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I like that they went to the trouble of making the Despicable Me 4 logo look all melty and lovely as if it was AI generated (a task that was ironically probably done by hand)
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Feb 11, 2024 19:12
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Data Graham posted:Clicked through to make sure this was what I thought it was 100% same
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What is up with fanbases that seem to drive people to suicide? It seems more common with some shows than with others. Like were people harassing each other into committing suicide over their unpopular opinions about Bugs Bunny fifty years ago? https://twitter.com/Fenrirtheicewo1/status/1757051734520627406?t=DQed5CGB1Ea0TqYDUhI9fA&s=19
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Feb 13, 2024 02:55
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Didn't the Steven Universe tumblr suicide turn out to be more of an internet legend?
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Spiritually rotten? Lol. gently caress off. Im honestly tired of this general tendency to be like "The fanbase is bad" using it like a cudgel to talk poo poo about shows and such. Its such a nothing criticism. Its like complaining about the weather while watching something. Honestly this is more a fault of the internet to me. Never have we been able to stalk, bully, and harrass so efficiently. and honestly poo poo heads always use these tradegies to talk poo poo about and harrass nuerodivergent people. Hihohe fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Feb 13, 2024 |
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Feb 13, 2024 03:11
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Hihohe posted:Spiritually rotten? Lol. gently caress off. Also yeah did you do a background check on this account at all because, uh. Honestly complaining about Tumblr specifically in 2024 is a red flag by itself. mycot fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Feb 13, 2024 |
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Feb 13, 2024 03:18
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Panfilo posted:What is up with fanbases that seem to drive people to suicide? It seems more common with some shows than with others. Like were people harassing each other into committing suicide over their unpopular opinions about Bugs Bunny fifty years ago? If the person who killed themself was like 15 you could at least make an argument about discord being dangerous for minors but they were in their 20s. I'm not sure if I'm just missing it, but skimming the google docs link I don't even see any actual evidence of harassment? Maybe there was harassment in private messages but from the screenshots shown it kind of seen like this person was just extremely mentally ill. mystes fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Feb 13, 2024 |
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Feb 13, 2024 03:25
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Hihohe posted:Spiritually rotten? Lol. gently caress off.
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Feb 13, 2024 03:31
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I’m anti shipping any cartoon characters. Come at me insane weirdos.
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CelticPredator posted:I’m anti shipping any cartoon characters. Come at me insane weirdos.
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Feb 13, 2024 03:36
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Panfilo posted:Sure, but why some shows and genres and not others? I was active in the transformers Fandom back in the late nineties and don't remember people getting bullied into killing themselves because they disagreed about Starscream and Megatron's relationship. There's lots of animated Fandoms full of terminally online nerds that are not doing stuff like this. edit: clickbaited mycot fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Feb 13, 2024 |
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Feb 13, 2024 03:38
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Anecdotally I think the ATLA shipping wars were the ones that left the deepest scars on a generation.
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Seriously am I the only person who actually looked at the google docs links from that tweet?
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Data Graham posted:Anecdotally I think the ATLA shipping wars were the ones that left the deepest scars on a generation. Maybe this is rose colored glasses due to being in the exact age range but ATLA ship wars was still in the territory of mostly being silly fun at the end. Korra ship wars though were awful, it might be the most uniformly angriest I've ever seen a fanbase outside of Blizzard video games. mystes posted:Seriously am I the only person who actually looked at the google docs links from that tweet?  If I'm getting clickbaited by the alt-right anime coomer account then I sincerely apologize.
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Feb 13, 2024 03:42
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Hazbin is a particular target of a particularly weird and spiteful internet hate crowd looking for literally any angle of attack. I would believe nothing you hear about it that isn't actual verifiable content of the show.
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mycot posted:1) You were blessed if you did not see ship wars over Starscream/Megatron or petty rivalries between different fancreators on forums or early fandom sites like DeviantArt or Livejournal
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Panfilo posted:Oh it was always heated, sure. But never "Barry says he got a package of deception logo cookies full of sewing needles inside them in the mail today" or "Gina drew Elita -1 too Caucasian looking and other people in the community kept messaging her telling her to kill herself" level of extreme I hear from these other shows. That stuff happens everywhere. It mostly gets blown up and invented for media that's seen as an opportunity to attack marginalised people.
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Feb 13, 2024 04:03
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Fandoms are like drugs, they're fun but you shouldn't get into them too much. The same is true of hating on a fandom.
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mystes posted:I mean if people want to write fan fiction or something shipping characters who are adults, who cares? That's their business. But getting emotionally invested in it like this doesn't seem good. Sticking my foot deep on the ground and saying I hate it all and the fact people get so riled up about it is so weird lol Like a new word exists now to describe people not into someone writing and drawing dumb poo poo. Anti lol. It’s not even that cool of a word!
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Feb 13, 2024 05:39
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I've never seen a fandom rant that doesn't seem to be 'I want to complain about the show but I've latched into this because it's easier and I want to be above it all and not even acknowledge having watched the show'.
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never read or post about fandom discourse but super de-duper never read or post about hazbin hotel/helluva boss discourse
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I was curious what the tv iv thread was saying about this and they spent the last few pages talking about someone’s fan fiction so idk lol
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The trick is there's a very big difference between 'the discourse' and people actually talking about the show. The latter are usually actually enjoying themselves, and talking about actual things, like the character dynamics, the implicit worldbuilding and foreshadowing, the silly visual running gags and what their favourite songs are. The Discourse tends to be people talking about fans and how dare they talk about things, with the actual media itself being almost peripheral beyond judging whether the show presents the correct moral values based on reading its Wikipedia article, and in general on the level of the guy who went after the poster with the username of the villain from Revolutionary Girl Utena.
