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Cactus Ghost posted:i mean... a lack of awareness/avoidance is kinda definitionally what causes controlled flight into terrain, right? otherwise you get controlled flight away from terrain Also CHUB is (was?) a flight planning tool used to identify obstacles and high terrain
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Cactus Ghost posted:you're probably also being given drawings with tolerances that make sense for the parts and their interfaces though funny story here, I hosed up the conversion from metric to imperial once and held parts to .0004 instead of .004 and no i work at a good shop where my manager only tears me a new butthole when I actually gently caress up (hell yeah) Elviscat posted:You would be shocked and amazed at some of the poo poo we get from suppliers. Fluid passages completely blocked by drill points, sharp burrs on every feature... how in the gently caress do you gently caress up a flat surface? im a lathe guy but face mills exist. did someone try to use an end mill to face? that doesnt even make sense with the steps also goddamned spot drill to your final chamfer then send the drill/tap in holy poo poo apparently my shop is great, we would never consider sending a part in that shape
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Has anyone here been intercepted whilst flying? What's it like? I've made the "This the US Air Force on guard..." call to some idiot dentist/doctor/lawyer busting a presidential TFR a couple of times. Usually they don't seem to realize you're talking to them, but then suddenly between radar sweeps they've managed to maneuver their Cessna onto the proper heading and you can practically hear the "Oh gently caress oh gently caress oh gently caress" as they start following directions promptly. I never actually had fighters and idiots on the same missions, sadly.
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Cactus Ghost posted:i mean... a lack of awareness/avoidance is kinda definitionally what causes controlled flight into terrain, right? otherwise you get controlled flight away from terrain In my experience, most safety classes I've had to sit through are "don't drink gasoline, don't chew on hot wires" level of advice.
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Jimong5 posted:In my experience, most safety classes I've had to sit through are "don't drink gasoline, don't chew on hot wires" level of advice. Don't judge my lifestyle.
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goatsestretchgoals posted:funny story here, I hosed up the conversion from metric to imperial once and held parts to .0004 instead of .004 You can gently caress up flatness of an extruded/rolled plate by only lightly facing one side then machining all the bulk off the other side. This will unbalance the internal stresses, potato chipping it or bending it around the rolling direction. Obvs it’s easy to detect .007 out of flat though.
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goatsestretchgoals posted:funny story here, I hosed up the conversion from metric to imperial once and held parts to .0004 instead of .004 They faced with an endmill, yeah, and must have had some really  work or tool holding. We'll probably have our machine shop do it from now on, since those guys are awesome and their parts are always on spec, but it's kinda a waste of time. Apparently good machine shops with aerospace certs are hard to come by these days.
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Godholio posted:I've made the "This the US Air Force on guard..." call Lack of a combination of fighters and idiots makes me picture an intercept in a C-5 or something equally ludicrous. E: "This is a United States Air Force C-5 unarmed cargo craft on guard ..."
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Phanatic posted:Jesus Christ, get it together. What's going on? Employee turnover?
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Aaaaaaarrrrrggggg posted:Lack of a combination of fighters and idiots makes me picture an intercept in a C-5 or something equally ludicrous. Just imagine one pulling up next to then ahead of you though Edit: or under. *plonk* "You have landed on a United States Air Force C-5 cargo craft on guard ..." Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Feb 9, 2024 |
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Godholio posted:I've made the "This the US Air Force on guard..." call to some idiot dentist/doctor/lawyer busting a presidential TFR a couple of times. Usually they don't seem to realize you're talking to them, but then suddenly between radar sweeps they've managed to maneuver their Cessna onto the proper heading and you can practically hear the "Oh gently caress oh gently caress oh gently caress" as they start following directions promptly. I never actually had fighters and idiots on the same missions, sadly. (It was ok, once we figured out they meant us I sent them a message in mIRC to stop being weird and maybe query a transponder before making calls.)
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So, the Army just up and canceled FARA, announced in a brief statement after close of business last night. Looks like they’re putting more resources into drones plus more Blackhawks and Chinooks and upgrades for same. The V-280 program will continue.
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Godholio posted:I've made the "This the US Air Force on guard..." call to some idiot dentist/doctor/lawyer busting a presidential TFR a couple of times. Usually they don't seem to realize you're talking to them, but then suddenly between radar sweeps they've managed to maneuver their Cessna onto the proper heading and you can practically hear the "Oh gently caress oh gently caress oh gently caress" as they start following directions promptly. I never actually had fighters and idiots on the same missions, sadly. I’ve heard this a couple dozen times, but I’ve also heard the “Cirrus aircraft ten miles north of Stuart you have been intercepted by an armed air defense fighter, turn north immediately” call, which tends to be even more attention-grabbing.
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has nobody thought to mount a marine foghorn on a weapon pod?
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I wonder if anyone has quit flying from the shame of being intercepted.
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There’s audio of a lot of intercepts on YouTube. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnAcI07SWMw
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So what's going to replace the AH-64 now?
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Volkova III posted:So what's going to replace the AH-64 now? Yet another Cheyenne/Commanche/whatever development program that is canceled after at most a few prototypes. The Apache, Blackhawk, and Chinook will be the Army’s B-52H, and fly for a century before being replaced by Terminator HKs being flown by AI.
