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I said come in! posted:It feels like there is no avenue at this point that doesn't lead to all out war between Israel and its neighbors. Egypt and Israel signed their peace agreement six years after the 1973 war. In the immediate atmosphere Israel is in a genocidal fervor. In a few years as reality sets in, perhaps there really will be an opportunity for a brokered solution. After all, who will want to make aliyah to israel, supposedly the safest place for Jews? How will the Israelis continue fighting massive wars like this, on behalf of a class of people that is allowed to totally evade the responsibilities of war? When the ICC and ICJ cases are decided, what countries will Israeli leaders even be able to visit?
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Feb 12, 2024 19:05
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OctaMurk posted:The Egyptian government cant accept it -- not because theyre good guys or w.e. but this would cause Egypt problems that no carrots and sticks could ever compensate. Maybe not tomorrow, but it would inevitably result in either a civil war in Egypt, or the Palestinians launching attacks from the Sinai which causes a renewed Israel-Egypt war. It's worth pointing out that this already happened - during the War of Attrition, 1967 to 1970.
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Feb 12, 2024 19:07
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Flournival Dixon posted:Material political action in the west is entirely forgotten by most of the population, it's been replaced by tweeting in support of something or nebulous ideas of voting against things that everyone on the ballot supports. The idea of organizing a general strike never gains traction because nobody in the west really believes that they have power at all, or that anything could be gained by trying. We all have so much comfort and treats and wealth to lose, and nobody believes that anything is to be gained from resisting. It's not hard to understand why they think that way after the squandered failures of Occupy and George Floyd, they watched a bunch of disorganized anarchist children utterly waste two significant movements and accomplish nothing other than a massive increase in police budgets nationwide. Saying they think nothing will be gained from resisting is an understatement. Many of them think they will end up getting killed, locked away forever in a black cell, or generally have their lives ruined by the state, and frankly they’re not wrong for thinking that. The United States is brutal when cracking down on dissent.
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Feb 12, 2024 19:20
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Clip-On Fedora posted:Saying they think nothing will be gained from resisting is an understatement. Many of them think they will end up getting killed, locked away forever in a black cell, or generally have their lives ruined by the state, and frankly they’re not wrong for thinking that. The United States is brutal when cracking down on dissent. yep. violence is seen as an illegitimate expression of dissent but as a legitimate mechanism of suppression.
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Feb 12, 2024 19:22
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VoicesCanBe posted:https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1756074190988275904 Hope he's sucked out of his plane due to a Boeing malfunction
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Feb 12, 2024 19:23
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VoicesCanBe posted:https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1756074190988275904 why the CIA chief? isn't this a matter for a diplomat?
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Feb 12, 2024 19:25
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bedpan posted:why the CIA chief? isn't this a matter for a diplomat? Not for dummy blinkens
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Feb 12, 2024 19:26
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Frosted Flake posted:It's worth pointing out that this already happened - during the War of Attrition, 1967 to 1970. What's yesterday?
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Feb 12, 2024 19:28
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Feb 12, 2024 19:28
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bedpan posted:yep. violence is seen as an illegitimate expression of dissent but as a legitimate mechanism of suppression. it doesn't matter if the suppression is legitimate or not when you end up in a prison cell or with a bullet in your chest regardless. there's no higher body to appeal to when the US government decides to unperson you
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Feb 12, 2024 19:34
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bedpan posted:why the CIA chief? isn't this a matter for a diplomat? Blinkins isnt able to handle this. It wouldnt surprise me if Biden replaces him for his second term (assuming he wins re-election).
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Feb 12, 2024 19:41
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Don't forget that said violence can be applied by not only the state but by whatever right wing paramilitary that decides that they're gonna take and hold the local 7-11 that day.
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Feb 12, 2024 19:41
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bedpan posted:why the CIA chief? isn't this a matter for a diplomat? The US has a habit of sending the CIA chief when things dont look good for the US hegemonic status. He made an unannounced visit to saudi arabia when the chinese mediated deal with them and Iran was done. https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/cia-director-william-burns-saudi-arabia/index.html
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Feb 12, 2024 19:42
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Very cool that the US has a shadow state department who's workings are a complete black box to the public.
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Feb 12, 2024 19:43
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Sancho Banana posted:"The Dutch government announces: We will appeal the court's decision not to export F35 parts to Israel" power will always side with capital
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Feb 12, 2024 19:43
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bedpan posted:why the CIA chief? isn't this a matter for a diplomat? Blinken is an idiot, everyone around Biden is obsessed with appeasing Israel, and everyone else at the US State Department with influence is obsessed with destroying Russia. Burns is not an idiot and has experience in both the Middle East and eastern Europe.
