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chaosapiant posted:It was called “radiant quests” in Skyrim and later games, so you’re not entirely wrong. Related but different. Radiant AI was instead of saying “Sit in this chair and eat this apple” you just say “Eat” and they find a random food and chair in their location. Radiant Quests were added in Skyrim, where instead of saying “The prisoner is in this bandit hideout” it finds a random bandit hideout you haven’t yet visited and puts the prisoner there. Starfield’s mission boards are all Radiant Quests. As are the “Buy the book from $SHOP”, “Collect from the debtor in $SHACK”.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Didn’t the original Radiant AI for oblivion occasionally lead to bugfuck stuff like “I want to sweep shop. Therefore, I want broom. I do not have broom. Neighbor lady has broom. Kill neighbor lady, take broom, sweep shop.” Yes, it extremely cooked before they decided that was too much chaos
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You can still seem some slight aspects of NPC decision making in Skyrim. I once acquired a bounty of five gold, and it was unnoticeable when running errands in White Run ... Except that the hunter that sells meat would always draw his bow and engage me when I entered the market. I thought he was bugged, but when I looked into it someone pointed out that actually he's just more willing to confront criminals than other NPCs; so everyone else was letting it slide but not him. I had to reload after killing him and then go find a guard away from the market and pay up.
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Feb 5, 2024 16:38
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You heard it here first--the new Starfield Narrative is "Now that it's coming to PS5, gamers will finally admit it's a great game, actually!
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webmeister posted:any kind of computer generated content you can call curated randomized content "parameterized" or "templated" in games, because we have a framework that is human designed that is fetching curated elements to fill its parameters or working from connected templates. some places use different terminology but these two are what I'm most used to.
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Chillmatic posted:You heard it here first--the new Starfield Narrative is "Now that it's coming to PS5, gamers will finally admit it's a great game, actually! There probably will be a lot of people going “hey, this game isn’t as bad as I heard!” when it goes to PS5, because it’s a game that does make a good first impression. Then 90 percent of the players will burn out on it or realize the million ways it’s thoughtlessly put together.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:There probably will be a lot of people going “hey, this game isn’t as bad as I heard!” when it goes to PS5, because it’s a game that does make a good first impression. Then 90 percent of the players will burn out on it or realize the million ways it’s thoughtlessly put together. You're right, but that cycle is going to get speed run. The discourse is already out there, it's not developing like it did at launch. If someone looks up Starfield on Youtube they're going to have a million videos dissecting why it's kinda lame right from the get go.
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Feb 5, 2024 18:17
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webmeister posted:All of those mission board quests are AI generated I think? We really need to move away from calling every single algorithm AI Ursine Catastrophe posted:Part of the original "radiant AI" thing was about how NPCs had schedules of "stuff they need to do" and the "special" part about it was that they'd do their own pathfinding (er, "figuring out how to get their goals completed") instead of "just adhere to this one route at this one specific scheduled time" You could program simple scripts in lua and attach them to an npc object to make them do a little bit more stuff, but if it wasn't programmed and attached to the NPC, the npc was completely incapable of doing anything. Cyrano4747 posted:The actual "radiant AI" was only in Oblivion and was removed for Skyrim. It could cause a lot of problems with important NPCs wandering off because their pathing took them to a weird place and either getting killed or the player just not being able to find them. Oblivion nerds will talk about it like it's a lost treasure, and arguably it does make Oblivion a better pure gently caress around simulator, but the reasons why they stuck with more traditional defined pathing in Skyim are sound. Lollerich fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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Feb 5, 2024 18:28
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I am just gonna put this here: https://procedural-generation.tumblr.com/post/112509130817/elite-1984-elite-created-by-ian-bell-and-david https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Classic_Elite_planet_descriptions
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Majora’s Mask, a game from a quarter century ago that was made to run on hardware that was a bit poo poo even at the time had a world that felt more alive than Starfield. The NPCs were all on set paths but at least they moved around and more importantly, had ties to the actual world they inhabited. It’s not just the lack of routines that makes the NPCs feel lifeless in Starfield, it’s that they’re so barely-there I’m concerned the “C” in NPC is giving Bethesda more credit than they’ve earned.
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The NPCs in Assassin's Creed feel more alive than the folks in Starfield.
