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Rascyc posted:Yeah ofc, it's just a game with a lot of valid problems but it's not like it's a total turd. If you're into the idea of fusing into a powerful being then you can probably enjoy the game on that alone. It still has the core of a Tales game with skits, music, the power of friendship, etc the equipment system is a crime agaisnt humanity
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Hellioning posted:Does anyone like Zestiria? Like, people like Sorey and Mikleo, but does anyone like the game itself? didn't enjoy the battle system much, but I was entertained by the story and characters. Somehow loved Berseria...even though it was just spamming the same attacks over and over the same. edit: oh yea, the equipment system was rear end
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babypolis posted:the equipment system is a crime agaisnt humanity
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i think everyone wants the graces title system back tbh
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Feb 13, 2024 21:28
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Zesteria is a total turd. What good ideas it has it squanders hard as possible.
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Yeah the Grace Title System owned.
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Feb 13, 2024 21:30
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Arise's title system was such a cocktease.
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Zestiria has genuine issues but also I loved it despite that. And I have found other people who really liked it. There are double digits of us.
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Alisha and Rose is a treasure
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Endorph posted:as for 'good tales games' the issue is everyone has different opinions because to some people symphonia is a beloved jrpg classic and to some people its one of the worst modern tales games Even calling it modern is generous as hell as it's stylistically and narratively 90s standard anime jrpg as gently caress for a game released in 2003. Like, drat I get the whole "played 200+hrs of this game when a child" nostalgia but play that loving scene between Llyod and Colette where he goes "It's hot, no it's cold, no I lied again it's hot" and make them defend it If they say they just loved the combat, that's one thing, because Grandia 2 is one of my all time favorites but 80% of that is how much fun the combat system is and I can freely admit it's not a very good game overall by the jrpg standards of that era.
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If someone held a gun to my head, I would rather play Zesteria than Arise. Zesteria was largely a boring game whereas Arise just kept making me madder and madder the more I played it. Edit: It really gets my goat that FF16 got dragged over how it handled it's magical slavery and Arise did not. Failboattootoot fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Feb 13, 2024 |
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what's wrong with hot/cold coffee scene is it like how people make fun of the Titus laughing scene when it makes sense in context anyway
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pentyne posted:Even calling it modern is generous as hell as it's stylistically and narratively 90s standard anime jrpg as gently caress for a game released in 2003. Okay, I'm going to bite and ask "what is wrong with the coffee scene." Like the entire point of the scene is that he's catching her in a lie based off her losing sensation. It's not the overall top tier writing or anything but I don't get why you'd hold it up as the worst thing ever.
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Failboattootoot posted:If someone held a gun to my head, I would rather play Zesteria than Arise. Zesteria was largely a boring game whereas Arise just kept making me madder and madder the more I played it. i comfort myself by knowing it wasn't a Tales game in the beginning and they just decided to repurpose it a bit to make it a Tales game. Its adopted.
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It's the ideal illustration of Lloyd's and Colette's entire early relationship being based on her not trusting him and him barreling over boundaries as a result, which only gets resolved when everyone agrees Lloyd was a badass actually and unrelatedly she stops having independent thoughts anyway.
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Caphi posted:It's the ideal illustration of Lloyd's and Colette's entire early relationship being based on her not trusting him and him barreling over boundaries as a result, which only gets resolved when everyone agrees Lloyd was a badass actually and unrelatedly she stops having independent thoughts anyway. I don't really think that's a particularly fair read of that particular scene. Like he calls her out on a lie about the negative impact their quest is having on her, and I don't think it's pretty reasonable to go "well he should just mind his own business and shut up." Like it is like saying Tidus is wrong for calling out the lovely parts of Yevon in FFX. (Which isn't a surprise since Symphonia is just Not As Good FFX in terms of plot.)
