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Internet Old One
Dec 6, 2021

Coke Adds Life

Big Bowie Bonanza posted:

I am like 90% sure companies like Rocket Money are using AI to contact our web chat support to negotiate bills because we keep having SUPER WEIRD chat interactions with our agents that aren’t our normal “Indian/filipino paid to do it” situation. We don’t use AI at all for our web chat system so it’s actually just making GBS threads up regular people’s ability to contact us

I used to imagine a future where semi-intelligent computers had conversations that were beyond human comprehension both because of their unfathomable complexity and totally alien motives. Silently humming along somehow driving the background for humans.

Instead we have computers that get stupider from talking to each other with the goal of ripping each other off.

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Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



PostNouveau posted:

This was the state of things like 4-5 years ago.

In the last couple of years, Google has rolled out something called the Helpful Content Update, which requires another huge binder full of criteria for the quality raters to use. Great to hear they've laid all these people off; I'm sure that's going to do wonders for search results quality.

Oh hey, there's a shittier thing I noticed this week: google has started returning shopping results as the default. As in pricing and store ratings, notnjust shops getting pushed to the top of the search results. Google was already nearly unusable, now it's worse.

I feel like I almost want to go back to a 1994 yahoo style curated yellow pages for the Internet instead of this.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Random Stranger posted:

Oh hey, there's a shittier thing I noticed this week: google has started returning shopping results as the default. As in pricing and store ratings, notnjust shops getting pushed to the top of the search results. Google was already nearly unusable, now it's worse.

I feel like I almost want to go back to a 1994 yahoo style curated yellow pages for the Internet instead of this.

Yeah, that's been another big swing recently. If Google can interpret your search in a way that allows it to show Shopping Ads, it WILL interpret it that way. Those ads are way more effective than Google's display ads or search results ads, but they are only allowed for e-commerce websites. So you may have a search where you have no intention of going to an e-commerce site, like maybe you want to find a store or a service in your area, but Google's just like "Oh, you want to buy raw materials for the job? Want to buy this crap from a dropshipper? Buy buy buy now now now!"

Time_pants
Jun 25, 2012

Now sauntering to the ring, please welcome the lackadaisical style of the man who is always doing something...

Big Bowie Bonanza posted:

Also yeah get into your local music scene. There’s tons of great bands you can see for $15-20 out there. I’ve gotten to see dozens of incredible bands that’ll probably be big later in the last year for cheap. You are definitely gonna get gouged by your favorite oldies act every time they need money. It’s just how it goes.

I want to echo the recommendation about checking out your local scene for entertainment. WWE tickets run well over $100 when they come to town. AEW is a bit cheaper with decent tickets in the $50-$80 range, but we've got a pro wrestling school in the area, and they put on shows for $15 and I think they're at least as much fun as any of the bigger promotions' shows.

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


Eventually most people will be priced out of pop culture. Being able to entertain yourself and others with your own talent and resources will become increasingly important as capitalism retreats into protected enclaves and the rest is left to collapse.

Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go



Scroll to the tiny print at the bottom of the email to unsubscribe from the thing I never subscribed to in the first place (isn't that supposed to be illegal in the EU?), only to discover that the "click here" is not a link. There is nothing to click. I cannot find any way to unsubscribe.

I'm so angry about this that I'm never buying their stupid socks again (I was already half expecting to discover that they have gotten way shittier since the last time I bought a bunch nearly a decade ago, with my last remaining pair finally succumbing to a hole)

Internet Old One
Dec 6, 2021

Coke Adds Life

Random Stranger posted:

Oh hey, there's a shittier thing I noticed this week: google has started returning shopping results as the default. As in pricing and store ratings, notnjust shops getting pushed to the top of the search results. Google was already nearly unusable, now it's worse.

I feel like I almost want to go back to a 1994 yahoo style curated yellow pages for the Internet instead of this.

A lot of people have been thinking that. I’ve had an idea kicking around about how I’d make one for like a year now.

I don’t know if it will be a success but someone is gonna drop one soon.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Internet Old One posted:

A lot of people have been thinking that. I’ve had an idea kicking around about how I’d make one for like a year now.

I don’t know if it will be a success but someone is gonna drop one soon.

There are 8,000 of those already. There is a service businesses can buy called Yext that puts their information in all of them at once. No one actually uses them, the real benefit is Google sees you in them and it reinforces your address and phone number in Google's mind.