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Lollerich posted:We really need to move away from calling every single algorithm AI "AI" in games has always been such a different thing that you should think of it as a completely distinct meaning of the word than the current "AI" buzzword (which is also not intelligent but in a different way). In video game terms, the enemies in Halo, the NPCs in Skyrim, and the opposing players in Civ are all examples of AI despite not having a shred of intelligence to them. We just call it AI because we've always called it AI, it's like how in 50 years when all cars are electric we'll probably still be calling it a gas pedal.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:There probably will be a lot of people going “hey, this game isn’t as bad as I heard!” when it goes to PS5, because it’s a game that does make a good first impression. ...does it?? Were you really excited from the start? It's an incredibly dull opener, I thought, having you mining rocks for the first fifteen minutes and then a couple lovely little shootouts before you go to New Atlantis and spend another few hours meeting all the bland companions and doing lovely intro quests. I remember articles like "Starfield doesn't get good til you're ten hours in" popping up right after launch. I read them before playing, got ten hours in and wondered if I'd made it to the good parts yet. (And the answer was yes, but "good" is only relative)
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I really hated getting to constellation and having to listen to them talk for another ten minutes as they ignored me doing sick kick flips off the side of a table until it was my turn to talk
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Starfield got good for me when I started loving about with shipbuilding, the only interesting mechanic in the game. It stopped being good once I realised the modules don't connect in a sensible way, so you create a maze every time, and all the clutter fill up your cargo space because of how the game does things.
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You can avoid creating a maze, but you are somewhat limited in how you connect things. Basically you can build a central spine out of gangways and the thing will generally prioritize doors to those over everything else. Then use gangways wherever you want connections between units. You just end up wasting a lot of space and having some limitations on orientation, and having to use a lot of cosmetic bits to smooth over the design. It's bad, and being able to choose where doors are manually would obviously be preferable, but within the limitations of the ship builder you can make consistent layouts like that. Notably, for the most part, NPC ships that are encountered in the wild are not built like this, and will have exactly the same kind of labyrinthine interior layouts you'd get with the same design. Which is hilarious, and also bad. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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Phenotype posted:...does it?? Were you really excited from the start? It's an incredibly dull opener, I thought, having you mining rocks for the first fifteen minutes and then a couple lovely little shootouts before you go to New Atlantis and spend another few hours meeting all the bland companions and doing lovely intro quests. Maybe not first first but I kind of always mentally write off the on-rails starts to games like this. Once I had some freedom I ended up on the UC Vanguard quest the game points you at and was like “oh wow, this is really cool! If this is a side quest imagine what the rest is like!” The dissapointment after I wrapped that quest line up was absolute.
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The ship builder feels like the marquee system to me, like the power armour in Fallout 4. It's the only interesting system they made, and there's some fiddly stuff you can do with it. It's not as integrated into the rest of the mechanics as the power armour system was, but it's a start. Give it a couple years of Cyberpunk level patching and it might be a cool system you want to gently caress around with.
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The shipyard system is fundamentally hobbled by the rest of the game not really giving you anything fun to do with those ships.
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It's funny because I started the game knowing the twist, so I spent a long time with "when I hit the last loop I want to do I'll spend some real time on making a sweet as big house-ship, everything until then will just be a brick with guns" so my disappointment with the nuances of ship construction got well and truly deferred and thinking "well this part is going to be the best part" for nearly the entire time I played it
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Philippe posted:The NPCs in Assassin's Creed feel more alive than the folks in Starfield. The t-posing mannequins in star citizen seem more alive than the bug eyed mutants in starfield. But yes assassins creed had pretty good general immersion and NPCs / opponents wandering the map did a lot to make you feel things were going on around you rather than everything happening in a stasis locked bubble.
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I’ve been holding off on picking the game back up until Bethesda puts out some significant gameplay fixes and updates. Is that uh, is that going to happen?
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When they said January I think they meant 2025
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moist turtleneck posted:When they said January I think they meant 2025 There's plenty of Januaries left in this decades! But yeah they were originally saying there was going to be plenty of DLC's coming out, with the sales how they've been pretty sure they're re-thinking that. For sure one dlc, as that was promised with the expensive edition, and the editor, as it would be stupid not to put that out.
