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DE is a much better role playing game but BG3 is still exceptionally good and also includes a very fun combat system which makes some bits of the roleplaying even better. For example in my first run through I didn't realize you could actually save a certain NPC because they got gigadunked on the first turn and I figured it was a setpiece. But nope, you can save them by not being trash and then it dramatically changes that chapter of the story. I've played both through twice and they are both as close to 10/10 experiences you can get
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MrQwerty posted:Quake only had exposition skipping tech because it was reworked in the middle of development and everyone was fighting with each other and competing with each other politically. Am I missing the joke? IIRC Quake had no exposition, apart maybe from a text popup on maybe two stages when you flicked a switch and they told you that something moved.
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Quake had some text on screen at the end of an episode, but the story was otherwise completely contained in a few sentences in the instruction manual.
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complaining about the tram ride in Half-Life is weakness
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Serephina posted:Am I missing the joke? IIRC Quake had no exposition, apart maybe from a text popup on maybe two stages when you flicked a switch and they told you that something moved. quake (like doom) was originally designed with lots of characters and plot but it was all scrapped because such things aren't interesting enough programming challenges for jon carmack. that is my extremely reductionist take on it, anyway
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they were scrapped because oldschool id wisely realized that story in video games is incredibly unimportant
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"drat, that Quake bastard works fast!" That's enough story. Now shoot things.
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William Henry Hairytaint posted:complaining about the tram ride in Half-Life is wokeness
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Disco Elysium is not a RPG I don't know what it is, a depression simulator?
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QuarkJets posted:Disco Elysium is not a RPG What makes you think it isn't a RPG?
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QuarkJets posted:Disco Elysium is not a RPG Much like your posts 
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syntaxfunction posted:Much like your posts Tuen on ur moniturr huhuhuhuh
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syntaxfunction posted:Much like your posts I yearn to be an easy to please simpleton but it just never works  I played roughly 10 hours of DE and it just felt like the game wanted to do nothing but yammer at me about what a dipshit loser the character is. I think I may have just been burned out on playing dipshit loser characters after playing all of the Dark Souls games
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You were playing it wrong. I mean, unless you wanted to be a dipshit loser. Then that was your choice.
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Feb 13, 2024 07:33
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Can you fight people in Disco Elysium? It's probably a fighting game.
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It's a rogue like. Because Harry is a rogue and I like him, despite himself.
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The Moon Monster posted:Can you fight people in Disco Elysium? It's probably a fighting game. It sounds more like a dancing game, what with Disco in the name.
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Feb 13, 2024 12:55
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You can deliver a sweet jumping roundhouse kick at one point.
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QuarkJets posted:I yearn to be an easy to please simpleton but it just never works idk DE kinda falls in the same gap as any long-winded video game for me. physical books are easy to read at length, ebooks no problem also, but once you put a novel-length text in a video game my brain checks out totally. baldur's gate, fallout, pillars of eternity, these are all games i half-skim, at best. i just cannot read gigantic blocks of text on a video game world with the portraits and the environment and the music going all at once. i think lost odyssey is the only exception to this, but it also consolidates the presentation of its short stories into what is basically a simple ebook with music
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Fur20 posted:idk DE kinda falls in the same gap as any long-winded video game for me. physical books are easy to read at length, ebooks no problem also, but once you put a novel-length text in a video game my brain checks out totally. baldur's gate, fallout, pillars of eternity, these are all games i half-skim, at best. i just cannot read gigantic blocks of text on a video game world with the portraits and the environment and the music going all at once. Luckily the directors cut of DE is entirely voice acted
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Fur20 posted:idk DE kinda falls in the same gap as any long-winded video game for me. physical books are easy to read at length, ebooks no problem also, but once you put a novel-length text in a video game my brain checks out totally. baldur's gate, fallout, pillars of eternity, these are all games i half-skim, at best. i just cannot read gigantic blocks of text on a video game world with the portraits and the environment and the music going all at once. I remember lost odyssey and nier doing this yeah, and it actually works for me. I think it is the mixed signals of stimulation you're getting when you've got this colourful 3D world which you can physically explore and the game just freezes to overlay a static image and some text over it and wants you to stop and read. It's only if I'm already interested in what the doc says, like say, in Deus Ex where snooping around people's personal files felt relevant and actually had cool info in it. I'm usually not going to interrupt my 10 various subgoals I'm working on gameplay wise to read 5 pages of lore about some wizard subculture. but the ebook presentation with music + bg image + maybe some particle effects for mood works because it blocks everything else out and sets it's own mood. Plus, it can put a strategic amount of text on the screen at one time to stop your eyes glazing over the way they do when it's suddenly 5 unexpected paragraphs. RE notes also work for me because they tend to be short, relevant, first person and also they take up the entire screen so you are mentally transported into the note zone.
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Resident Evil notes also offer a bit of a reprieve and/or are largely delegated to near the end of the game where there is probably some sort of infodump room where the main antagonist was doing all their journaling and science projects.
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The new Prince of Persia game is really bad about this. You just jumped through a long gauntlet of spikes and rotating blades and narrowly survived, now stop and read a dry Wikipedia article about Persian mythology that has nothing to do with the game. That said, to name drop a good example from a totally different game, the often cryptic text terminals in the Marathon games really elevated them from being "just another Doom clone" and inspired a lot of online speculation that lasted for decades after the game's release. It was sort of the 1990s predecessor to stuff like ARGs and the current cottage industry of YouTubers making 10 hour lore videos about item descriptions in Dark Souls or w/e.
