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Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

You're quite good at turning me on.

Eshettar posted:

AITA for refusing to accept my sons relationship with his step-sister?


quote:

Some backstory, when my son Nathan was 2, he met a friend in his daycare class, who we'll call Abby. Her dad, Jack, was one of the only other single parents there as his wife had left after Abby was born.

quote:

Then, last week, Abby and Nathan sat Jack and I down and told us that they had something important to say. Abby started in about how for the past few years her and Jack had been in a romantic relationship.

:yikes:

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Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Based on the ages and timeline, I think they're about 22 and were raised as siblings from about age 4. I wonder what they told their therapist.

Anyway, this all could have been avoided by buying a bigger washing machine.

DangerDongs
Nov 7, 2010

Grimey Drawer
I really feel bad for kids who are step-siblings. Imagine discovering porn in this time of age, when everything is step this and step that.
What happened to clean and good ol' days when plumbers just needed to get paid but there was no $$$ in the house.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

It costs nothing to call someone a “step” relative in porn and it might sell a few extra downloads or subscriptions to people with that fetish. Totally vanilla video? Sure, it’s a stepsister, why not. Plumbers and pizza delivery dudes take props and lock you into that narrative.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Also like what is the time frame for being raised together where it makes a relationship a no-no? We get stories about parents with adult children getting married and then 2 of the kids dating and the parents flipping out that its so disgusting your dating your sibling. Hell we've had stories of two 20-somethings already dating for years and then their parents get married and demand they break up because it's gross to date your sibling. Or like if you were only raised together for a few years at a very young age and barely remember? Without the genetic component is there any harm in step-siblings ever dating, even if they were fully raised together all their lives? I have no idea!

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
This is why you have to send one of them away to West Africa.

Hopes Fall
Sep 10, 2006
HOLY BOOBS, BATMAN!
When my dad and step-mom #3 started dating, her oldest son (14) met and immediately developed a crush on my youngest sister (15 f).

That poo poo lasted roughly 6 months, and both of them laugh about it now. 'That was loving weird, anyway...

ETA: In case it's not clear, I'm saying a horny 14 year old boy figured out it was weird and dumb even before our parents got married. These people aren't :technically: in the wrong, but they are goddamn strange.

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Hopes Fall posted:

When my dad and step-mom #3 started dating, her oldest son (14) met and immediately developed a crush on my youngest sister (15 f).

That poo poo lasted roughly 6 months, and both of them laugh about it now. 'That was loving weird, anyway...

ETA: In case it's not clear, I'm saying a horny 14 year old boy figured out it was weird and dumb even before our parents got married. These people aren't :technically: in the wrong, but they are goddamn strange.

That one at least seems more understandable if you're just randomly thrown together at that age, the one here is just a full on :yikeseroo:

Shanghaied
Oct 12, 2004

BIG PAD

Baronjutter posted:

Also like what is the time frame for being raised together where it makes a relationship a no-no? We get stories about parents with adult children getting married and then 2 of the kids dating and the parents flipping out that its so disgusting your dating your sibling. Hell we've had stories of two 20-somethings already dating for years and then their parents get married and demand they break up because it's gross to date your sibling. Or like if you were only raised together for a few years at a very young age and barely remember? Without the genetic component is there any harm in step-siblings ever dating, even if they were fully raised together all their lives? I have no idea!

Pretty much my thoughts exactly. If they always knew that they weren't biological siblings, what is the problem exactly? That they lived together? You can't date because your parents are loving? Okay so they grew up together, so childhood friends can't date or marry either?

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Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


AITA for telling my brother I won't go to his second wedding unless he pays me and spilling the tea to everyone when that started a fight.

quote:

My brother got married on Jamaica six years ago. It cost me $2,300 to go for the week plus a week off work, unpaid.

Not really a huge deal. I love my brother and I wanted to be there for him. I had a great time and actually met the woman I'm currently dating there at the resort.

