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IncredibleIgloo posted:I can shoot that stuff raw, but if I am doing more than a few models I add a little bit of flow improver. With primer you can use a bigger needle as well, which somewhat reduces the need to thin the Vallejo grey primer. I've been following Vince's guide which is like 4:1 thinner (his mix) on a 3mm needle. Good to know you can just use a bigger needle. I never thought to try honestly, but I haven't put a ton of time thinking through about how airbrushes work to start developing some instincts about how to use them effectively.
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Slyphic posted:Obnoxious hipster take, I make it a point not to photograph or judge my minis in any kind of controlled optimal lighting environment (unless it's a competition submission). I paint for play, so I deliberately want to see and share what they look like as they will when we're gaming. given how photographs immediately show up all the mistakes that you don't really notice on the table, I understand that urge.
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Lostconfused posted:Yeah thanks, I'll try that next time. I haven't done any experimenting yet, but I did do some more research on this since I'm also experimenting with airbrushing Contrast-type paints, and here is what I learned: -Thinner: contains alcohol, which is great for quick dry time between coats, but also can cause tip dry -Flow Improver: basically a surfactant, great because it helps prevent tip dry and allows for layers to have a longer drying time (which can help with various things), but overuse of it can cause airbrushed layers to take a long time to dry One suggestion I'd read was to have a mix of thinner and flow improver, anywhere from 90% thinner/10% flow improver, to 60/40 (depending on your particular project's needs). Various people had said they altered the mix depending on what they were airbrushing; basecoats and such usually had more thinner, while inks and Contrast-type paints had more flow improver added to the mix (to allow those types of paints more time to flow and dry evenly). Hopefully I'll get some time to experiment with that here this week. This is probably one of those "well duh" kind of things for anyone who's been using an airbrush for a long while, but as someone who's primarily been using it for priming, basecoating, and varnishing, I'm interested in figuring out some new ways to use it. 
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I would say that it's also ok to be upset and unhappy sometimes when you're painting. Especially when starting out, since you will run into a frustrating problems of paint not working the way you expect it or want it to, your art tools not working as well as you would like or giving you some other problems. And that's on top of mistakes you'll be making. The important bit is not to get discouraged forever. Being unhappy and giving yourself some space and taking a break is ok. As long as you get back to it later when you feel like painting again. As a beginner you're more sensitive to this stuff, but with enough time I imagine you should be able to reach a point where you're comfortable with the quality of your work so you can be happy with how your miniature looks instead of thinking "i'll never be that good".
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Hey guys. What's the consensus on thinning down Citadel metallic paints? I've heard from some people that they don't need to be thinned, but that sounds like a great way to get clumpy textures. I usually undercoat with black or blue so it takes a few coats regardless, but dayum. Any recommendations for other brands?
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Feb 10, 2024 22:31
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vallejo metal color is the best. scale75 is pretty good too
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Scale 75 has some absolute winners that VMC doesn’t make, such as decayed metal.
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Good to know. My friend showed me some Vallejo metallic hat went on in one coat. Is thinning down Citadel metallics still the move, though?
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You definitely should thin citadel metallics a little, as they’re (mostly) quite gloopy. You can use water if you’d like, but sparingly. For paid options, if you try a little matte medium (liquitex, golden, lahmian medium) it’ll help a bit as well. Some people also like a single drop of Vallejo flow improver as a good option too. For all of the above, I’d recommend doing not on a wet palette to start with, as you’ll want to work out your consistency as you experiment, and the wet palette will consistently be adding liquid to the equation.
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Aliensandwich posted:Hey guys. What's the consensus on thinning down Citadel metallic paints? I've heard from some people that they don't need to be thinned, but that sounds like a great way to get clumpy textures. I usually undercoat with black or blue so it takes a few coats regardless, but dayum. Duncan uses a small amount of water. I’ve tried thinning before like regular paints and it gives poor results. So I guess a little?
