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By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


r u ready to WALK posted:

I have fond memories of my old computer janitor job when I got a ticket complaining about the network being unusably slow, while troubleshooting I suddenly noticed the network hub collision LED being lit up solid.

After unplugging connections one by one I eventually tracked it down to an office where some genius had made their own network cable by cutting and terminating two 5 meter four-wire flat telephone cables into the same rj45 plug.

Turns out twisted pair doesn’t work every well without actually twisting the pairs. :shrug:


So you were killing independent thought and the spirit of entrepreneurship is what you're saying.

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F4rt5
May 20, 2006

r u ready to WALK posted:

Turns out twisted pair doesn’t work every well without actually twisting the pairs. :shrug:
No poo poo, I had weird internet speed dropouts until I saw that the cable from the router to the fiber->ethernet splitter was a FLAT cable. Replaced it with a normal Cat6 utp and it was good. I bet they didn’t realise some customers might have power cables nearby - but a flat cable for gigabit fiber is in any case stupid :(

F4rt5
May 20, 2006

q/ne sorry

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

dobbymoodge posted:

Surely you mean 100BASE-TX? That's when it became ubiquitous. I've at least never encountered a 100BTX adapter or switch that didn't do auto MDI-X (that I know of).

(Also MDI-X just describes the station connector wiring for switches etc. The home connector wiring is MDI. Thus the need for crossover cables connecting MDI to MDI or MDI-X to MDI-X, in instances where neither adapter supports auto MDI-X.)

Sorry, I meant Auto MDI-X. And my experience with 100Mbit gear - which presumably was 100BASE-TX - was that it definitely wanted crossover cables; it didn't start magically working without them until the gbit gear came in. I don't know if that was a side effect of working with the lowest end trash in people's gaming PCs instead of enterprise gear, though?

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Beve Stuscemi posted:

When I started college the entire network was running on hubs, including the dorms, so it was to your benefit to be online when no one else was, because the more people who were on the network, the more collisions happened, and the slower everything went

also you got copies of everyone else's packets which was a lot more exciting in the days before ubiquitous encryption

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




That too, I definitely sniffed the traffic for SMB shares. Got tons of movies and music at 100mb ethernet speeds that way

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!
Since not everyone is into networking, that means you effectively had a full wiretap of every single computer on your chunk of the network. Same thing was true of public wifi back in the day, there were programs that would show you every image that was being loaded by anyone in realtime, you could snoop urls and any data being sent in either direction, and there were tools that would let you hijack session cookies to imitate someone logged in to any site they were actively using

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
At the last place I worked I kept finding Bay Networks hubs all over the goddamn place. Under desks, behind desks, behind printers, inside a hole cut out of the drywall. Everywhere!

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



Ahh, promiscuous mode ;-*

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

r u ready to WALK posted:

I have fond memories of my old computer janitor job when I got a ticket complaining about the network being unusably slow, while troubleshooting I suddenly noticed the network hub collision LED being lit up solid.

After unplugging connections one by one I eventually tracked it down to an office where some genius had made their own network cable by cutting and terminating two 5 meter four-wire flat telephone cables into the same rj45 plug.

Turns out twisted pair doesn’t work every well without actually twisting the pairs. :shrug:

I've been known to do the opposite: make custom franken-plugs for existing cat 6 wall wiring, to carry a POTS line on the brown or blue pair, while the orange and green pairs carried the 100base-T network as normal. I was a little worried about interference, particularly when a big powerful RING signal came in, but it never seemed to be a problem.

And wiring-chat is reminding me of the most pointless standards war ever: T568A vs. T568B. They're literally identical except for the color.

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

Is that a holdover from some sort of garden hose of color coded wire from the telephone days, where you could plausibly split one cable into many connections?

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

Finland has sent a memorable yet far from good song to Eurovision again, and somehow this feels like the right thread for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaIxsEPoS28

My apologies. Also beware flashing images.

an actual frog
Mar 1, 2007


HEH, HEH, HEH!