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pentyne posted:Like, drat I get the whole "played 200+hrs of this game when a child" nostalgia but play that loving scene between Llyod and Colette where he goes "It's hot, no it's cold, no I lied again it's hot" and make them defend it
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ImpAtom posted:I don't really think that's a particularly fair read of that particular scene. Like he calls her out on a lie about the negative impact their quest is having on her, and I don't think it's pretty reasonable to go "well he should just mind his own business and shut up." Like it is like saying Tidus is wrong for calling out the lovely parts of Yevon in FFX. (Which isn't a surprise since Symphonia is just Not As Good FFX in terms of plot.) its a subtle difference but it has a huge effect on how things come across
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What are the good pick ups for the RPG Maker sale or RPG maker games in general?
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Rascyc posted:Yeah ofc, it's just a game with a lot of valid problems but it's not like it's a total turd. If you're into the idea of fusing into a powerful being then you can probably enjoy the game on that alone. It still has the core of a Tales game with skits, music, the power of friendship, etc For all of it's issues at least it never got it's mainline status revoked.
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fez_machine posted:What are the good pick ups for the RPG Maker sale or RPG maker games in general?
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fez_machine posted:What are the good pick ups for the RPG Maker sale or RPG maker games in general? A license of MV is cool because it’s all built with JavaScript and if you know a little JavaScript it’s easy to poke at. It crashes a lot though even if you don’t mess with that stuff so save often.
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fez_machine posted:What are the good pick ups for the RPG Maker sale or RPG maker games in general? last profit is neat, soulestination is even cheaper than it normally is
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Endorph posted:the main difference is that when tidus calls out the lovely parts of yevon hes talking to yuna about them and mad for her sake and think its unjust while lloyd is written in a way where he comes off more petulant, like his issue is that he specifically doesnt want this I guess I'm not seeing the huge difference between that scene and, like, when Tidus finds out about Yuna sacrificing herself and basically flips out on the rest of the cast for not telling him. (I think Tidus and Yuna overall are better handled but the coffee scene in particular I think is probably one of the few good scenes Lloyd and Colette have.)
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TheMightyBoops posted:A license of MV is cool because it’s all built with JavaScript and if you know a little JavaScript it’s easy to poke at. There is nothing cool about JavaScript
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fez_machine posted:What are the good pick ups for the RPG Maker sale or RPG maker games in general? I second Exit Fate because like... it's a real RPG, it's free, and it's even a Suikodenlike with a decent plot (that cribs heavily from Suikoden2 and a little from Xenogears). Will probably never be sold for money since all the music is taken from other JRPGs. If you want some weirder graphics and plotting, Weird and Unfortunate Things Are Happening is a horror RPG in the Earthbound vein of things (as opposed to, a horror walking sim made in RPGmaker). It's also free and very high quality for that price!
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yea final profit is neat, and so is the lost art of innkeeping, tho neither are conventional RPGs in the slightest also it's not on sale but Hylics is only $3
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ImpAtom posted:I guess I'm not seeing the huge difference between that scene and, like, when Tidus finds out about Yuna sacrificing herself and basically flips out on the rest of the cast for not telling him. (I think Tidus and Yuna overall are better handled but the coffee scene in particular I think is probably one of the few good scenes Lloyd and Colette have.)
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itd be fine for lloyd to come across more egocentric if there was more of a push and pull to his and colette's relationship and they do have colette come across more actively deceptive towards lloyd than yuna was, but then you get to tethe'alla and colette becomes a literal prop
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Endorph posted:oh its nto that coffee scene specifically im talkign their dynamic as a whole. like i said the coffee scene is one of the better scenes in symphonia Oh, yeah, then I 100% agree with you as a whole. Lloyd is way more of a poo poo than Tidus overall and Collette is barely a character after the first half or so.
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No Dignity posted:Thinking about that old book barn post where the guy was saying fantasy wasn't mature enough and then leapt straight to torture and casual BDSM in society as examples of what maturity in a story would be You sure they weren't just referring to the pudding scene in Gravity's Rainbow?