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jesus WEP posted:vallejo metal color is the best. scale75 is pretty good too Your probably right, but I do like Vallejo metal air too
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Ok, so liquitex ink does reactivate when speedpaint goes on top of it. Varnishing isn't a waste of time there, so don't be lazy I guess.
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Yeast posted:You definitely should thin citadel metallics a little, as they’re (mostly) quite gloopy. You can use water if you’d like, but sparingly. Ah yeah I think putting those metallic paints on my wet palette is what has been causing the problem.
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Aliensandwich posted:Good to know. My friend showed me some Vallejo metallic hat went on in one coat. The move is to throw them away or use them to drybrush weather things. Then buy some Vallejo metal color for steels, and AK or Scale75 for golds. Or use yellow contrast paint on steel color VMC
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Spanish Manlove posted:The move is to throw them away or use them to drybrush weather things. Then buy some Vallejo metal color for steels, and AK or Scale75 for golds. Or use yellow contrast paint on steel color VMC this is nonsense, the citadel metallics range from basically fine to best in class, particularly Retributor Gold
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That class just happens to be ‘best of the rest’
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Yeast posted:That class just happens to be ‘best of the rest’ retributor gold is genuinely excellent
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Vallejo Metal Color steel is very nice, premium color metallic black is good if you want steel but even darker. Two Thin Coats spartan bronze goes on nice and smooth in a single coat oddly enough, but it's very matte for metallic paint. Vallejo game air or whatever bronze is a brighter and shinier version of that.
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Cease to Hope posted:retributor gold is genuinely excellent yeah it's probably the best one they do, and it's ok, but (imo) Scale 75 Dwarven gold is a better covering, finer mica warm gold.
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Aliensandwich posted:Is thinning down Citadel metallics still the move, though? Spanish Manlove posted:The move is to throw them away or use them to drybrush weather things. Then buy some Vallejo metal color for steels, and AK or Scale75 for golds. Or use yellow contrast paint on steel color VMC This is a kind of lovely answer to that question tbh. Citadel metallics arent best in show or anything, but they also arent unusable trash. They're pretty much the textbook definition of "basically fine". Their coverage is fine, their opacity is fine, they are a little thick out the pot for my taste but thats not unusual for citadel paints. They'll absolutely do the job of making a tiny plastic sword look like its made of metal. They arent a brand I'd particularly recommend if the question was "what gunmetal paint should I buy?", but I have to push back on the idea that they are so bad you should bin them and spend another 15 bucks on different metallic paints which are the current hotness. Also if you are doing gold by using contrast paint over a silver (a technique I heartily endorse, it looks great, though I've always used Agaross Dunes rather than any of the contrast yellows, I'm curious to see how the yellow looks now) I feel like the contrast paint is doing the bulk of the colour work and, as long as your base is silver, the difference between different brands of silver is probably imperceptible. To answer the actual question, yeah, you thin down the metallics a bit, just enough so you dont leave brushstrokes is what I go with. Dont put them on a wet palette and I'd recommend starting by just going into the paint with a very wet brush and work from there rather than adding a drop of water directly to the paint, you dont want to over thin them either. Brush could be wet with Matt Medium of some description if you have it to hand and are feeling fancy, but water will do the job fine.
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painting metallics over black or brown as well helps hugely.
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I got my white so I could finish Lohith. He's made of Soulstone, a blue crystal, so the orange-yellow light makes him green. The backside only gets pale moonlight, so he stays blue there.  
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Paragon8 posted:painting metallics over black or brown as well helps hugely.  Electric Hobo posted:I got my white so I could finish Lohith. He's made of Soulstone, a blue crystal, so the orange-yellow light makes him green. The backside only gets pale moonlight, so he stays blue there. Love it. The OSL is impactful without being HAY LOOK I DID OSL!!! (which is what I tend to do  )
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Yeah, I’ve found most Citadel metallics to be okay to good, Leadbelcher and Retributer being my favourites. Definitely not garbage tier. As ^^^ said, black and brown bases are essential.