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012
Can you punch a name? Asking for a friend

purplestuffedworm
Oct 11, 2012
The filter by dimensions option on every website is completely broken, because apparently it is still impossible for e-commerce websites not to confuse width, height, and depth in the year 2024. Searching for a storage cabinet, set the depth slider to 60 cm deep or greater, all my results are for furniture that's only like 40 cm deep but 80 cm wide or 75 cm tall.
Maybe this has always been lovely but this is my first time buying new furniture and appliances that aren't IKEA.
Actually IKEA is the exception to this, their search works great.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

purplestuffedworm posted:

The filter by dimensions option on every website is completely broken, because apparently it is still impossible for e-commerce websites not to confuse width, height, and depth in the year 2024. Searching for a storage cabinet, set the depth slider to 60 cm deep or greater, all my results are for furniture that's only like 40 cm deep but 80 cm wide or 75 cm tall.
Maybe this has always been lovely but this is my first time buying new furniture and appliances that aren't IKEA.
Actually IKEA is the exception to this, their search works great.

I was going to post something similar to this but then forgot... but shopping sites' metadata/properties generally. Amazon is obviously bottom of the barrel - I've seen screwdriver sets listed as like €45.00 (€13.69/100g), as if I buy my screwdrivers at the pick'n'mix.

But even "specialist" shops are often pretty terrible. No "diameter" categories in the saw blade section. Or choose "blue" and get a bunch of stuff that isn't blue, but excludes a load of blue things that are listed as something else. Just loads of disparate things thrown into a data bucket with no human thought about how to categorise them.

And breadcrumbs (I think that's what they're called?) - like Home > Power Tools > Accessories > Saw Blades > Circular Saw Blades. That works if you start on the home page, but if you end up on a specific item page after a Google KagiTM search, and you think "what other circular saw blades do they have", there are no breadcrumbs.

Yes I'm mad about online shopping today.

credburn
Jun 22, 2016
President, Founder of the Brent Spiner Fan Club
I've been able to get my Ritalin prescription refilled only one time in the last year. I'm supposed to take two pills a day, but I've been rationing them out, using them only when I'm devoting an entire day to nothing but studying or something. But it makes the rest of my week kind of hard to navigate. The shortage has been going on since 2022 and there doesn't seem to be an estimate of when it'll end.

My pharmacists tell me I could call around, but "it's out everywhere."

dreezy
Mar 4, 2015

yeah, rip.
just made a vending machine completely reboot by performing the wholly unforeseeable interaction of typing in the 3 digit item number on the touch screen

software is all such complete poo poo and i trust nothing to work correctly

bossy lady
Jul 9, 1983

credburn posted:

I've been able to get my Ritalin prescription refilled only one time in the last year. I'm supposed to take two pills a day, but I've been rationing them out, using them only when I'm devoting an entire day to nothing but studying or something. But it makes the rest of my week kind of hard to navigate. The shortage has been going on since 2022 and there doesn't seem to be an estimate of when it'll end.

My pharmacists tell me I could call around, but "it's out everywhere."

I didn't know about this so I looked it up to see what's causing the shortage

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/adhd-drug-shortage-adderall-ritalin-focalin-vyvanse-rcna137356 posted:

Drugmakers and the Drug Enforcement Administration, which regulates controlled substances, are pointing fingers at one another for the problem, said Erin Fox, senior pharmacy director at the University of Utah Health.

Makers of ADHD drugs say they don’t have enough ingredients to make the drugs and need permission from the DEA to make more. The DEA is insisting that drugmakers have not met their quota for production and could make more of the drugs if they wanted. Adderall is a controlled substance regulated by DEA, which sets limits on how much of the active ingredient drugmakers are allowed to produce in a given time frame. Drugmakers must get approval from the DEA before they go over their quotas.

Kind of a stupid problem to have IMO

LimaBiker
Dec 9, 2020




Sounds like a great moment for the black market to supply a desperate market with unknown quality drugs, sigh.