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yeah the coffee scene i don't really like but that's not so much for the scene itself as for how the ultimate dynamic in symphonia is really one sided
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Failboattootoot posted:I liked it a lot, it definitely like a budget atelier game. It was a breezy game with an easy combat system and a straightforward plot but a fair bit of charm. What specifically are you worried about? I like the idea of a breezy game, but so far, this hasn't really introduced a compelling cast. One nice thing about the Atelier games I've played (Ryza 1 and 2) is that they're pretty quick to introduce you to a lot of NPCs, whereas so far in this game, I have only met Mean Bird, Silent Troll Giant, and Soldier Who Sucks. I think if the game had a promise of compelling gameplay this wouldn't matter so much, but a lot of the steam reviews talk about combat being trivial, which has me worried I just won't find much to enjoy in this game - if the story is bad and the combat is dull, there's not much left.
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abraham linksys posted:I like the idea of a breezy game, but so far, this hasn't really introduced a compelling cast. One nice thing about the Atelier games I've played (Ryza 1 and 2) is that they're pretty quick to introduce you to a lot of NPCs, whereas so far in this game, I have only met Mean Bird, Silent Troll Giant, and Soldier Who Sucks. Ah ok. So the combat starts off a little too easy and quickly descends into completely trivial. The main story itself was good but I am automatically on board for any game where the plot goal is kill the pope so I can't deny my bias' here. It moved at a good pace and the moments that were supposed to hit mostly did. The cast definitely starts weak, for the first few hours I didn't care for anybody. But I really came around on Pieberry and mean bird and ended up liking both of them. They introduce some better characters, but the character writing on the whole is just kinda fine. So if you really need great character writing, you may bounce off this game. Kinda hard to say though as I usually care more about character writing than plot and I still liked it so your mileage may vary.
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The coffee scene was excellent and the last good scene Colette had.
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I thought it was weird that Symphonia started with Collette being chosen as the hero to save the world and then she wasn't the main character, Lloyd is. Also I assume it's counted as a modern Tales game because even though it's still linear combat, it is also 3D I guess.
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I mean Collette getting her personality removed is a Bad Thing, it's a Goal of the Villains, it's not supposed to be good
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fez_machine posted:What are the good pick ups for the RPG Maker sale or RPG maker games in general? very personally speaking, VX Ace is still my favorite, I very much dislike the newer web-based ones. they reek of chromium embedded jank. that said VX Ace has limitations, like it can only get up to 640x480 resolution unless you do something wild like program an entirely new game executable for it or something. XP is a perfectly good tool and it's the free one so it's definitely worth just getting for your steam library, but it does run an older version of the RGSS and it's noticeably slower when comparing heavily scripted games.
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RareAcumen posted:I thought it was weird that Symphonia started with Collette being chosen as the hero to save the world and then she wasn't the main character, Lloyd is. Honestly "the lady is the chosen important one with the legendary powers and destiny but she ain't the main character" was an extremely common thing for a good long while. Junpei posted:I mean Collette getting her personality removed is a Bad Thing, it's a Goal of the Villains, it's not supposed to be good I think there's a difference between the villain's plot (bad) and what the game does (does not give Colette focus, agency, character growth or even really many scenes, especially if Lloyd's friendship meter goes for someone else) poo poo, Zelos gets more than she does.
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Failboattootoot posted:Ah ok. So the combat starts off a little too easy and quickly descends into completely trivial. Gotcha. I think I'll refund it for now since $30 is a bit steep for a game I can see myself abandoning in a few more hours, but I might give it another go if it goes on sale, or if they release the Hard Mode mentioned in their most recent news update. Still on the hunt for some kind of grinding podcast game, just want one with a bit more going on... kind of a tricky thing to find, since so many games fall on one end of the difficulty extreme or the other. Like, a dungeon crawler like Etrian Odyssey seems cool conceptually, but way harder than what I want in practice. I'm pretty overloaded with story-heavy games right now (LAD:IW, Ace Attorney, some day I'm going to start on Live A Live in earnest...), so really want an RPG that provides a grind with engaging mechanics. Maybe one of the FF Pixel Remasters or a Dragon Quest makes sense...
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