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Volkova III posted:So what's going to replace the AH-64 now? Let me tell you about the AH-64E Version 6.5… In seriousness brand new AH-64s will roll off production lines into the late 2020s and then fly for decades. The advent of JAGM-MR lets Apaches reach out twice compared to Hellfires and air launched effects (the army-rear end name for launching little drones that range from jammers to attackers to ISR from helicopters and trucks) all combine to make a new helicopter that’s expensive, somewhat lower detection profile, but much faster less appealing.
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I wouldn't be the slightest suprised if Drones don't eventually end up taking over from manned Attack Helicopters in that role. In fact I'd be amazed if they didn't.
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lol i forgot that the army names all its helicopters after people they genocided
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Elviscat posted:They faced with an endmill, yeah, and must have had some really They're probably just used to making things to Boeing spec, if you want Cessna precision you have to request it specifically.
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mlmp08 posted:Let me tell you about the AH-64E Version 6.5… What do we use then to escort the much faster FLRAA?
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Mortabis posted:What do we use then to escort the much faster FLRAA? Mission planning and combined arms.
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hobbesmaster posted:This must’ve been an interesting flight to be on. (not my picture) 
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Has anyone here been intercepted whilst flying? What's it like? I wasn't intercepted specifically, but I was flying in a tight (1nm wide) corridor with Predator traffic off to one side and live weapons fire off to the other side and had some AH-64s toodle on up next to me and pace me for a bit. I mostly think it was helicopter guys having fun pacing a fixed-wing. I was in a C172, mind, so cruise speed around 110mph; the helicopters seemed not to mind so much. No calls on the radio because I wasn't violating anything. Just, like, casually interceptedish.
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“gently caress! They better not have set this thing to 7500.”
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:I wasn't intercepted specifically, but I was flying in a tight (1nm wide) corridor with Predator traffic off to one side and live weapons fire off to the other side We were taking off from our test range at Boscombe Downe one time and it was getting on towards dusk and we were right next to the artillery range where they were still doing live-fire and I was looking down out of the ramp and seeing shells impacting what looked like directly below us even thought it really wasn't and it was one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen.
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:I wasn't intercepted specifically, but I was flying in a tight (1nm wide) corridor with Predator traffic off to one side and live weapons fire off to the other side and had some AH-64s toodle on up next to me and pace me for a bit. I mostly think it was helicopter guys having fun pacing a fixed-wing. I was in a C172, mind, so cruise speed around 110mph; the helicopters seemed not to mind so much. Just making you feel unwelcome.
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Aaaaaaarrrrrggggg posted:Lack of a combination of fighters and idiots makes me picture an intercept in a C-5 or something equally ludicrous. This was about 15 years ago, so procedures have changed, but at the time there just weren't always fighters assigned. Depending on what ground facilities and radar coverage was available, we'd either send a controller to an ATC facility, or an AWACS might be tasked to absolute boredom. I was sitting in a TRACON with a secret service agent, no fighters, but this guy was making phone calls to ensure the errant dentists were welcomed appropriately at their destination airfields. Networking has progressed over the years (and honestly we had a lot of this capability back then but nobody used it) so a lot of this stuff is handled directly by EADS and WADS. If you've noticed, the audio from most of these events includes either the Huntress or Bigfoot callsigns.
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Godholio posted:This was about 15 years ago, so procedures have changed, but at the time there just weren't always fighters assigned. Depending on what ground facilities and radar coverage was available, we'd either send a controller to an ATC facility, or an AWACS might be tasked to absolute boredom. For those that are not air battle managers or giant nerds that listen to ATC YouTube channels or (god forbid) raw radio transmissions, huntress is the eastern air defense sector’s callsign (Rome AFB) and Bigfoot is the west coast’s counterpart (McCord AFB). “Radio hobbyists” compile lists that of all used callsigns transmitted in the clear (in CONUS that’ll always be the case when civilian ATC is involved). Here’s a giant one https://henney.com/chm/callsign.htm
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hobbesmaster posted:For those that are not air battle managers or giant nerds that listen to ATC YouTube channels or (god forbid) raw radio transmissions, huntress is the eastern air defense sector’s callsign (Rome AFB) and Bigfoot is the west coast’s counterpart (McCord AFB). Some good ones there: AMERICAN MUSCLE GRUMPY GUMBY GUNSHY HULA DANCER MIGHTY BOLWEVIL TOUGH GUY TUXEDO PYRAMID
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if my manager told me my radio callsign was AMERICAN MUSCLE i'd probably quit my job now MIGHTY BOLWEVIL and TUXEDO PYRAMID i can get behind
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The neat thing about being in the military is, once you've gotten that far, it's no longer voluntary.
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Cactus Ghost posted:if my manager told me my radio callsign was AMERICAN MUSCLE i'd probably quit my job What about MOON FLOWER, or maybe CREAM CITY
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Cactus Ghost posted:im not in the military I see you've played good-reasons-to-join-the-military before
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EasilyConfused posted:GUMBY That one can fly into any book with his C-130 pal POKEY too.
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I assume many of those are sort of one offs or training call signs. I haven’t seen a shall we say “frequency chart” anywhere. The ANG/reserve location based ones are pretty fun. For example the C-130 squadrons at MSP use VIKING and PACKER.
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