since lots of the time you get nothing for playing the front side directly, and the intermediate stage of backside but not flipped up yet is pretty poor. Play more two drops to take advantage of people who don't get it.
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Feb 8, 2024 23:22
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Gynovore posted:In the latest Secret Lair, Circular Logic was accidentally printed as a sorcery. how does a company like this not have basic checks?? sending out a customer facing email at my company goes through like 5 layers of approvals. who the gently caress is looking at these??
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sorcery speed countermagic lol
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Sunk Dunk posted:how does a company like this not have basic checks?? sending out a customer facing email at my company goes through like 5 layers of approvals. who the gently caress is looking at these?? They probably all got eliminated in the last round(s) of layoffs.
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Feb 8, 2024 23:54
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Dungeon Ecology posted:sorcery speed countermagic lol I could see that as a future sight kinda card: Countersorcery {0} Sorcery Counter target spell.
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Dungeon Ecology posted:sorcery speed countermagic lol This exact card got printed in one of the portal sets
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That's a fun fact about the portal sets: there are no instants because it was a starter welcome to magic set. So instead they made sorceries that had to be played as instants. More than once.
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N-N-N-NINE BREAKER posted:I could see that as a future sight kinda card: Countersorcery 0 Sorcery Counter the next spell cast this turn.
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Cross-posting from the Arena thread. Murders at Karlov Manor Limited Tips Background Have done 17 Bo1 Premier drafts in 3 days, plus two Bo3 Sealed events to start off the event. Record is bad: 38-51 in draft. Have also reviewed a lot of trophy decks across Bo1 and Bo3 draft and sealed. Finished Mythic #72 last season only to start this set out with that horrible 42% winrate. Best Cards Must-Play Mythics MKM Aurelia’s Vindicator, Intrude on the Mind, Massacre Girl Known Killer, Vein Ripper, Incinerator of the Guilty, Agrus Kor Spirit of Justice, Alquist Proft Master Sleuth, Anzrag the Quake-Mole, Etrata Deadly Fugitive, Kaya Spirits’ Justice, Rakdos Patron of Chaos, Trostani Three Whispers, Vannifar Evolved Enigma, Tomik Wielder of Law SPG Ghostly Prison, Victimize, Crashing Footfalls, Tireless Tracker Must-Play Rares Wojek Investigator, Cryptic Coat, Lost in the Maze, Steamcore Scholar, Krenko Baron of Tin Street, Krenko’s Buzzcrusher, Lamplight Phoenix, Axebane Ferox, Case of the Locked Hothouse, Aurelia the Law Above, Doppelgang, Ezrim Agency Chief, Ill-Time Explosion, Izoni Center of the Web, Kellan Inquisitive Prodigy, Teysa Opulent Oligarch, Tolsimir Midnight’s Light, Warleader’s Call Mythic Uncommons Neighborhood Guardian, Long Goodbye, Reckless Detective, Torch the Witness, Flourishing Bloom-Kin, Buried in the Garden, Detective’s Satchel, Lightning Helix, Private Eye, Repulsive Mutation Great Uncommons Call a Surprise Witness, Case of the Gateway Express, Karlov Watchdog, Perimeter Enforcer, Exit Specialist, Leering Onlooker, Soul Enervation, Undercity Eliminator, Case of the Burning Masks, Glint Weaver, Greenbelt Radical, A Killer Among Us, Coerced to Kill, Fuss // Bother, Hustle // Bustle “Play as many as you can get” Commons Inside Source, Makeshift Binding, Marketwatch Phantom, Novice Inspector, Projektor Inspector, Person of Interest, Shock, Loxodon Eavesdropper, Tunnel Tipster, Dog Walker, Granite Witness “Don’t want to be in this color without at least one” Commons Haazda Vigilante, Museum Nightwatch, Seasoned Consultant, Cold Case Cracker, Dramatic Accusation, Unauthorized Exit, Murder, Snarling Gorehound, Unscrupulous Agent, Galvanize, Red Herring, Bite Down on Crime, Nervous Gardener, Crowd-Control Warden, Gadget Technician, Escape Tunnel “Surprisingly pull their weight” Commons Defenestrated Phantom, Extract a Confession, Toxin Analysis, The Chase is On, Felonious Rage, Fanatical Strength, Sanguine Savior, Gravestone Strider, Sanitation Automaton Format Tips -Bomb rares and mythics are the #1 way to succeed in the format. If you get one of the must-play cards above, you should go out of you way to put it in your deck and build your deck around it. Chances are if you get one early, you can get another one or two later in the draft to go with it. -You can fix for your bombs, take Escape Tunnels highly, one Public Thoroughfare is not too bad, Gravestone Strider is also premium because it filters and blocks 2/2s. -If you don’t get a bomb, you simply must be in WR or WG if you want a chance of getting a trophy. You can also get very lucky with a great WU Detectives build, but basically all the trophy decks I saw that didn’t have a huge bomb like Izoni or Krenko or Case of the Locked Hothouse or Kellan or Doppelgang were all decks with like 3 Shocks and 4 Dog Walkers and Inside Sources buffed by Fuss // Bother or On the Job -Best of One is not worth it in this format, it is bad EV. Because you have like a 30%+ chance of not getting a bomb, you’re going to almost always end up with a bad record with those decks. At least in Best of Three you have a chance to try again when your opponent goes Neighborhood Guardian into Trostani into Inside Source. -The “two power or less” cards are all good because basically every card in the set has 2 power or less. That one’s obvious, but it really will own you in many games when you play. -Black is really bad in the set outside of bombs. Murder at common ends up not mattering because there are not enough other playable cards below rare to fill up a deck. -Cheap combat tricks are extremely important and you