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marathon had some good loving writing for what it was
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Pathways Into Darkness Marathon Myth Oni Solid masterpieces, every one of them. Bungie was* my favorite developer. *you know why
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the death of the Myth games after 2 and its disaster launch made me very sad, I loved them I played 3, it wasn't good enough to call itself Myth
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MrQwerty posted:the death of the Myth games after 2 and its disaster launch made me very sad, I loved them 3 was so bad. The cutscenes were so bad. Everything about it was terrible. But it also wasn't Bungie, it was some other studio that worked on it.
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credburn posted:3 was so bad. The cutscenes were so bad. Everything about it was terrible. But it also wasn't Bungie, it was some other studio that worked on it. yeah I know, Bungie had already been acquired by Microsoft and started turning that cool game I wanted to play into the Halo we know and love by that point it's too bad Myth 2 had that goddamn install bug in the launch copy, and that those games were real niche even when they came out
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fridge corn posted:Luckily the directors cut of DE is entirely voice acted Listening to someone read a huge block of text out loud way more slowly than you can read it is even worse! It's like being back in fourth grade.
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The Moon Monster posted:Listening to someone read a huge block of text out loud way more slowly than you can read it is even worse! It's like being back in fourth grade. It would be except the performances are quite good. Why would I bother going to see a production of hamlet or whatever when I can just read it myself much more quickly lol
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roomtone posted:I remember lost odyssey and nier doing this yeah, and it actually works for me. The Resident Evil series is one of the few where I find myself invested in cutscenes and lore notes. It's just so batshit, but also weirdly wholesome because everyone has the mentality of children (apart from 6 which feels kind of mean spirited). The take themselves exactly as seriously as they need to and the lore notes are like "what happens if you inject mutagenic viruses into grasshoppers? The answer may surprise you" rather than "in 1465 year other emperor many wizards converged upon the realm of Dookicky to ponder the staff of unmasking, gifted to Debulon after the War of Two Princes therefore..." Elder Scrolls notes are absolute dog poo poo. I kind of like the From method, they're evocative and sometimes slyly funny. Baldurs Gate has too many books and I skimmed most. Disco Elysium remembered to have good characters that I want to talk to - there's books, but you don't have to engage with them at all and your character at least responds interestingly. Funnily enough, the only mildly annoying lore dump in DE is when you research the abandoned fantasy game developers studio. Disco Pope fucked around with this message at 12:00 on Feb 14, 2024 |
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fridge corn posted:It would be except the performances are quite good. Why would I bother going to see a production of hamlet or whatever when I can just read it myself much more quickly lol I would absolutely rather read Hamlet myself than listen to someone else read Hamlet while looking at a portrait of Hamlet on my computer monitor. Also, Dark Souls is the Hamlet of games, not Disco Elysium.
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Plays are written to be spoken aloud. Anyway yet again gamers who are so insistent that video games be considered art prove to be completely incapable of treating it as such
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fridge corn posted:Plays are written to be spoken aloud. Plays are meant to be acted. If you think that this  is equivalent to actually watching a play I don't know what to tell you. If you want to claim that Disco Elysium isn't art I'm willing to give you that.
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fridge corn posted:Plays are written to be spoken aloud. Saw Ralph Fiennes and Indira Varma in Macbeth last night, and I'm always reminded with Shakespeare how true it is. Like, reading it, it feels kind of 'worthy' and dense, but then when you get it up on a stage, you get a lot of really genuinely very funny laughs. He's held in such high esteem you forget he's super fuckin' bawdy and sardonic. A lot of the humour feels really modern, because of course it's just timeless. This bit in particular: Lennox The night has been unruly. Where we lay, Our chimneys were blown down; and, as they say, Lamentings heard i' the air, strange screams of death; And prophesying, with accents terrible Of dire combustion and confused events New hatched to the woeful time. The obscure bird Clamored the livelong night. Some say, the earth Was feverous and did shake. Macbeth 'Twas a rough night Where Lennox does this super prosaic, hyperbolic description of how awful the night was, and Macbeth just takes a beat and goes... "Yup." It's easy to miss on the page, but on stage it kinda feels like Shakespeare taking the piss out of himself, or, out of all the bluster and verbosity of it all.
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The Moon Monster posted:Plays are meant to be acted. If you think that this No I don't think that playing Disco Elysium is equivalent to watching a play. You misunderstand me. The purpose of my analogy is to demonstrate that by skipping the voiced lines in Disco Elysium is to deprive yourself of an integral part of the work, one which informs and elevates the entire experience. Much like reading a play, yes there are things to be gained from that and it's typically more accessible but there is much more to be gained by actually going and watching a performance of it. I don't understand why anyone who is serious about video games as art would skip or otherwise complain about the excellently acted voice work in Disco Elysium
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Concept pitch: Ye Olde Gamer Theatre It's like a regular theater except half of the stage is taken up by a big screen that displays all of the characters' dialogue. You can read Hamlet's entire soliloquy by the time he's only 1/4 of the way through giving it, and then play Angry Birds on your phone or something while he catches up.
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The Moon Monster posted:Concept pitch: Ye Olde Gamer Theatre This is Opera
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The Moon Monster posted:Concept pitch: Ye Olde Gamer Theatre Hamlet is voiced by an anime actor and portrayed by a mannequin. On the way into the theatre you can pick up pamphlets on the history of Denmark and the diary of Hamlet's janitor.
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