So it's been six years and my sister in law is pregnant. It is a huge surprise because they were planning on waiting a while yet.

Now they are planning another wedding. I asked him why and he said he wanted to renew their vows before the baby came. I said that was cool but that I would not be attending. I'm busy with work and my own life. He said he really wanted me there. I said no. He said it was important to him I be there. I said that I had already attended his wedding once and that was plenty. Of he wanted me to go to his second wedding he would have to pay me for my time and for my trip home. I live and work in the bay area and our family is from Raleigh. He finally admitted that the first wedding was a sham. They basically got us all out there for a party. I told him to get hosed.

My mom called me to tell me I was being a jerk not coming to the wedding. I said I would go if my brother covered my expenses. She said I was being ridiculous. I said he was being a narcissist if he thought two weddings were needed.

She would not relent. She started bugging me and calling me out on in our family Facebook group. I told her and my brother to leave me out of their goofy rear end wedding plans. Everyone started dogpiling me about not being there for him. I reminded them.that I was his best man at the first wedding. Nope not good enough. I had to be there for this because family. I'm the only one who would have to take a flight for the wedding. I told everyone to leave me alone and actually muted the group to avoid any further discussion.

They started calling me.

I finally just started telling everyone that I wasn't going to go unless they paid not just for this wedding but my time at the previous one. That just pissed people off.

So I told the truth. I said that the first wedding wasn't real. And that my brother was not really married. And that he was probably only getting married because our family trust excludes kids born put of wedlock. It's not a lot of money but it covers a full four year degree or provides a grant to start a business. We cannot live off the money forever or anything.

So this started a huge fight since a bunch of people had been upset about a destination wedding the first time and lots could not afford to go. They felt excluded and made fun of. And now the people who did go are pissed they blew money on a party. And don't get me started on the gifts.

So this has obviously caused a lot of stress for them. He called to yell at me for outing him. I said he was a dumbass for not just going to a justice of the peace quietly. He said his "wife" is hormonal and wants a real wedding.


I don't think I need to go see a second wedding.

AITA?

Shanghaied
Oct 12, 2004

BIG PAD

EIDE Van Hagar posted:

i did this one during the pandemic:



it’s small but you also can’t tell which side is the top or bottom.

Hey I love jigsaw puzzles as much as the next person, likely much more even, but I feel that if you're solving a 1500-piece-transparent-puzzle-with-rough-edges-and-extra-decoy-pieces then it's time to move on and do something else, you know what I mean?

I guess challenge-for-challenge's-sake just doesn't interest me. Like yeah okay you 100%ed Elden Ring or whatever using only your nipples, good for you, but you could've also played literally anything else in that time.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Shanghaied posted:

Pretty much my thoughts exactly. If they always knew that they weren't biological siblings, what is the problem exactly? That they lived together? You can't date because your parents are loving? Okay so they grew up together, so childhood friends can't date or marry either?
They've been raised together in the same household since they were little children. An inability to form a romantic relationship outside your nuclear family unit is a serious developmental issue, yes. It's categorically different from being in your teens or twenties and hitting it off with your mom's boyfriend's daughter.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

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Arsenic Lupin posted:

AITA for telling my brother I won't go to his second wedding unless he pays me and spilling the tea to everyone when that started a fight.

This is some soap opera bullshit.

mystes
May 31, 2006

Arsenic Lupin posted:

AITA for telling my brother I won't go to his second wedding unless he pays me and spilling the tea to everyone when that started a fight.
This is very refreshing after the pregnancy denial and incest ones.

mystes fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Feb 13, 2024

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I(33F) want a divorce because my husband(36M) lied to me.

quote:

We've been together for 7 years or so. We only signed our marriage certificate about a month ago, we just wanted a quick and easy wedding. We only had 2 witnesses, his mom and my mom.

