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Britain would be lovely if it weren't for the English
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lol why are people hating on the british landscape. its just nature. you don't need to dunk on it. it didnt have an empire and slavery and poo poo. its just trees and rocks
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Feb 9, 2024 15:18
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:lol why are people hating on the british landscape. its just nature. you don't need to dunk on it. it didnt have an empire and slavery and poo poo. its just trees and rocks
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Feb 9, 2024 15:22
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:lol why are people hating on the british landscape. its just nature. you don't need to dunk on it. it didnt have an empire and slavery and poo poo. its just trees and rocks *points to rock* CANCELLED
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Feb 9, 2024 17:22
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It can't help it, it's got hundreds of years of bad vibes accumulated from British people living on it. 
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Feb 9, 2024 18:07
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They have a terrible habit of pouring concrete on literally anything but they haven't covered the entire island yet
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Feb 9, 2024 18:12
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I can't wait til Everest is the world's highest parking lot. Sherpa valets.
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Feb 9, 2024 18:32
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:lol why are people hating on the british landscape. its just nature. you don't need to dunk on it. it didnt have an empire and slavery and poo poo. its just trees and rocks to be fair, most of it is nature - most of the nature. It's been densely settled by farming people for 5000+ years, there's literally no truly natural landscape left. There's some cool rewilding projects going on in Scotland and elsewhere though, and even the more stripped mountain landscapes are very beautiful even if they are sheep-grazed deserts
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Feb 9, 2024 19:19
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:lol why are people hating on the british landscape. its just nature. you don't need to dunk on it. it didnt have an empire and slavery and poo poo. its just trees and rocks Not very many trees anymore, I'm afraid  the deforestation across most of Europe is just appalling, especially of old growth forests which are the most impressive ones
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Feb 9, 2024 19:30
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The US is also missing like 90% of its old growth forests, but it's just a much vaster country and a lot of the wilderness areas were only lightly modified by indigenous peoples before european settlers came, so it's more "unspoiled".  Note that this is a map of old growth loss, not tree loss: a decent chunk of the old growth forest is replaced with new growth. This continent has also had people living on it since the last ice age, but population density was lower, and it didn't get deforested to build ships in the 1600s although they sure gave it a try. That said, "unspoiledness" or even "has trees" isn't the only factor that determines whether a landscape is majestic. IMO. There's not many trees you can see from Everest summit, either. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Feb 9, 2024 |
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Feb 9, 2024 19:41
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:hating on the british because, british
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Feb 9, 2024 20:11
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Leperflesh posted:The US is also missing like 90% of its old growth forests, but it's just a much vaster country and a lot of the wilderness areas were only lightly modified by indigenous peoples before european settlers came, so it's more "unspoiled". I was driving around rural Oregon and saw a sign where they had harvested a forest like 5 or 6 times over the past 120+ years (forgive me, I was driving and not taking pictures). They also stated that Oregon produces the most lumber, and has more trees now than they did 100 years ago. It gave me some hope, anyways.
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Feb 9, 2024 20:19
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I'm going to be the first person to plant a tree on the summit once climate change gets rid of all that nasty ice and snow up there.
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Feb 9, 2024 20:19
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A thread about stepping over people slowly suffocating to death and this is what I find depressing
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Feb 9, 2024 20:26
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Leperflesh posted:There's not many trees you can see from Everest summit, either. Yeah thanks to mountaineers 
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Feb 9, 2024 20:31
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Nocheez posted:I was driving around rural Oregon and saw a sign where they had harvested a forest like 5 or 6 times over the past 120+ years (forgive me, I was driving and not taking pictures). They also stated that Oregon produces the most lumber, and has more trees now than they did 100 years ago. It gave me some hope, anyways. It's not that hopeful. Forests planted for harvest are 99.9% of the time just total monocultures of the same tree, they sorta resemble a forest from far away but they don't support the habitat for a huge range of plants and animals and fungi that were there in the natural original forestland. That monoculture also makes them super vulnerable to pests: see pine borer beetle killing vast swathes of artificial forestland, and acting as incubators so it can also attack the pines in those few remaining pockets of old growth. Rewilding is a thing, and there are test cases being done here and there, but for the most part national forest service plantations are there for the wood industry first and foremost. Better than just paving everything over, for sure, but not "great."