will get people and they will get you with them. Auspicious Arrival, Toxin Analysis, The Chase is On, Felonious Rage, and Fanatical Strength are all worth putting in your deck, and it’s worth spending 2-3 slots per deck on them. -My best records in the 17 drafts (no trophies) had the following cards in them: 5-3 - Izoni Center of the Web, Ill-Timed Explosion, Cryptic Coat 4-3 - No bombs, 4 Red Herring, 2 Crime Novelist, 2 Harried Dronesmith 4-3 - No bombs, 3 Inside Source, WB Two Power theme 4-3 - Judith Carnage Connoisseur, Krenko’s Buzzcrusher, 2 Long Goodbye -Decks that I thought were good that had bad records because it’s Bo1 3-3 - Aurelia the Law Above, Krenko’s Buzzcrusher 3-3 - Aurelia the Law Above, Judith Carnage Connoisseur, Ill-Timed Explosion, Hunted Bonebrute 1-3 - Rakdos Patron of Chaos, Aurelia the Law Above 3-3 - Ezrim Agency Chief, Tolsimir Midnight’s Light, Alquist Proft Master Sleuth 2-3 - Lost in the Maze, Doppelgang, Lazav Wearer of Faces, Drag the Canal 1-3 - 2x Doppelgang, Archdruid’s Charm, 2x Flourishing Bloom-Kin 1-3 - Incinerator of the Guilty, Sharp-Eyed Rookie
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Oh lol I just noticed that the clue weapons were in the standard set? Except for the Revolver because of their no gun policy I suppose
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Oh lol I just noticed that the clue weapons were in the standard set? Except for the Revolver because of their no gun policy I suppose there isn't even a revolver card in the box set iirc
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Oh lol I just noticed that the clue weapons were in the standard set? Except for the Revolver because of their no gun policy I suppose There are 6 weapons but only 5 colours, so yeah the revolver is the obvious one to cut to make it a cycle.
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In the spinoff game they do have the six suspects... I guess it makes sense that Mustard would be a gold card
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Boco_T posted:-The “two power or less” cards are all good because basically every card in the set has 2 power or less. That one’s obvious, but it really will own you in many games when you play. Does Assemble the Players work with morphs?
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It does, I cast the Gargoyle using it morphed a little while ago.
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I also posted some thoughts about why the MKM Limited format might feel weird for some people (it definitely does to me) in the Arena thread if you care to check it out. I don't want to crosspost a bunch of images so I'll only link it!
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logis posted:Countersorcery 0 Countersorcery 0 This spell can be cast at instant speed on your turn only. Counter target spell
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Hey, is anyone else playing around with the ARG for the set? I just got caught up and was able to do today's Mystery File on my own (well, the wiki provided the physical portion of the puzzle), and there's a pretty clear pattern forming around the answers. So, while I imagine everyone else doing this has already noticed, each answer points to a different guild, most of which actually identify a monocolored card in MKM as being associated with that guild, either by color pairing, or the older card's faction. The pattern is too clear to be a coincidence at this point. With the thirteenth case requiring the first twelve cases' solutions to solve, it's likely that once all ten guilds have been worked through, the last two puzzles will provide a key, of sorts, for figuring out the rest. Worth noting is that Meddling Youths is the only instance where the guild can be found by looking only at the MKM card, which may become relevant (that they're connected to a Rakdos card seems significant, given that Proft's dossier notes on them in their alt art describes them as "chaotic"; imposters/double agents, possibly, or the break in the pattern could mean that File 2 is one of the "keys" and the actual Boros-related file is still to come). EDIT:Since the wiki hasn't caught up yet, to fully flesh out the context, the connection to today's solution is Pride of Hull Clade, you can see the same door knocker on that card. EclecticTastes fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Feb 9, 2024 |
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Wow this is the most stupidly aggressive limited format since Gatecrash.
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EclecticTastes posted:Hey, is anyone else playing around with the ARG for the set? I just got caught up and was able to do today's Mystery File on my own (well, the wiki provided the physical portion of the puzzle), and there's a pretty clear pattern forming around the answers. if this whole thing points to a Scooby Doo secret lair, I loving swear to god I will laugh so hard I'll poo poo myself A L W A Y S R E M E M B E R T O D R I N K Y O U R O V A L T I N E
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Silhouette posted:if this whole thing points to a Scooby Doo secret lair, I loving swear to god I will laugh so hard I'll poo poo myself It actually occurred to me that the connection there is linked to the set story. In the MKM storyline, Rakdos and Boros nearly go to war over the case. That's probably a more likely explanation.
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Silhouette posted:if this whole thing points to a Scooby Doo secret lair, I loving swear to god I will laugh so hard I'll poo poo myself Sophia, Dogged Detective just released though, and WB following through on anything instead of canceling it seems unlikely.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Sophia, Dogged Detective just released though, and WB following through on anything instead of canceling it seems unlikely. The Secret Lairs were done, printed, and thrown out last minute for tax reasons.
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