The short version of the story is; he always told me he was never a one night stand or a gently caress on first night kind of person, and I mean man, he really drove that home, big loving time. Last week I posted a photo of us together in our garden and a girl I haven't spoken to since school messages me, linking me a video asking if this is him. Said video is a pornhub video and it's him eating a girl out in a club toilet stool, and it definitely is him because he has a shoulder tattoo which is pretty identifying. The resolution of this video is pretty decent so it was easy to tell it was him. It was posted around 2016, pornhub just says "8 years ago".

I'm so loving embarrassed, I can't cope with this poo poo. The way I see it, he’s not a one night stand for me but for cindy wet clit he is. He doesn't even like eating me out, but he can devour someone else in a club toilet? I feel like that’s just unfair to me. I can't deal with this; I tried to get over it but I just cannot, at all. Please, help me, I don't know what to do, I'm so embarrassed, upset, angry, I feel betrayed! I just need this to be quiet, quick, and to go away quickly. Thanks

big mean giraffe
Dec 13, 2003

Eat Shit and Die

Lipstick Apathy

Shanghaied posted:

Pretty much my thoughts exactly. If they always knew that they weren't biological siblings, what is the problem exactly? That they lived together? You can't date because your parents are loving? Okay so they grew up together, so childhood friends can't date or marry either?

Can't tell if you are actually a dumb and gross troll or someone who needs an immense amount of therapy

BAGS FLY AT NOON
Apr 6, 2011

A Soft Nylon Bag

Arsenic Lupin posted:

AITA for telling my brother I won't go to his second wedding unless he pays me and spilling the tea to everyone when that started a fight.

Did no one at the first wedding not notice the lack of invitations, dinner, drinks, etc? Did they fake the ceremony and reception?

AceClown
Sep 11, 2005

BAGS FLY AT NOON posted:

Did no one at the first wedding not notice the lack of invitations, dinner, drinks, etc? Did they fake the ceremony and reception?

I assume they had the whole thing up to even having an "official" read out some meaningless vows or something.

Guessing it's easier to do at a destination wedding under the guise of "that's just how they do it out here"

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


[20M] got a boner while in the sauna with my GF [19F] - Now she’s angry and says I disrespected her culture?

quote:

My GF is from Finland where sauna culture and nudity is way different than here in the States. She is still living with parents who are first generation immigrants and wanted a built-in sauna in their house which is cool. I had personally never tried an authentic Finnish sauna until last night and well yeah… it didn’t go that well.

I’m not used to seeing the opposite sex naked in non-sexual situations so well I got a boner while we were doing the whole sauna thing. I noticed that she wasn’t happy with it because she started getting passive aggressive but today she’s opened up avout it being really disrespectful towards her culture and that you can’t just get a boner at a spa or a mixed sauna. I’m not really sure how to navigate this because to me it doesn’t seem like that big a deal but she thinks it is.

TL;DR: We were utilizing my GF’s parents’ home sauna for the first time and I got a boner because I’m not used to seeing the opposite sex in a non-sexual setting. My GF got mad and thinks it’s a big deal but I don’t. I’m not sure how to navigate it.

clarification: it was just me and my gf in the sauna


He really shouldn't start what he can't Finnish. :v:

Shanghaied
Oct 12, 2004

BIG PAD

big mean giraffe posted:

Can't tell if you are actually a dumb and gross troll or someone who needs an immense amount of therapy

Right back at you, friend.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


DangerDongs posted:

I really feel bad for kids who are step-siblings. Imagine discovering porn in this time of age, when everything is step this and step that.
What happened to clean and good ol' days when plumbers just needed to get paid but there was no $$$ in the house.

I've heard that whole genre being so prolific is basically because it is specifically the fetish of the owner or CEO of pornhub.

Shanghaied
Oct 12, 2004

BIG PAD

AceClown posted:

I assume they had the whole thing up to even having an "official" read out some meaningless vows or something.