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Feb 9, 2024 20:43
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nothing has taught me more about deforestation in early America than the game Banished. oh, i need some trees, let me just cut some down. there's plenty! and then you have to go farther and farther away to get logs until you've clearcut everything you can access
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Feb 9, 2024 21:05
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This thread has also been about book recommendations so go read The Golden Spruce to get real depressed about logging
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aardvaard posted:nothing has taught me more about deforestation in early America than the game Banished. oh, i need some trees, let me just cut some down. there's plenty! and then you have to go farther and farther away to get logs until you've clearcut everything you can access There was a point where the federal government, around Teddy Roosevelt's term, started trying to protect some forestlands and it drove a mad scramble by companies to claim and log as much as they could to try and stay ahead of that effort. Just madly chopping down everything so it wouldn't get protected in time. One of the driving forces for getting rail run west was to improve access to the trees faster than the competition.
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Feb 9, 2024 22:48
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Circa 5000 years ago, large parts of England were temperate rainforest. There's a couple of acres of temperate rainforest left; all the rest was removed to make way for agriculture.
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Feb 9, 2024 22:49
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and to build ships so many ships
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Feb 9, 2024 22:51
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Shoehead posted:A thread about stepping over people slowly suffocating to death and this is what I find depressing The trees didn't choose their fate, the climbers made a conscious effort and spent a great deal of money for theirs.
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Feb 9, 2024 23:34
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Leperflesh posted:and to build ships i read somewhere that there's a joint navy/coastguard forest somewhere in the midwest that's used to keep their two wooden-hulled ships seaworthy and it takes a shockingly huge amount of land to sustainably harvest enough. for two ships. that are already built. it's amazing there are any trees left anywhere
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a significant function of the british empire's colonies was to harvest and send back to england vast quantities of wood for shipbuilding to maintain a military fleet substantial enough to maintain the british empire against the other colonial powers, especially spain like a single ship of the line took thousands of mature oak trees to build, trees that take a century or more to grow to a useful size
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Feb 9, 2024 23:48
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Conversely France may have some nice spots but unfortunately the entire country is smeared with dogshit
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knox_harrington posted:Conversely France may have some nice spots but unfortunately the entire country is smeared with dogshit they've innovated something i have never seen elsewhere though, little fenced off dog poo sections of parks. like a litter box the size of a parking space or two, so the dogs can poo poo in a separate area. i want to see more of this
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Maybe people could innovate the ability to clean up after their dogs? My favorite is the bag of poo poo on the side of the trail. Every time someone posts this to Facebook there's a dozen 'but we pick them up on the way home!' when that's clearly not the case. There's trails so covered in poo poo and rubbish they look like Everest Basecamp.
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I pack my dog poo poo up to Basecamp
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We need to put a dog on the summit of Everest, it's the last First
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Leperflesh posted:Tangental, but a while ago a few folks made charitable donations and I got this endearingly low-key email today from one of them, APA Sherpa Foundation: two weeks late, but this is honestly the best thing I have seen on this site
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Feb 10, 2024 02:05
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poo poo yeah throw them $20 if you can, like $20 goes a long way in Nepal when it comes to like kids lunches and warm underwear etc.
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Deep Glove Bruno posted:they've innovated something i have never seen elsewhere though, little fenced off dog poo sections of parks. like a litter box the size of a parking space or two, so the dogs can poo poo in a separate area. i want to see more of this 
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Feb 10, 2024 02:20
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it's a question mark. It's on your keyboard
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jesus christ dude, you didnt need to kill him
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it's a fair cop
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Feb 10, 2024 11:36
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Feels like this joke was stolen from another goon We're not 4chan. Do better, goons.
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Feb 10, 2024 11:48
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credburn posted:Feels like this joke was stolen from another goon Turn on ur monitor
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Feb 10, 2024 14:54
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Leperflesh posted:The US is also missing like 90% of its old growth forests, but it's just a much vaster country and a lot of the wilderness areas were only lightly modified by indigenous peoples before european settlers came, so it's more "unspoiled". There's no way that map is accurate. Olympic National Park in Washington has huge swaths of unlogged old growth rain forest that don't show up on it. There's national forest land that was unfortunately not protected but Olympic National Park is big enough that it should show up on that map. https://www.nps.gov/articles/loggingolympicwwii.htm#:~:text=The%20Hoh%20River%20and%20Bogachiel,land%20known%20as%20Queets%20Corridor. https://www.ijpr.org/show/the-jefferson-exchange/2022-10-04/wed-8-30-researchers-make-a-map-of-all-old-growth-forest-in-lower-48 https://www.oldgrowthforest.net/washington
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credburn posted:Feels like this joke was stolen from another goon much like your posting
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