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Feb 12, 2024 19:43
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you send the state department to make deals, you send the CIA to make threats
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Feb 12, 2024 19:46
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bedpan posted:yep. violence is seen as an illegitimate expression of dissent but as a legitimate mechanism of suppression. It’s seen as an illegitimate expression of dissent because the American people are deeply terrified of their government and their ruling class, and they think if people stir up enough poo poo, the powers that be won’t even bother with the pretense of civil democracy anymore and they will go full on mask off brutal police state. Instead of a carrot and stick approach, it’s a stick and bat with barbed wire wrapped around it approach. Clip-On Fedora has issued a correction as of 19:50 on Feb 12, 2024 |
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Feb 12, 2024 19:47
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Clip-On Fedora posted:It’s seen as an illegitimate expression of dissent because the American people are deeply terrified of their government and their ruling class, and they think if people stir up enough poo poo, the powers that be won’t even bother with the pretense of civil democracy anymore and they will go full on mask off brutal police state. the us has military planes fly over sports stadiums as a show, right? I’ve never been able to see that as anything other than an explicit threat to stay in line
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Feb 12, 2024 19:50
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mcmagic posted:The constant lying is a power thing. Look at the bullshit we can say, we both know it's bullshit, and there is nothing you can do about it. Like cops in the US.
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Feb 12, 2024 19:51
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OctaMurk posted:They could forgive or write off Egypts utterly massive debts I swear early on this was literally a proposal by folks in the Israeli government, that they'd somehow force the US to forgive Egypt's debts in exchange for Egypt taking in the Palestinians.
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Feb 12, 2024 19:56
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bedpan posted:why the CIA chief? isn't this a matter for a diplomat? Burns was in the foreign service as a diplomat for 30 years and was the Deputy Secretary of State under Obama. As others have said, Blinken is an idiot, so their sending someone who can actually do the job and has a long history of contact with the Egyptians.
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Feb 12, 2024 19:57
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Retromancer posted:Very cool that the US has a shadow state department who's workings are a complete black box to the public.
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Feb 12, 2024 19:57
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ro5s posted:the us has military planes fly over sports stadiums as a show, right? I’ve never been able to see that as anything other than an explicit threat to stay in line They literally drove tanks and armored vehicles through suburban neighborhoods while screaming at everyone to remain in their homes during the George Floyd protests.
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Feb 12, 2024 20:00
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I said come in! posted:Is there a good source to read that explains what is going on with Egypts economy and how they got there?
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Feb 12, 2024 20:00
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Sancho Banana posted:"The Dutch government announces: We will appeal the court's decision not to export F35 parts to Israel" well, the dutch state appeals everything and anything it can get its hands on so this was to be expected. i just read the court of appeals judgment and I'm kind of expecting the supreme court to follow suit. the core of Amnesty and Oxfam-Novib argumentation relied on showing statements by both high israeli functionaries and individual pilots, and the judges completely accepted those while barely giving the state's excuses the time of day. there might be some issues with constitutional boundaries, but the Dutch High Court (Hoge Raad) is more strict with its adherence to the liberal principles of human rights and international law than you might think. I'm giving it 75-25 odds it's gonna stay this way.
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Feb 12, 2024 20:00
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It does feel like a marketing ploy rather than a real success. They haven't been able recover any living hostages but within a day of heavy bombardment of Rafah they recovered two elderly men.
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Feb 12, 2024 20:05
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the bitcoin of weed posted:you send the state department to make deals, you send the CIA to make threats
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Feb 12, 2024 20:07
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seriously burns is probably half way through his powerpoint of "where the grenades that killed sadat actually came from"
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Feb 12, 2024 20:08
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haha, the high court is called Hog Road.
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I'm just now reading about this but turns out the two hostages were argentinan. Milei visited Israel just a couple days ago lol
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Sancho Banana posted:I'm just now reading about this but turns out the two hostages were argentinan. Milei visited Israel just a couple days ago lol one of the hostages was already released last year lol
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Feb 12, 2024 20:11
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Nonsense posted:one of the hostages was already released last year lol Hamas only released a couple elderly women back then, no? Yocheved Lifshitz and another one. Plus the guys from the ceasefire deal which were all women, children, Thai workers, and a couple young men.
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wait wtf lol https://twitter.com/Ian_Fraser/status/1757121269420498975?s=19
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The article says that other members of his family were released as part of the deal and that he's still being held hostage - it seems they just changed the headline today, bizarrely.
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I said come in! posted:Is there a good source to read that explains what is going on with Egypts economy and how they got there? red line podcast had a very good episode on the Egyptian economy https://www.theredlinepodcast.com/post/episode-94-egypts-economic-crisis-a-perfect-storm d'oh! beaten
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Feb 12, 2024 20:27
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Sancho Banana posted:The article says that other members of his family were released as part of the deal and that he's still being held hostage - it seems they just changed the headline today, bizarrely. Yes looking at the archived article from last year it does state his partner was released in the hostage deal but he remained.
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bobtheconqueror posted:I swear early on this was literally a proposal by folks in the Israeli government, that they'd somehow force the US to forgive Egypt's debts in exchange for Egypt taking in the Palestinians. Yes, immediately after Oct 7
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