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Using 20% alcohol water mix to thin contrast paint 1:1 seemed to work somewhat ok. Still need to control the trigger to avoid paint flowing everywhere, but it's a lot easier to do it than with what else i've tried so far. Good enough to try and basecoat different parts with.
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I think I've wasted some paint by leaving the pressure too high on the compressor, but I've been thinning with 20% IPA 80% water and that seems to work well
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Finished the grotmas gitz! I'm often overly critical of myself, but I'm super happy with how this guy turned out- though I could definitely have spent more time on the rider, especially his coat- but whatever! It felt done. This guy is by far the most advanced thing I've painted, just an incredible amount of colour and detail on this model- but incredibly fun to paint, it'll be weird to transition back to painting Raven Guard in various shades of grey and black after this      I hope someone can tell what the bottom right box is supposed to be painted as- and the other ones are totally randomly picked colours and not at all some attempt at incisive scandinavian political commentary.
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It’s really well done, nice!
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That's some really nice attention to detail. Hell yeah
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You've convinced me; I'll keep posting.Dr. Red Ranger posted:Slow and steady progress on another PBC.
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I don't think it was posted here before, but in hobby YouTuber news, Peachy announced on his IG that he's leaving The Painting Phase.quote:It is with a heavy heart that I must bid farewell to The Painting Phase. When offered the opportunity to join the channel over a year ago, I relished the chance to do something I love with a friend; spreading that love to the gaming community and hopefully helping bring more enjoyment to others in the hobby both inside and outside of the world of warhammer. So it basically sounds like he wanted more input as to the direction and content of the channel, but the guys who ran it disagreed, and he was feeling more like a hired hand rather than a partner; and since he'd already been there and done that with GW, he might as well strike out and do his own thing rather than just stay working for someone else. Also, as an aside, I much preferred the "roundtable" chat format TPP had for their guest interviews/ramble sessions, than what they have now with people sitting on couches. The former looked like an actual professional setup, whereas the latter just has dudes with their beer bellies lapping over their belts.
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It was mentioned in the 40K thread. While Peachy is entertaining, I don't think he can carry the whole thing on his own.
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Lostconfused posted:It was mentioned in the 40K thread. I'm of the opposite view, because while I know that The Painting Phase has been around for a while before him, I don't think I'd ever actually heard of them before he turned up. I also think he made for a very good host during their guest interviews. Between that and the experience he had doing stuff on camera for GW, I think he'll likely do just fine.
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Lostconfused posted:Exactly, he wasn't doing a show by himself. He's done numerous tutorial videos for GW where he was the only person on camera, though? He even did a lot of that for TPP, as well. Unless you're talking about behind the scenes, in which case I don't actually know if he has anyone he's hired to run camera gear etc. for him, but a lot of YT hobby content creators do most (if not all) of that stuff by themselves, anyways, so he wouldn't be unique in that regard.
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Lostconfused posted:It was mentioned in the 40K thread. Agreed. He should just go join Duncan and form a power team to eventually dethrone GW.
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Like I said in the 40k thread I dont have any real reason to listen to or watch TPP now because Peach left. I found Patrick to be kind of a meme lord. If he has an opinion on something it's because he's read it online on Reddit or something. Geoff seemed like an alright dude though if a little bit up his own rear end about things. I think Peachy on his own in solo ventures will be fine and maybe we'll see him and Duncan do something together if we're lucky.
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Did you know Geoff was in the army? And he's a barber? I would like to see Peachy and Duncan team up as a small gently caress-you to GW, but mostly because I would like to see some bigger name painting Youtubers doing Napoleonics.
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Peach has talked about doing a podcast with Louise so that'll be interesting to see. The podcast felt like what really set them apart from the rest of the scene and a lot of those guests seemed to come via peachy so it does feel like they've blown things up a lot. I don't think the standard of painting that peach puts out really is what I'm looking for in tutorials but do enjoy him as a personality so hopefully he gets some kind of podcast going.
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