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DoombatINC posted:alternatively, its like Laverne and Shirley where judaism is the seasons where theyre at the brewery and christianity is the seasons where theyre in california I'm not a million years old, someone tell me if I should be mad about this
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loquacius posted:I'm not a million years old, someone tell me if I should be mad about this it's not my job to educate you smh
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Whirling posted:insulting religion is great actually. like lmao there's people who actually believe there's magical spirits that'll slow cook them like a 7-11 hotdog for eternity because they jacked off once that happens
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Feb 11, 2024 23:47
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loquacius posted:This might sound like a my_little_pony_at_auschwitz.jpg type post, but the pure absurdity of eternal punishment didn't get through to me until I played Baldurs Gate 3 eternity doesn't mean you'd remember it also doesn't mean continually i think concepts like that are an expression that builds up from the observed consequences of actions spanning across generations meant as a warning since people only think about themselves so saying you'll ruin it for everyone else by doing that doesn't work only personal consequences like heaven or hell weren't really supposed to be physical locations you go to, its where you're at after you're gone & what the cumulative effect of behavior in a given direction causes for society as a whole most religious concepts do have or had some valid real world social or personal, psychological or group behavioral purpose to exist it's just usually not super apparent bc it doesn't have to be if people all follow along and that's how it worked until very recently most stuff like that won't make sense unless you think about it like it's true then pay attention to the effect that has and would have on a group that all believes it, then its obvious what the purpose is and that it actually doesn't matter if it's "true" or not and the people yelling about the point being faith were right even if what they were believing didn't happen
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i could be wrong but i bet thats a lor of it bc even if people got the concept that packages easier which is what matters most pre-literacy
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It's one guy saying "you'll be punished for eternity" as a metaphor for the consequences it will have on humanity and future generations and another guy hearing "demons will shove hot rocks up your rear end until the sun burns out" forever
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Gumball Gumption posted:It's one guy saying "you'll be punished for eternity" as a metaphor for the consequences it will have on humanity and future generations and another guy hearing "demons will shove hot rocks up your rear end until the sun burns out" forever yeah but which message gets the results?
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Yeah I'm sorry but my only response to "Christian Hell is actually a metaphor" is "somebody should tell the Christians that"
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Gumball Gumption posted:It's one guy saying "you'll be punished for eternity" as a metaphor for the consequences it will have on humanity and future generations and another guy hearing "demons will shove hot rocks up your rear end until the sun burns out" forever The position of the Church is that Hell is a state of separation from God, and that the hope of all Catholics is that there's no one there.
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Actually the position of the Church is that heaven and hell are both the experience of God's intensifying presence and those who hate God would experience it as overwhelming torment while the faithful would experience it as love.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Actually the position of the Church is that heaven and hell are both the experience of God's intensifying presence and those who hate God would experience it as overwhelming torment while the faithful would experience it as love. Still say literally all modern Christianity makes so much sense when you substitute 'God' for 'my rich abusive dad'. Especially given their whole attitude is almost literally being Golden Children vs everyone they don't like being the Scapegoat. they go on about the torments of Hell because they gleefully imagine it happening to everyone they don't like.
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Feb 12, 2024 02:15
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does losing your faith after growing up in an evangelical christian household forever lock you into a 16-year old nu-atheist mindset towards all religion? hard to explain the cringe of goons otherwise
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Feb 12, 2024 02:26
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tatankatonk posted:does losing your faith after growing up in an evangelical christian household forever lock you into a 16-year old nu-atheist mindset towards all religion? hard to explain the cringe of goons otherwise It frequently does but I'm just Jewish sorry
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tatankatonk posted:does losing your faith after growing up in an evangelical christian household forever lock you into a 16-year old nu-atheist mindset towards all religion? hard to explain the cringe of goons otherwise the hosed up religious household stuff can totally destroy someone of course, and it makes total sense why someone would have a childish response to religion. or like being the target of religiously motivated homophobia their whole lives etc
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nice obelisk idiot posted:or like being the target of religiously motivated homophobia their whole lives etc its pretty bad, speaking from personal experience!