Southern Cassowary
Jan 3, 2023

purplestuffedworm posted:

The filter by dimensions option on every website is completely broken, because apparently it is still impossible for e-commerce websites not to confuse width, height, and depth in the year 2024. Searching for a storage cabinet, set the depth slider to 60 cm deep or greater, all my results are for furniture that's only like 40 cm deep but 80 cm wide or 75 cm tall.
Maybe this has always been lovely but this is my first time buying new furniture and appliances that aren't IKEA.
Actually IKEA is the exception to this, their search works great.

this reminds me

i was trying to see if i could find a plastic container with very specific dimensions - 13-14 inches long, 7-8 inches wide, 5-6 inches tall, has a lid. this is loving impossible to google - even sites for places like the container store, where they have all of these options for search parameters, choke on this very simple query

edit: also just remembered my main issues with fishing tackle websites

i want to be able to search for a fishing rod via rod length, power, and action, and have it spit out rod models at me that fit these parameters. the fact that tackle warehouse can't just show me all the medium-heavy moderate fast rods around 7'4" is insane. i can only do that kind of filtering in curated popularity sections, or looking at rods by brand first

now there's a startup trying to get into this field - omnia fishing. their whole big idea is they're collecting data from people via fishing reports so that you can go there, say you're from x state, and they'll tell you what people are fishing with in what season so you can get a more curated experience with some ai bullshit. now, if i go there and search for a bladed jig/lipless rod, they just show me a bunch of rod lines and don't say which model they suggest for that technique in that line, and there's also some wack ai-based tackle suggestor that has the dumbest suggestions imaginable for no-brainer poo poo. other than getting a sense of what people are fishing with (oh wow, people are fishing with black/blue and junebug plastic worms in florida, who could have guessed) their website is a poorly designed quagmire that just makes it harder to find poo poo, all in the name of data collection.

naturally, their rod search also does not allow me to make this very simple comparison. but the ai can tell me to buy some weird worm floats i've literally never heard of another human using!

Southern Cassowary fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Feb 9, 2024

Dip Viscous
Sep 17, 2019

dreezy posted:

just made a vending machine completely reboot by performing the wholly unforeseeable interaction of typing in the 3 digit item number on the touch screen

software is all such complete poo poo and i trust nothing to work correctly

One of the vending machines at work has to regularly download updates and reboot and takes ~45 minutes to come back up. From what I can tell from watching it boot, they have the full desktop Ubuntu jammed on there.

It sells sandwiches.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

The internet is pretty much dead yeah . I wonder if print will come back or it’s just straight to mad max

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

euphronius posted:

The internet is pretty much dead yeah . I wonder if print will come back or it’s just straight to mad max

The Return of Zines

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


euphronius posted:

The internet is pretty much dead yeah . I wonder if print will come back or it’s just straight to mad max

A bit of column A, a bit of column B, unfolding slowly and chaotically over decades. The further you are from a big city and the less wealth you have, the sooner you will lose modern amenities.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

youtube search results now return the same videos multiple times as you scroll down. Fun.

Dip Viscous
Sep 17, 2019

It does that even for my subscription feed. Most of the time when it happens it also unsubscribes me from channels at random.

Canine Blues Arooo
Jan 7, 2008

when you think about it...i'm the first girl you ever spent the night with

Grimey Drawer
I keep thinking Youtube can't actually get any worse, but I guess Google is really good at Delighting and Surprising me!

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Youtubes subscription feed went from grouping by day, to 24 hours, to just a big grid. I don't use it nearly as much anymore. Maybe that was the point to get me to pay more attention to the main page by making my subscriptions worse to look at.

Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Feb 10, 2024

TrashMammal
Nov 10, 2022

Random Stranger posted:

Oh hey, there's a shittier thing I noticed this week: google has started returning shopping results as the default. As in pricing and store ratings, notnjust shops getting pushed to the top of the search results. Google was already nearly unusable, now it's worse.

I feel like I almost want to go back to a 1994 yahoo style curated yellow pages for the Internet instead of this.

kagi, yo. it’s great. if you can’t get your employer to pay for it, you can cheat it on trials w/ a burner email every 100 searches. kind of a hassle but worth it

^^^highly recommended. give it a shot the next time google is massively pissing you off

Canine Blues Arooo
Jan 7, 2008

when you think about it...i'm the first girl you ever spent the night with

Grimey Drawer
I'm still simping for Kagi too. Some of its utilities aren't as good as Google, but it's raw search is just better at this point, especially after you spend ten minutes blacklisting bullshit.

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL
(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ♥(‘∀’●)

LimaBiker posted:

Sounds like a great moment for the black market to supply a desperate market with unknown quality drugs, sigh.

They have been, for a very long time, it's called crystal meth

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Duck and Cover posted:

Youtubes subscription feed went grouping by day, to 24 hours, to just a big grid. I don't use it nearly as much anymore. Maybe that was the point to get me to pay more attention to the main page by making my subscriptions worse to look at.