Computer viking posted:

Finland has sent a memorable yet far from good song to Eurovision again, and somehow this feels like the right thread for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaIxsEPoS28

My apologies. Also beware flashing images.
Our man says "no rules" but this absolutely does :lol::lol:

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

The live performance lacks some of the snap of the music video, but to make up for that, it's a symphony in denim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf1NS1vEhSg

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Computer viking posted:

Finland has sent a memorable yet far from good song to Eurovision again, and somehow this feels like the right thread for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaIxsEPoS28

My apologies. Also beware flashing images.

holy poo poo yes

cdc
May 28, 2007

To you, Baldrick, the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn't it?

Computer viking posted:

Finland has sent a memorable yet far from good song to Eurovision again, and somehow this feels like the right thread for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaIxsEPoS28

My apologies. Also beware flashing images.

What in the actual gently caress was that?

I stopped paying attention to Eurovision in the mid 80's, and popular music in general in the mid 90's, so I'm obviously way, way out of touch.

But what the gently caress?

edit: Do people actually enjoy listening to this?

And yes I know, old man yelling at clouds.

cdc has a new favorite as of 22:12 on Feb 13, 2024

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Admittedly, it sounds more like 1997 than 1995. But yeah, popular music in Europe was like this at the time and a lot of Eurovision is back to leaning on that heritage now that the dubstep fad is mostly over.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



Computer viking posted:

The live performance lacks some of the snap of the music video, but to make up for that, it's a symphony in denim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf1NS1vEhSg
I'm gonna need Finland to win Eurovision, this year.

cdc posted:

What in the actual gently caress was that?

I stopped paying attention to Eurovision in the mid 80's, and popular music in general in the mid 90's, so I'm obviously way, way out of touch.

But what the gently caress?

edit: Do people actually enjoy listening to this?

And yes I know, old man yelling at clouds.
Why are you mad at someone living their best life?
It's very authentic eurodance.

Also, here's the official music video, and it's even better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaIxsEPoS28

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!

cdc posted:

What in the actual gently caress was that?

I stopped paying attention to Eurovision in the mid 80's, and popular music in general in the mid 90's, so I'm obviously way, way out of touch.

But what the gently caress?

edit: Do people actually enjoy listening to this?

And yes I know, old man yelling at clouds.

I mean, I'm not listening to it again but if you can't find joy in that madness then you might be dead.

cdc
May 28, 2007

To you, Baldrick, the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn't it?

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

Why are you mad at someone living their best life?

I'm not mad, just really confused.

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

It's very authentic eurodance.

That might the problem. Eurodance in the 90's was the primary reason I turned off my radio back then and never looked back.

cdc
May 28, 2007

To you, Baldrick, the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn't it?

Gromit posted:

I mean, I'm not listening to it again but if you can't find joy in that madness then you might be dead.

Guess I am. I'll slink away and go back to my usual diet of jazz, prog rock and doom metal.

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

Take 1 tablet by mouth daily.
In 2001?ish I worked at Best Buy and every 3? months they would get in new cds of store music to push whatever they wanted to sell and the cds were always 5 repeating tracks and I got to hear this like 20 times a day for months. It haunts me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXnpsBBBMo4

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
I worked at an "educational" store and there were three big screen TVs at the back that blasted an assortment of Nineties Disney films all day. I've never actually watched any of those movies but the songs are burned into my brain.

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

Take 1 tablet by mouth daily.

Dick Trauma posted:

I worked at an "educational" store and there were three big screen TVs at the back that blasted an assortment of Nineties Disney films all day. I've never actually watched any of those movies but the songs are burned into my brain.

My sisters did this to me with the Rent soundtrack.

wa27
Jan 15, 2007

Computer viking posted:

The live performance lacks some of the snap of the music video, but to make up for that, it's a symphony in denim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf1NS1vEhSg

Did they seriously censor this man Austin Powers-style during a live performance using smoke, dancers, a clipboard, and audience member heads??