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Robindaybird posted:iirc, Bob Hoskins admits to basically being plastered the entire time for the movie. say what you will about faces of evil and wand of gamelon - that they fucken sucked, the cutscenes looked like they were melting, whatever. It's all true. But i owned them as a kid and the world maps are great and i still remember them. the faces of evil are sick looking
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CelticPredator posted:I was curious what the tv iv thread was saying about this and they spent the last few pages talking about someone’s fan fiction so idk lol It's really not worth talking about to be completely honest. It's tragic someone committed suicide because of others in a fandom being bullies, but most of the discourse is going to be a sea of Hazbin/Viv haters who care less about a person died and more that they feel vindicated of their hate for the show and Viv. It's the same thing as the Steven Universe suicide.
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I would like to read people discuss why everyone is so rabid about fake relationships. I get why people would want to write it. I get why people get into it. I don’t understand why people fight about it
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CelticPredator posted:I don’t understand why people fight about it IMO it's low self-confidence leading people to too closely associate their personhood with their entertainment, probably. For certain people any criticism of their position on a series or story or character becomes a personal attack, and they react with emotional violence. This also gets filtered through a tendency to graft public reason arguments onto what are often debates of taste, which leads to arguments gaining the appearance of literal life and death stakes. This is often unhelpfully polarising, leading to situations like: You're no longer allowed to criticise X because liking X is praxis and will defeat the baddies. Or: You're no longer allowed to like Y because Y did a bad thing and by liking Y you're basically saying that the bad thing was okay. It happens in both pro- and anti- camps, and everyone becomes increasingly entrenched and toxic to the point where certain phrases or words become triggering and tendentious. I think this is also more common in some social circles than others, and for whatever reason animation tends to attract a lot of this (perhaps because animation is less literal than photography and therefore exists slightly more in the viewer's head? I dunno.) IMO I think you can, easily, just treat those public reason arguments and issues of taste as separate concerns. e.g. you can like a Hollywood film, even though they're built on the bones of genocidal landgrabs. But that's where the low self-confidence sneaks back in, because it's hard to feel good about liking a film built on a foundation of snuff.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The trick is there's a very big difference between 'the discourse' and people actually talking about the show. The latter are usually actually enjoying themselves, and talking about actual things, like the character dynamics, the implicit worldbuilding and foreshadowing, the silly visual running gags and what their favourite songs are. The Discourse tends to be people talking about fans and how dare they talk about things, with the actual media itself being almost peripheral beyond judging whether the show presents the correct moral values based on reading its Wikipedia article, and in general on the level of the guy who went after the poster with the username of the villain from Revolutionary Girl Utena. I'm curious as to why it tends to happen to particular genres over others. Are there just some Fandoms that attract people prone to getting overly invested in these things to the point of giving people death threats or hoping they unalive themselves? Why do the stakes get so high for a work of animated fiction?
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Panfilo posted:I'm curious as to why it tends to happen to particular genres over others. Are there just some Fandoms that attract people prone to getting overly invested in these things to the point of giving people death threats or hoping they unalive themselves? Why do the stakes get so high for a work of animated fiction? It doesn't, it's just what gets the lurid focus because lol weird stupid nerds and/or queers. Counterpoint: Sports.
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Panfilo posted:I'm curious as to why it tends to happen to particular genres over others. Are there just some Fandoms that attract people prone to getting overly invested in these things to the point of giving people death threats or hoping they unalive themselves? Why do the stakes get so high for a work of animated fiction? What do you want us to say? The mentally ill and nuerodivergent watch cartoons more than any other shows? Freaks and geeks are drawn to these shows and everyone who watches them are also freaks and geeks? That we should just lump everyone into a "bad brain" hole? Do i need to get the calipers out to measure the skull of a person who likes Sonic the Hedgehog?
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we'd need to study the least toxic fandoms to see what works, such as
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Honestly the most frustrating thing is the anti-camps in their misguided 'we gotta protect people from problematic elements' are playing right into the hands of the same kind of fundie-rear end playbook that want to label two men holding hands or two girls kissing as "pornographic" or the weird paternalism that side of the discourse has. Petite women and short men are "child-coded" and thus should be seen as children, someone that's unable to speak but otherwise can communicate their wants and needs is incapable of consent. It's one thing if they only have pants-on heads stupid opinions about fictional characters, but many of them blur the lines. As unfortunately toxic fandoms are toxic because they DON'T put that separation between fiction and reality. But really, I'd be suspicious of some coomer that's bright red in Shinigamieyes talking about fandom drama, they always have some nasty chuddy reason behind it.
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Open Source Idiom posted:IMO it's low self-confidence leading people to too closely associate their personhood with their entertainment, probably. For certain people any criticism of their position on a series or story or character becomes a personal attack, and they react with emotional violence. it's because animation is more popular with kids and people with arrested development. present company excluded of course
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I started watching hazbin out of curiosity over the discourse and was surprised how much it hooked me. I might even check out helluva boss once I'm done with hazbin
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ITT: People scratch their head at humans doing tribalism
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Wittgen posted:ITT: People scratch their head at humans doing tribalism This one thinks differently! Get them!
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It doesn't, it's just what gets the lurid focus because lol weird stupid nerds and/or queers. So there's just as many Simpsons fans getting bullied into committing suicide as other cartoons? And people just ignore it/cover it up because it doesn't play into the narrative they are trying to push?
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