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Tiny Timbs posted:I’ve been holding off on picking the game back up until Bethesda puts out some significant gameplay fixes and updates. Is that uh, is that going to happen? You're probably better off waiting for the complete edition with all the DLCs and poo poo in a few years.
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dr_rat posted:There's plenty of Januaries left in this decades! Have the sales been crap? I thought they were fine, if not FO4 levels. Anywho, I'm fine either way. It is what it is.
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Sandepande posted:Have the sales been crap? I thought they were fine, if not FO4 levels. Anywho, I'm fine either way. It is what it is. Yeah, it sold really well. I've seen estimates around 2 million copies and Microsoft is claiming something nuts like three times that installs via XBGP. They also said in an earnings call that they saw a massive spike in XBGP subs - including the highest single day total ever - right before Starfield launched. That said, they're not going to get creamed on this one but the next game. Bad games (or movies) that are part of a popular franchise don't fall off a cliff when the one everyone hates comes out, they fall off a cliff at the next one because everyone takes a wait and see approach. Take the most recent Star Wars trilogy as an example. The Force Awakens did $2 billion at the box office despite kind of tepid reception. The Last Jedi only did $1.3 billion, and then The Rise of Skywalker limped in at $1 billion. The real question is how many pre-orders and day 1 sales the next big Beth title gets. Maybe they drag out development of the next TES game enough that people forget about this or assume it will be different. Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Feb 12, 2024 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Yeah, it sold really well. I've seen estimates around 2 million copies and Microsoft is claiming something nuts like three times that installs via XBGP. They also said in an earnings call that they saw a massive spike in XBGP subs - including the highest single day total ever - right before Starfield launched. I'm the gamepass subscriber who signed on the night it was released. This suddenly makes me curious how many people cancelled after one or two months.
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Inspector Hound posted:I'm the gamepass subscriber who signed on the night it was released. This suddenly makes me curious how many people cancelled after one or two months. With those kind of subscription services any kind of uptake is good uptake, since subs tend to be sticky and a certain percentage of people will just never get around to canceling.
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Cyrano4747 posted:With those kind of subscription services any kind of uptake is good uptake, since subs tend to be sticky and a certain percentage of people will just never get around to canceling. And there are other games available to tempt you to stay. Come for the "I don't want to spend 70 dollars on this one game" but stay for the "I don't have to spend 70 dollars for ANY of these games, actually!"
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Cyrano4747 posted:Yeah, it sold really well. I've seen estimates around 2 million copies and Microsoft is claiming something nuts like three times that installs via XBGP. That seems pretty firmly in “sounds like a lot of copies but could have been a huge departure from expectations” territory to me
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Tiny Timbs posted:That seems pretty firmly in “sounds like a lot of copies but could have been a huge departure from expectations” territory to me It's a massive departure when you consider the kinds of numbers Microsoft was expecting the game to do. It was meant to be next 'game everyone plays for ten years', like Skyrim. It was supposed to keep people hooked on game pass. It was not that and did not do that.
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To put it into perspective, BG3 has apparently sold tens of millions of copies.
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How much would it of cost to make, especially consider how long it was in development? I've seen it had sales figures of about 12 million at the highest, which while that's a lot, is that even in break even territory when costs are considered?
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dr_rat posted:How much would it of cost to make, especially consider how long it was in development? I've seen it had sales figures of about 12 million at the highest, which while that's a lot, is that even in break even territory when costs are considered? Regardless of the actual number, it’s insane that a AAA made… this.
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Starfield: Game of the Year edition
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dr_rat posted:How much would it of cost to make, especially consider how long it was in development? I've seen it had sales figures of about 12 million at the highest, which while that's a lot, is that even in break even territory when costs are considered? It depends on how much of the 'in-development' time was actually it being worked on and not just put on a shelf until time allowed to touch it again
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Al! posted:the most annoying thing they could do next, is release the vr version Oh hell no. Fallout 4 loving ruined VR for me. I don't typically have problems with motion sickness, but FO4VR gave me the too-much-macaroni-sweats before I even made it to the Vault. I was primarily using it for racing with no real issues (other than fatigue from having a plastic brick strapped to your face) but FO4 did something to my eyes or my brain or, gently caress, idk, my prostate to where I can't do it anymore without getting a headache almost immediately.
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