Horsebanger
Jun 25, 2009

Steering wheel! Hey! Steering wheel! Someone tell him to give it to me!
With the networking chat at the top of the page, a fellow network engineer of mine did a conceptual ISP entirely hosted on the cheapest cloud compute infrastructure he could. He did a NOG talk about it, and his final slide was details to connect to it via dial up

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




an actual frog posted:

Our man says "no rules" but this absolutely does :lol::lol:

no, rules!

fondue
Jul 14, 2002

SubG posted:

They must've been SGIs, because fsn was an IRIX-only thing, and there wasn't a SPARC version of IRIX.

I'm sure they were, that was thirty years ago and the memory is hazy.

EVIL Gibson posted:

Does anyone remember the time Ethernet just suddenly got better with cables?

Speaking of networking ... my first corporate job was at a two hundred person office that used token ring as their network. Every other day a network loop would go down and I'd be sent to find out who unplugged their computer from the network. They used LANtastic to connect their computers together over it, which actually worked pretty well.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

wa27 posted:

Did they seriously censor this man Austin Powers-style during a live performance using smoke, dancers, a clipboard, and audience member heads??



They did for the camera shots but if you look closely you can see he’s wearing very tiny skin-coloured shorts, he wasn’t actually naked. It’s a good effect for sure.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Beve Stuscemi posted:

Speaking of ROM chips, what is the easy way to dump things like BIOS chips and things like the above mentioned PROM? Ideally I'm looking for some manner of USB device that can dump the contents of chips out to a modern computer

I've recently come to discover that I might have a few ROM chips and the like that just arent dumped in the wild.

Chip-wise, things like this:



The EPROM is either a 27c128 or 27c156


Make your own programmer:
https://github.com/walhi/arduino_eprom27_programmer

Desert Bus posted:

Paging Humphreys

I've been busy dumping and preserving some other devices lately.

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses
Can a 20 year old PDA with a built-in GPS still navigate the world? Some say no, but I say yes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGIbuIbzXWQ

Garmin really wanted to put a GPS into anything back in the early aughts. Tried really hard to see if the NavTalk phone beat the Benefon Esc! to market but all the results were inconclusive.

kefkafloyd has a new favorite as of 16:58 on Feb 14, 2024

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Recapped my SE/30 last night and the sound works on it for the first time in like 5 years

https://i.imgur.com/8ZDQf83.mp4

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001





I’ll check this out. Thanks!

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe
Truly, this page is enough for everybody.

I do not miss the time on configuring autoexec.bat and command.com and especially not when there's no way in 1994 to figure out how this .batshit insanity works in the first place. My only source of configs were friends and I have no idea how they got theirs either.

snorch
Jul 27, 2009
Throwback to when I was lauded a boy wonder computer genius for “fixing” our neighbour’s “broken” laptop by typing “win” in the command prompt. I feel like if i’d known about autoexec.bat I probably would’ve been handed an honorary computer science degree and a lead job at Microsoft.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



Laserjet 4P posted:

I do not miss the time on configuring autoexec.bat and command.com and especially not when there's no way in 1994 to figure out how this .batshit insanity works in the first place. My only source of configs were friends and I have no idea how they got theirs either.

Memmaker and other tools was a help for sure. Having 5MB RAM over the regular 4 definitely was some nice breathing room and gave enough of a boost to sometimes run 8MB minimum games.

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA

Laserjet 4P posted:

I do not miss the time on configuring autoexec.bat and command.com and especially not when there's no way in 1994 to figure out how this .batshit insanity works in the first place. My only source of configs were friends and I have no idea how they got theirs either.
Certainly there was a lot of trial and error, but every so often if I recall correctly a game would literally either come with suggestions to changing them or have a program that changed them for you (thinking of Ultima VII) and that would always give me new ideas of what to try on my own to make things work better.

And these skills would degrade quickly from lack of use, as I seem to recall when trying to figure out how I ever got both my mouse and CD-ROM drivers loaded at the same time without having too little memory free to run basically anything else

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Beve Stuscemi posted:

Recapped my SE/30 last night and the sound works on it for the first time in like 5 years

https://i.imgur.com/8ZDQf83.mp4

All these years later and eep still makes me laugh. I don't why. I miss the little whimsical touches of the original Macs and OS.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

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Qwijib0
Apr 10, 2007

Who needs on-field skills when you can dance like this?

Fun Shoe
Incredible universe?

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