I just use Alerts now to find the latest stuff the people I actually watch have released

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

Dip Viscous posted:

It sells sandwiches.

Not for 45 randomly determined minutes per day it doesn't!

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

bossy lady posted:

I didn't know about this so I looked it up to see what's causing the shortage

Kind of a stupid problem to have IMO

The article didn't spell it out, but I'm guessing one of three situations, all caused by production allocations being determined long-term and refreshed annually:

1: Big-brand owners want to get fuckin' paid, and so bribe companies to delay production so that insurers have to OK their stuff as well as generic, or have angry customers.

2: companies observing that there is a limited pool for production both in the global sense and the "by them" sense, and realised that the best way to get maximum profit out of fixed quantities of product is in a shortage situation.

3: companies wanting to force change / removal of regulations via public debacle.

All of the above come with the disadvantage of pissing off the DEA, but how hard could it be to outthink the chucklefucks who came up with a system like that to begin with?

r u ready to WALK
Sep 29, 2001

quote:

Thank you for being a Ring Protect Basic subscriber. We want to let you know about an upcoming change to your subscription.
Starting 11 March 2024, the price of Ring
Protect Basic will change from $39.99/year to $49.99/year per device.
:tizzy:

quote:

We noticed you're cancelling your yearly Ring Protect Basic effective 7 August 2024.

You can still receive live alerts from your device, but you won’t have the ability to review, save and share any video recordings.

We’re sorry to see you go! You can always log in at Ring.com and select My Plans from the account menu to add a new Ring Protect Plan for your device.

They did a $10 greed hike last year too

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

PostNouveau posted:

Yeah, that's been another big swing recently. If Google can interpret your search in a way that allows it to show Shopping Ads, it WILL interpret it that way. Those ads are way more effective than Google's display ads or search results ads, but they are only allowed for e-commerce websites. So you may have a search where you have no intention of going to an e-commerce site, like maybe you want to find a store or a service in your area, but Google's just like "Oh, you want to buy raw materials for the job? Want to buy this crap from a dropshipper? Buy buy buy now now now!"

Google posted the highest revenue & profits in its history last quarter. And massive growth. Stock was at an all time high. Lots of the tech giants did similarly well.

They took a huge gambit with the enshitification and it really worked out for them so I think the lesson here is that enshitification=profit and they learned this lesson very well now.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Our modelling tells us our customers will pay +$10/mth like loving the modern serfs they are and gently caress them, gently caress them, the shareholders will be happy and the CEO gets a cool bonus.

Everyone is coming to the realization that they can just charge more and people will pay it instead of cancelling

buffbus
Nov 19, 2012

Wendigee posted:

Lol Kansas is outsourcing it's tornadoes to the north and south east it seems like. Hope you guys got basements there! I know they don't in the south.

Enjoy!

Moved from the Milwaukee area to South Carolina in 2017 and specifically looked for a place with a full basement. Since the tornados seemed to follow me here we just have friends over and hang out in the basement a few times a year when tornados come and gently caress things up.

Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

ふっっっっっっっっっっっっck

r u ready to WALK posted:

:tizzy:

They did a $10 greed hike last year too

I can't believe they're enshittifying the Amazon Panopticon

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
somewhere in Amazon HQ

'sir, fewer and fewer people are emulating Goatse. yes, that's right... no Ring.'

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Professor Shark posted:

Our modelling tells us our customers will pay +$10/mth like loving the modern serfs they are and gently caress them, gently caress them, the shareholders will be happy and the CEO gets a cool bonus.

Everyone is coming to the realization that they can just charge more and people will pay it instead of cancelling

Netflix ended sharing and they got more signups. The piggies can’t wait to be gouged.

Large Testicles
Jun 1, 2020

[ASK] ME ABOUT MY LOVE FOR 1'S

skooma512 posted:

Netflix ended sharing and they got more signups. The piggies can’t wait to be gouged.

i share all sorts of streaming accounts with my mom and my sister and i live on the other side of the country as them and i've never encountered this issue despite sites saying poo poo like this. i don't doubt the enshitification, i just haven't experienced it

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
What is any other word in the format en____fication? Its got the same energy as whilst and m'lady.

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AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

Salt Fish posted:

What is any other word in the format en____fication? Its got the same energy as whilst and m'lady.

Cory Doctorow was paid off by big business to make the term for it cringe as heck to make it harder to catch on :tinfoil:

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