Guessing it's easier to do at a destination wedding under the guise of "that's just how they do it out here"

"Yeah no Jamaican priests totally just dress in the uniform of the resort staff when they are officiating weddings at resorts. Also the priest would stay to serve drinks at the reception afterwards."

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Halloween Jack posted:

I(33F) want a divorce because my husband(36M) lied to me.

How could she possibly know if the lady in the video was a one night stand?

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
Sometimes keeping your mouth shut and playing along pays real dividends

AITAH for 'tricking' my soon to be ex-wife?

quote:

I've (34M) been married to Alice (33F) for seven years now, the last 2 years have been completely dead bedroom with Alice being extremely closed off. I tried to start date nights, but she would cancel them. Tried to start couples therapy, and again, she would cancel appointments day of. I did, however, start independent therapy which has helped a lot.

Overall, she has been extremely frigid. I would get home and she would just tear me apart, judge everything from how crooked my shoes are in the shoe cubby to how salty dinner is when I cook it. And before you ask, yes, she does work. I also do the majority of the cooking(I find cooking relaxing/therapeutic).

After two years of this, I finally decided to talk to a lawyer and get my options. Alice seemed as miserable as I do, so I talked to a lawyer about how a straight down the middle split divorce would look. Basically, we would have to sell the house, each one keeps a car, and we split the equity of the house, each of us keeping our own retirement accounts. I am fine with this, and I asked the lawyer to start writing it up.

Alice in the past had some issues with her temper, so I made sure to record the conversation on my phone, just in case. Well, two months ago was when I sat her down and told her I was thinking and neither of us have been happy for a long time, we should just pull off the bandaid and get divorced.

Alice then shocked me with her first question.

"How long did you know?"

I didn't know what she thought I knew, but I played along and said since the beginning.

"You knew for half a year and didn't say anything?"

I have to say, I was very emotionally divorced from this woman already, partially thanks to a good amount of therapy, so I kept playing along. I asked why him of all people.

She then spilled her guts that 'Frank' was there for her and everyone else in the office found him charming. Frank was her boss, so now I had more. We danced around more and she handed her phone over to me defeated thinking that I already knew the worst.

I took screenshots of their conversations and forwarded to my email. Alice wasn't crying, she wasn't begging, but she did act 'sad'. She packed up a bag of stuff and left. I took the recording and the screenshots and sent them to my lawyer.

After a brief phone call with my lawyer, we decided to not go with the 'clean split', but instead I keep the house, the cars, and whatever is in the joint accounts. Papers were drafted and sent to her, which she has not contested with her thinking I had a mountain of evidence of her infidelity. Divorce is now underway, with just the clock running until the final decree.

The problem starts when my sister Sam(31F) bumped into Alice in the grocery store. I talked to Sam about the marital problems and how I wanted a clean split. I didn't, however, tell her about the adultery. Alice told her that she cheated and Sam was confused. Sam called me last night, asking if I knew Alice was cheating when I got a lawyer.

I told her, no I didn't, Alice volunteered the information when I asked for a divorce and I played along to get more info. Sam said she was disappointed in me using 'mind games' to trick Alice into agreeing to a less than even split in the divorce. Sam said it was stunts like these that are borderline 'gaslighting'.

So, I got to ask, should I have kept with the even split divorce?

Edited to add: We live in a state that allows both no fault divorce and fault divorce, and there is a prenup with a cheating clause involved. I originally sought to do a no-fault even split, basically wash our hands of this sham, get on with our lives. We're not going to try an unrealistic 90/10 either. In the end, it will be more 65/35.

She had a lawyer read and agree to the settlement, which she had signed. Like I said, now we're waiting out the clock; our state has provisions on 'cool-off periods' and poo poo. I didn't have papers ready or drafted when I talked to Alice. With how miserable she was, I figured she would want the split as well.

No idea why my sister is so hung up on the 'dishonesty' I had to 'trick' Alice.
Also, way to support your brother there sis.