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all religions are just fantasies in the eye of an autistic boy: the buddha
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tatankatonk posted:does losing your faith after growing up in an evangelical christian household forever lock you into a 16-year old nu-atheist mindset towards all religion? hard to explain the cringe of goons otherwise I would think this explains a lot of the American presentation of it, for sure. I barely recognize what they're talking about as Christianity, so I imagine they were raised by snake handlers, and I cant' fault them for walking away after that.
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Whirling posted:its pretty bad, speaking from personal experience!
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tatankatonk posted:does losing your faith after growing up in an evangelical christian household forever lock you into a 16-year old nu-atheist mindset towards all religion? hard to explain the cringe of goons otherwise My mom got kicked out of the house and disowned at 16 for refusing a church arranged marriage, maybe have a little understanding? It's a bad environment.
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nice obelisk idiot posted:yes, it really is. sorry. no worries, I'll try to be less cringey about religion in general, sorry about that
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Whirling posted:no worries, I'll try to be less cringey about religion in general, sorry about that
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https://www.npr.org/2024/02/11/1230667405/actor-camila-mendes-on-upgraded-a-new-rom-com-about-a-new-york-art-intern wish I had a text readout to quote but I think this plot description and following conversation about manifesting is really shocking
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Yeah, it's not exclusive to Americans but the things you gotta keep in mind with a lot of formerly religious and raised religious people is that they have personal experience with deeply weird and hosed up institutions, generational trauma and cult dynamics that are very different from experience of religion as a casual or theoretical thing. Many have literally no positive experiences with religion, with said institutions basically mostly manifesting as an ever-increasing list of things you aren't allowed to enjoy, and reasons it's okay for adults to abuse you.
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Buddhism isn't a religion it's just a workaround
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indigi posted:Buddhism isn't a religion it's just a workaround Buddhists are the kind of Christian who say “It’s not a religion, it’s a relationship with Christ.”
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I always liked this quote from the Gospel of Philipquote:God is a man-eater
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galagazombie posted:Buddhists are the kind of Christian who say “It’s not a religion, it’s a relationship with Christ.” There's something bizarre about how internet discussions over religion tends to devolve into the idea that Christianity (or just American Protestantism) is the bad kind of religion, while obviously every other creed is inherently more reasonable, more compatible with a secular worldview and with liberal or leftist values, etc. It's kind of like how you'll have someone post a general statement (humorous or serious) about people, gender, etc. but amend it with the right adjective(s) to be properly intersectional. A lazy "women be shopping" joke has to become "white women be shopping", etc.
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it's just shibboleths, "at least we can agree on this!" etc. don't get mad at me i'm initiated.
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tatankatonk posted:does losing your faith after growing up in an evangelical christian household forever lock you into a 16-year old nu-atheist mindset towards all religion? hard to explain the cringe of goons otherwise it's not limited to evangelicals, but on the other hand white catholics are basically just tackier southern baptists these days
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it’s the future, you don’t have to pretend to believe in god anymore
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BONGHITZ posted:it’s the future, you don’t have to pretend to believe in god anymore Hey we're still the past to the future of the future!
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religion is mostly just wanting to go to the exclusive afterparty, it's one of the most human desires imaginable. still kinda silly but, again, kinda silly describes most human endeavors
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Gumball Gumption posted:Actually the position of the Church is that heaven and hell are both the experience of God's intensifying presence and those who hate God would experience it as overwhelming torment while the faithful would experience it as love. That's the position of CS Lewis in The Great Divorce, but I'm not sure if it's any church's official theological position (though it may well be, my theology studies were a long long time ago)
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We must find our way to heaven so we may open new markets for our sales teams and to retrieve harps and fluffy clouds for our own population.
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YaketySass posted:same but for heaven rewarding you eternally the rewards and punishments are just being closer and farther away from gods light it's pretty simple and not nearly as goofy as what you're imagining. Idk why the immortable soul needs to be substained or even aware of that tho.
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docbeard posted:That's the position of CS Lewis in The Great Divorce, but I'm not sure if it's any church's official theological position (though it may well be, my theology studies were a long long time ago) Eastern Orthodox, well some.
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War and Pieces posted:the rewards and punishments are just being closer and farther away from gods light it's pretty simple and not nearly as goofy as what you're imagining. Idk why the immortable soul needs to be substained or even aware of that tho.
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