Kenshin
Jan 10, 2007

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

It costs nothing to call someone a “step” relative in porn and it might sell a few extra downloads or subscriptions to people with that fetish. Totally vanilla video? Sure, it’s a stepsister, why not. Plumbers and pizza delivery dudes take props and lock you into that narrative.

Am I the only one that just straight up avoids clicking on any "step" porn at all? Like I know it's all fake but even that roleplay in porn squicks me out, even if it's just the title

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Quackles posted:

[20M] got a boner while in the sauna with my GF [19F] - Now she’s angry and says I disrespected her culture?

He really shouldn't start what he can't Finnish. :v:

Haha benis :DDDDD

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
Hey here's another stepsibling issue
AITA for marrying my husband after my mother tried to ruin my marriage by getting pregnant with my husbands dad and engaged? (Throwaway)

quote:

I was advised to put this here. I apologise it's a short version but longwinded I really need some advice or anything.

I (24f) have been with my husband (25m) for over ten years now and we have twins, we got engaged a day before we found out I was pregnant.

The issues arose on my 16th birthday when I went to live with my dad due to things like my mother pushing for me to break up with my husband because in her own words 'wanted him' & 'he was the man for her not me' because I was 'fat and ugly. I went very minimal/no contact until I found out I was pregnant as I wanted my children to have a relationship with their grandmother which would have been minimal.

This was the beginning of my nightmare, I was seven months pregnant she decided at my baby shower to declare her love for my husband and demanded he get her pregnant and I terminate because she deserved my life/children rather than me. She suggested if I didn't terminate she could adopted and play happy families with my partner.

We had no contact however I updated her my boys were born health and happy but I didn't send her a picture, life moved on until my boys 1st birthday when she turned up and ran towards what she thought was my children (they wasn't) screaming 'hi it's grandma' we informed her she had no right to be here which she left.

After a year of building trust/seeing the effort she put into changing allowed her to come to the park with myself and family case she pulled anything which progressed to things like lunches, soft plays, days out etc

A week before we were meant to be getting married my mother announced she was pregnant and then she announced who the father was and that they were engaged. A lot happened from then including our marriage and cutting them out we received a barrage of voicemails and messages and my mother demanding we spilt & give our babies up for adoption or hand them over as we are horrible and don't deserve our boys as we will be siblings and siblings shouldn't be having children and we don’t submit and she'll be ringing cps .

We've been looking at moving before the twins were born and have the opportunity to move abroad via husbands work however we've been told this is a step to far and what we've done is disgusting regarding my mother by my mothers side of the family apart from my grandmother and aunt.

AITA for getting married and moving away from the crazy train?

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

John Wick of Dogs posted:

How could she possibly know if the lady in the video was a one night stand?
Uh, excuse me, she has a name, it's Cindy Wet Clit you misogynist pig

limp_cheese
Sep 10, 2007


Nothing to see here. Move along.

Eshettar posted:

AITA for refusing to accept my sons relationship with his step-sister?

about how I didn't do this to Eliza (she's gay, and he's been comparing her and her girlfriends relationship to Nathan and Abby's)

I know there is already so much craziness in that story but this stood out to me. Good to know the husband is a homophobe too.

Shanghaied
Oct 12, 2004

BIG PAD

Halloween Jack posted:

I(33F) want a divorce because my husband(36M) lied to me.

Let me guess, his shoulder tattoo says "NO ONE NIGHT STANDS"?

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
Are you people just that horny this morning?

mystes
May 31, 2006

BAGS FLY AT NOON posted:

Did no one at the first wedding not notice the lack of invitations, dinner, drinks, etc? Did they fake the ceremony and reception?
It was probably at an all inclusive resort. In that kind of situation, I think the guests usually pay for their own rooms normally, so the only additional cost to make it a wedding that's essential is to pay for a very short ceremony, photography, and one special dinner, so I think you can easily do it with minimal cost over just having people go there without a wedding depending on the resort because the resorts are making money from having all the guests there anyway. (I think it can actually end up being way cheaper for the couple getting married than a normal wedding with the downside that it's expensive for the guests.)

I think all you would have to do to not make it a real wedding would be to not obtain a marriage license when you go back to the US since the destination wedding in another country doesn't actually count itself.

The thing is, in some sense, who gives a poo poo if whether they actually got legally married when they had the ceremony? Everyone considered them married and they could easily just get legally married now with no ceremony, so I sort of don't understand why they even feel the need to do that or be assholes about the OP not attending.

On the other hand the OP was kind a jerk for telling everyone that I think.

mystes fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Feb 13, 2024

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
OP was being hounded by the entire family for not flying out to have their real wedding after paying 3k on their fake wedding. The way to get those flying monkeys to go away is to redirect them to the true villain.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

You're quite good at turning me on.

Pope Corky the IX posted:

Are you people just that horny this morning?

I've been listening to Cbat nonstop.

mystes
May 31, 2006

Kurieg posted:

OP was being hounded by the entire family for not flying out to have their real wedding after paying 3k on their fake wedding. The way to get those flying monkeys to go away is to redirect them to the true villain.
I guess it's fair in that situation because the brother and partner caused the whole problem, but I also just don't even get why the other family members would give a poo poo in the first place if from their perspective it was just a ceremony for the brother and partner to renew their vows? I think if they were legitimately just renewing their vows it would be reasonable for someone to say "I already spent a lot of money attending your actual wedding so I can't make it this time."

limp_cheese posted:

I know there is already so much craziness in that story but this stood out to me. Good to know the husband is a homophobe too.
I mean as a sort of dumb devil's advocate argument, in theory, if you think incest is okay maybe it isn't homophobic to compare incest and same sex relationships, since the whole reason that comparison is homophobic is because incest is considered wrong?

However, the OP made another comment where it seems like in this case her husband actually is homophobic and may be upset at the lesbian daughter because he really wanted to have grandchildren that were related to both him and the OP, and may be okay with the incest because it will potentially give him those grandchildren which makes the whole thing seem even more insane

mystes fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Feb 13, 2024

Shanghaied
Oct 12, 2004

BIG PAD

mystes posted:

The thing is, in some sense, who gives a poo poo if whether they actually got legally married when they had the ceremony? Everyone considered them married and they could easily just get legally married now with no ceremony, so I sort of don't understand why they even feel the need to do that or be assholes about the OP not attending.

It's just to use social pressure to get friends and family to go on holiday with them again, because like you said, as far as everyone who's not the IRS is concerned, they're already married.

When did this whole "vow renewal" poo poo become a thing anyway?

Saint Isaias Boner
Jan 17, 2007

hi how are you

Shanghaied posted:

Pretty much my thoughts exactly. If they always knew that they weren't biological siblings, what is the problem exactly? That they lived together? You can't date because your parents are loving? Okay so they grew up together, so childhood friends can't date or marry either?

:catstare:

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Shanghaied posted:

Pretty much my thoughts exactly. If they always knew that they weren't biological siblings, what is the problem exactly? That they lived together? You can't date because your parents are loving? Okay so they grew up together, so childhood friends can't date or marry either?

I think I somehow didn’t read this carefully enough the first time so I’d like to ask what the gently caress?

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

Shanghaied posted:

When did this whole "vow renewal" poo poo become a thing anyway?

1950s.

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May 16, 2009

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mystes posted:

I guess it's fair in that situation because the brother and partner caused the whole problem, but I also just don't even get why the other family members would give a poo poo in the first place if from their perspective it was just a ceremony for the brother and partner to renew their values?

I think they only care because OP's sister-out-of-law cared. Which is where the whole thing breaks down for me; she's dead set on having a "real wedding" so she wants to have the vow renewal be as wedding-like as possible, but she doesn't think anyone's going to start wondering why they're throwing a full-on second wedding 6 years after the first one?

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